Did Bailey intentionally screw over his "mates"?

[sjt18]

No he doesnt owe UT a thing.... He stuck here after Pruitt for the year.

Yeah. He does. UT gave him a scholarship and a chance. He's using the portal rule to leave. That's fine. He doesn't "owe" UT not to do that. But he DOES owe them not to screw the program and "his mates" over.

They never had serious intention to play Bailey.

Proof? It was an open competition in the spring. Heupel wanted 4 QB's and lost Salter. He wanted a more competitive room with 4 QB's.

That's why they went out and hot Milton.

The best QB has proven to have already been in the room... and it just as easily could have been Bailey had he earned it by being the best passer and decision maker.

They had 3 qbs and didn't like any of them.

Based on? They obviously like Hooker well enough to stick him in when Milton got hurt then stay with him. They recruited Maurer and liked his athletic ability. They "liked" Bailey enough to give him an equal share of the #1 reps through spring to let him earn the job if he could.

You wanna be pissed off ? Be pissed we wasted a spot on Milton.

Who said I was? You are evading by trying to make this about me. I proposed a possibility. So far you guys are convincing me it is the most likely possibility by NOT giving a better alternative.

I have no qualms with him leaving. That's his privilege under the rules. In 6 weeks, there will be a whole bunch of QB's out in the portal as possible replacements.

The question you don't want to face is why now instead of at the end of the semester when his "mates" can take advantage of the new portal replacement rule?

 

[sjt18]

FTR, I would have said the same about Maurer had the rule been in place when he left. His decision to leave when he did was mostly stupid for him.

 

[Sara Clark]

Since Bailey is in the portal, the only thought that's crossed my mind is hoping he finds success wherever he ends up. I have nothing more to add......

 

[BigALWiLson]

He was already past the line of scrimmage so he couldn’t throw it

Thats because he doesnt know wtf hes doing lol

 

[GAVol]

Since Bailey is in the portal, the only thought that's crossed my mind is hoping he finds success wherever he ends up. I have nothing more to add......

Most people agree with you. Not much point in analyzing it beyond that.

 

[GAVol]

Well, yeah you are. You are working overtime to not face a real possibility to explain the timing of his transfer. In fact, you haven't proposed a reasonable alternate explanation for the timing. I get leaving. But it costs him nothing to stay on the roster until the end of the season.

It's not up to me to propose any sort of explanation. Just because you post a theory, it doesn't make it incumbent on eveerybody else to refute it, no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

I get what you are saying about the timing. Both Maurer and Bailey's entrance into the portal had weird timing, but I think that's just the world we're in now. Some guys buried in the depth chart like Maurer, Bailey and Peterson are going to just walk away and look at their options; especially after a coaching change.

 

[BigALWiLson]

Yeah. He does. UT gave him a scholarship and a chance. He's using the portal rule to leave. That's fine. He doesn't "owe" UT not to do that. But he DOES owe them not to screw the program and "his mates" over.

Proof? It was an open competition in the spring. Heupel wanted 4 QB's and lost Salter. He wanted a more competitive room with 4 QB's.

The best QB has proven to have already been in the room... and it just as easily could have been Bailey had he earned it by being the best passer and decision maker.

Based on? They obviously like Hooker well enough to stick him in when Milton got hurt then stay with him. They recruited Maurer and liked his athletic ability. They "liked" Bailey enough to give him an equal share of the #1 reps through spring to let him earn the job if he could.


Who said I was? You are evading by trying to make this about me. I proposed a possibility. So far you guys are convincing me it is the most likely possibility by NOT giving a better alternative.

I have no qualms with him leaving. That's his privilege under the rules. In 6 weeks, there will be a whole bunch of QB's out in the portal as possible replacements.

The question you don't want to face is why now instead of at the end of the semester when his "mates" can take advantage of the new portal replacement rule?

And im countering your list of possibilities with more what if's... you believe whatever you like. You have that right and im certainly not trying to change your mind. But when you open up all possibilities we really dont know how or what happened. Your asking me to provide proof of one thing without there actually being proof of the other. Hooker is playing because Milton got injured. He performed better. Without said injury Milton was Heupel's guy but Hooker played noticeably better forcing Heupel's hand. If he sticks Milton back in and he sh1ts the bed he takes the chance of losing fans and players. So please my opinion of Heupel is solid. But he picked the wrong guy and you know it. All coaches make mistakes but they do miss on evaluations just like anyone else. So I don't feel like there isn't a chance that guys like Maurer and Bailey could be much better qbs than say Milton. There for if that guy is getting reps because he was hand picked.... Size, frame , arm strength come to mind. Lol you know what this isnt worth my time honestly. Bailey did what he felt he needed to do for him. Is what it is

 

[BLUTickbusdriver]

I’m actually curious as to what took so long…once Milton started when Milton couldn’t throw it in the ocean if he were standing on the beach. Like Maurer, I thought Bailey would leave then. Instead, he went half way into the season waiting his turn with no serious change. So, he left…no ill intent…just looking for a place he can play I’d imagine.

 

[Volsfannn]

He will be a great qb at another school. I always thought he didn't get a fair shot here

 

[LWSVOL]

By leaving when he did, he assured that UT could not use the new portal replacement rule to fill his spot. He obviously knows this.

he is thinking about his college football future the next few years, not the next few weeks. this allows him to start talking with other programs ahead of the December onslaught of entries into the portal.

 

[a vol n tears]

He owes the guys around him a 2nd string qb should HH or JB get injured. He definitely owes them that.


And what really chaps my ass is that if this had been JM quitting his teammates right now. The exact same excuse makers would be openly hating on him for it.

According to many on here, he isn’t any good anyway. To them there probably isn’t much different talent wise than the 3rd or 4th string guy. If he was a good teammate and good guy, his teammates understand. In college they see the “business” side of things.

 

[Vol777]

I don't think Harrison Bailey is focused on the program, whether to hurt it or otherwise.

I think he is focused on pursuing his own best interests. And for whatever reason, he has concluded that a move through the portal at this point in time is the best thing for him.

Let's not give a young man nefarious purpose without clear evidence of it.

ne·far·i·ous
/nəˈferēəs/
adjective
(typically of an action or activity) wicked or criminal.

There you go guys.. you're welcome.

 

[ptgrbn]

So to be perfectly clear on your position, he was given a chance throughout spring and August to win the job and didn't... and you are OK with the idea that he left in a way that assures UT cannot replace him?

So you are a Bailey fan and NOT a Vol fan, right?

Would you stay at a job you disliked or felt unappreciated? If you did you’re either desperate or an idiot. Employers don’t get a say in when an employee leaves a job. As far as I am concerned, he conducted himself honorably. If you don’t like how he plans to leave, that’s a you problem.

 

[ptgrbn]

On what do you base this assertion?[/QUOTE
They had film on him from last year, watched him in practice, watched him in the spring game. Why would you deny a kid the opportunity to look out for his own best interest?

 

[butchna]

So to be perfectly clear on your position, he was given a chance throughout spring and August to win the job and didn't... and you are OK with the idea that he left in a way that assures UT cannot replace him?

So you are a Bailey fan and NOT a Vol fan, right?

I’m 100% a Vol fan and have proven it countless times over a 40 year span. I initially felt exactly the same as you but now understand why he shouldn’t have to wait until December 9. Hope I don’t lose a star.

 

[ptgrbn]

I think it’s the other way around. The coaches gave him the opportunity in practice to win his playing time. Two different staffs

Potato-Tomato

 

[butchna]

Would you stay at a job you disliked or felt unappreciated? If you did you’re either desperate or an idiot. Employers don’t get a say in when an employee leaves a job. As far as I am concerned, he conducted himself honorably. If you don’t like how he plans to leave, that’s a you problem.

Using jobs as an analogy for competitive sports has always fallen short imo. From “they have a right to make a living” to actually selling their work stoppages as comparable to factory workers demanding better working conditions. To me, he’ll need more than a couple of weeks to get the whole enrollment at a new stop process as well as team schedules. He didn’t create this new loophole and shouldn’t be bound by it.

 

[a vol n tears]

So far I have read three long threads about this and they are fairly identical. Most every post seems to think Bailey made this decision in a vacuum. Does any reasonable person not believe there were not conversations with coaches, including the head coach, and teammates prior to making something public.. Knowing (not personally) Baileys desire to come to TN and play here I find it hard to believe that if CH had asked him to stay with probable playing time in the future that he would be leaving. I thank the young man for his efforts and wish him a great future in football and life.

Exactly. I think CJH is a player’s coach who wants the best for his players. Don’t know for sure but confident HB had talks with Heupel about his options and this was probably the best option. Now the next guy up, will get the reps Bailey was getting. That guy will probably be here next season, Bailey wasn’t gonna be here.
Question. Is the portal replacement rule stating the date as “when you enter the portal, or when you leave the program”. Lots of players enter the portal to test the waters, but don’t leave their current program. If replacement is just based on entering your name, why wouldn’t a program like TN, low on players, just have 7 guys enter their name, let TN add 7 new guys, then they just stay with the program.

 

[butchna]

Yeah. He does. UT gave him a scholarship and a chance. He's using the portal rule to leave. That's fine. He doesn't "owe" UT not to do that. But he DOES owe them not to screw the program and "his mates" over.

Proof? It was an open competition in the spring. Heupel wanted 4 QB's and lost Salter. He wanted a more competitive room with 4 QB's.

The best QB has proven to have already been in the room... and it just as easily could have been Bailey had he earned it by being the best passer and decision maker.

Based on? They obviously like Hooker well enough to stick him in when Milton got hurt then stay with him. They recruited Maurer and liked his athletic ability. They "liked" Bailey enough to give him an equal share of the #1 reps through spring to let him earn the job if he could.


Who said I was? You are evading by trying to make this about me. I proposed a possibility. So far you guys are convincing me it is the most likely possibility by NOT giving a better alternative.

I have no qualms with him leaving. That's his privilege under the rules. In 6 weeks, there will be a whole bunch of QB's out in the portal as possible replacements.

The question you don't want to face is why now instead of at the end of the semester when his "mates" can take advantage of the new portal replacement rule?

Other than us not getting the spot in the class how are we getting “screwed”? There’s 4 games to play and he could only participate in 3 of them and keep his redshirt. If Hooker goes down, we’re already in a world of ****. Bailey > Gaston doesn’t make it smell much better. When this was first announced, I thought something amiss must have occurred between HB and the staff. Now I think this occurred with their full blessing. Heupel has tried to do right by everyone who has left…this qualifies under that line of thinking.

 

[DuckInAPen]

They had film on him from last year, watched him in practice, watched him in the spring game. Why would you deny a kid the opportunity to look out for his own best interest?

Your contention was that the coaches didn't "give him a shot." On what do you base that claim?

 

[a vol n tears]

I don’t think Bailey is the best Option for starting on this team, but I think he has been a good Vol for the program. He comitted early and tried to help recruit others to come in, he graduated early so he could arrive in the Spring, had terrible coaching, he has not gotten in trouble, seems to be a good citizen, no known issues with the program and teammates, stayed through the coaching change and gave it a shot, and when he announced his plans to leave he did not complain or disparage the program.

 

[DaddyChad]

I don't think Harrison Bailey is focused on the program, whether to hurt it or otherwise.

I think he is focused on pursuing his own best interests. And for whatever reason, he has concluded that a move through the portal at this point in time is the best thing for him.

Let's not give a young man nefarious purpose without clear evidence of it.

I mean he would have to be capable of contributing something to the team before he was able to screw the team over. I wish the kid the best. Clearly he wasn’t going to get on the field here. Maybe he finds a better opportunity elsewhere.

 

[LittleVol]

By leaving when he did, he assured that UT could not use the new portal replacement rule to fill his spot. He obviously knows this.

No.

He's getting a head start on his new destination.

 

[Volsfannn]

He will be a great qb somewhere, I do not blame him. I'm surprised he waited this long.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I mean he would have to be capable of contributing something to the team before he was able to screw the team over. I wish the kid the best. Clearly he wasn’t going to get on the field here. Maybe he finds a better opportunity elsewhere.

I think you missed OP's point.

His point was that, with this timing, HB takes from the program an opportunity to "count back" his departure and get a "free" portal transfer in accordance with the new rules. If Bailey had waited a couple of months, after 15 December we'd have been able to offset his loss.

I don't agree with SJT assuming this motivation of Bailey, but OP is right about the effect: it is does take from us that possibility, whether Harrison intended harm or not.