Difference between Kiffin and Dooley

#26
#26
kptvol said:
Simms, Bray, Jawuan James, Zach Fulton, Marsalis Teague, Janzen Jackson, Channing Fugate, Michael Palardy and Corey Smith were all 100% Kiffin. The big names Dooley signed (Stone, Hunter, Da'Rick) were guys he could not have gotten in two weeks without Kiffin having done so much leg work. That's no knock on Dooley, it's just the hand he was dealt taking the job at such a bad time. Fortunately, he appears to have a pretty solid class lined up that will hopefully fill the holes Kiffin did not address with his two half classes.
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eff the po po
 
#27
#27
utgibbs said:
I understand if y'all got high after the game, and after a solid first season with Dooley, but Kiffin left the program better than he found it?

Kiffin had more to do with anybody with the last two classes, and the contributors are Dooley / Fulmer recruits. Kiffin and Hambone nuked the program.
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Kiffin killed us for this year and even 2011, but if we happen to win the SEC in 2012 or 2013, we're almost certainly going to have to give Kiffin at least a little credit, even if we still hate him.
 
#29
#29
kptvol said:
This statement is a lie and you should be banned for posting it over and over.

Simms, Bray, Jawuan James, Zach Fulton, Marsalis Teague, Janzen Jackson, Channing Fugate, Michael Palardy and Corey Miller were all 100% Kiffin. The big names Dooley signed (Stone, Hunter, Da'Rick) were guys he could not have gotten in two weeks without Kiffin having done so much leg work. That's no knock on Dooley, it's just the hand he was dealt taking the job at such a bad time. Fortunately, he appears to have a pretty solid class lined up that will hopefully fill the holes Kiffin did not address with his two half classes.
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Stone and Hunter have both said they would be at other schools if Kiffin was the coach. And I dont think Kiffin did much to 'get us in the door' with Da'Rick. All the progress made with him was done by Dooley. But yes we got some very talented players under Kiffin. There is no doubt he can recruit.
 
#30
#30
milohimself said:
As much crap as Kiffin gets, he left us some great players.

I'm not so sure I disagree with him anymore when he said he left the program in better shape than he found it.
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To a degree. Hard to give a guy much credit for one year.

The way he and his staff recruited we could have been back up talent wise in 2 or 3 years, and if he left then, it would be totally different. He brought in some good players, but "the program is better now, than before I got here"

Id call it a push at best.
 
#31
#31
therickbol said:
Stone and Hunter have both said they would be at other schools if Kiffin was the coach. And I dont think Kiffin did much to 'get us in the door' with Da'Rick. All the progress made with him was done by Dooley. But yes we got some very talented players under Kiffin. There is no doubt he can recruit.
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Visit for Da'Rick and Nash Nance was set up by Ed Orgeron. Package deal for Nance/Rogers was also set up by previous regime. Hunter committed directly to Willie Mack Garza, Kiffin's DB coach. He is reported to have committed to UT's track coach prior to that. I don't think he ever said Kiffin would keep him away from UT, just that he really liked Dooley. I don't think we'd have gotten Stone (or that he was really our top choice to round out the OL class) but he consistently said his top two were UT and Bama.

And I never said Dooley couldn't recruit, just that it's unrealistic to think he just walked into Knoxville and all these 4 and 5 stars flooded in with him in that amount of time.
 
#32
#32
Tux said:
Kiffin was the acid wash to clean up the Fulmer funk residue. Dooley is the new paint on the walls at UT. Both were badly needed and played their respective roles in getting this program turned around.
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Truer words were never spoken and anyone with any common sense knows this is spot on. Well said :thumbsup:
 
#34
#34
Volsaholic said:
Kiffin is a salesman, Dooley is a coach, I'm not sure what else needs to be said.
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Your post reeks of excellence.

For my perspective, Kiffin gave'th, and he took'th away. What gains he made in recruiting, he lost ground in class, honor, and ditched UT in the dark of night while leaving a black NCAA cloud over the program. For this, I can't agree that he left the program better than he found it.
 
#35
#35
Regulator said:
Your post reeks of excellence.

For my perspective, Kiffin gave'th, and he took'th away. What gains he made in recruiting, he lost ground in class, honor, and ditched UT in the dark of night while leaving a black NCAA cloud over the program. For this, I can't agree that he left the program better than he found it.
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Well said.

Men with dignity and class don't sneak out of town 12 days before signing day. And doing so after 13 months doesn't leave a program in better shape than when you found it, especially when you are frighteningly thin and lose 6 to the NFL.
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#36
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utgibbs said:
I understand if y'all got high after the game, and after a solid first season with Dooley, but Kiffin left the program better than he found it?

Kiffin had more to do with anybody with the last two classes, and the contributors are Dooley / Fulmer recruits. Kiffin and Hambone nuked the program.
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Wonder who's going to take the troll's bait on this one...
 
#38
#38
Most of the players who came or were here for our last coach left too. Not much anyone can do or say to make me believe we were better off the day after he left than we were the day before he got here. Yes, he signed some recruits as any other coach in the country would have. He signed some big names. We lost some of those that came for him(NR, ME, BB). Take away what we lost and see where his recruiting class ranking would be. Many of the others signed to play for UT though and might have ended up here anyway. He created even more instability than was here when he arrived. The only way we ended up better off was nothing he had anything to do with. Because of him running around acting like a punk for a bit over a year, we ended up hiring someone that was the exact opposite of him, which IMHO, is going to work out for us better than any of us could have imagined the minute we heard that our new coach was CDD.
 
#40
#40
Regulator said:
Your post reeks of excellence.

For my perspective, Kiffin gave'th, and he took'th away. What gains he made in recruiting, he lost ground in class, honor, and ditched UT in the dark of night while leaving a black NCAA cloud over the program. For this, I can't agree that he left the program better than he found it.
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IMO the recruits we gained were not at all worth the hit we took on all other fronts...Tradition, pride, discipline and so many other things that Kitten neglected are the very things that CDD has brought back to this program...Anybody can say "he left UT in better shape than when he got here" but in reality it is all a matter of perspective....My perspective says no he didn't......
 
#41
#41
SGMVols said:
You know Dooley did the same thing to Louisiana Tech, right?
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Ironic that you point that out. I work with some La Tech boosters and alums. Dooley was there for several years, long enough to do some great things in their athletic department. They knew Ruston was an interim destination.

So not really much of a comparison but nice try.
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#42
#42
Kiffin is 7-5* at USC where he has better talent than almost every opponent.

Dooley is 6-6 with a team that has less experience, depth, and talent than most opponents. It's hard to believe less than a year later I am saying we are better off without X.

*3-point win over Virginia and 1-point win over ASU
 
#43
#43
kptvol said:
This statement is a lie and you should be banned for posting it over and over.

Simms, Bray, Jawuan James, Zach Fulton, Marsalis Teague, Janzen Jackson, Channing Fugate, Michael Palardy and Corey Miller were all 100% Kiffin. The big names Dooley signed (Stone, Hunter, Da'Rick) were guys he could not have gotten in two weeks without Kiffin having done so much leg work. That's no knock on Dooley, it's just the hand he was dealt taking the job at such a bad time. Fortunately, he appears to have a pretty solid class lined up that will hopefully fill the holes Kiffin did not address with his two half classes.
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Your wrong on some of those names brosef but nice try.
 
#45
#45
Where would Tennessee be without Kiffin's one year of excellence in the world of recruiting and coaching for that matter?

What a load, the guy puts the screws to UT and yet some of you still want to give him credit for the season we are having.

Everyone gives him credit for Bray but nobody is mentiong that fact that he signed Simms too, or that he let Boyd go.

C'mon guys, you're smarter than this.
 
#47
#47
SGMVols said:
You know Dooley did the same thing to Louisiana Tech, right?
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Wow. The jilted prom date still defending "her man"... who woulda guessed it when they saw the title of this thread?
 
#48
#48
SGMVols said:
There's no doubt he did. Take away Bray, James, Fulton, Jackson, Teague, Gordon, et al, and we're really hurting.
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Bray is here due to Chaney... James and Fulton could've left if they wanted to.
 
#49
#49
SGMVols said:
Dooley didn't bolt Ruston less than 2 weeks from NSD?
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If he didn't bolt Ruston and turned down the Tennessee job then La Tech should fire him for being insane... Kiffy poo's leaving was just plain douchebaggery.
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#50
#50
Not really... A job he valued more than Tennessee came open and reached out to him, and he took it.

If you're a good salesperson for a company, and another company offering better pay and better opportunities reached out to you, you'd take it. It would hurt your old company, but you're doing what's best for you.

That's what Kiffin did, and so would the vast majority of posters here in his position.
 
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