Dick Vermeil's acutal two point conversion chart

[bignewt]

Im jusy saying everybody seems to think its a foregone conclusion that if we went for two we would have gotten it...i for one have zero faith in either coach to make a big play like that succeed.

 

[carlos86]

I can almost guarantee that either debord didnt have a play ready or he didnt have one that he thought would succeed.

Good Lord if he didn't have a play ready then this is a problem.. It's common damn sense that you go for 2 in that situation. You must go for 2 to make it a 14 point game.

 

[carlos86]

Can you provide the quote for this claim?

I present to you the magical 2 point conversion sheet.

 

[bignewt]

This is pretty stupid. Debord and Jones are responsible for our offense. if they don't have at least a couple 2 pt conversion plays gameplanned then they are not doing their job. I think the reason we didn't go for 2 was because they weren't even expecting them to score on that Hurd run. They were ready for a field goal.

And what the hell do you mean "it would have swung momentum more to the gators?" THEY ENDED UP WINNING ANYWAY

the people on this site sometimes

Oh florida won? Think if you can stretch that imagination muscle, what would have happened if we failed on the conversion, which given these coaches and that mental block that is Fllorida, would have likely occurred?

 

[GAVol]

Yep, and the common sense coach would say we just ran it down their throat on this drive no way they stop us getting 2 more yards

Well, it takes 3 to score, so that wouldn't have been good.

 

[utvolpj]

I present to you the magical 2 point conversion sheet.

If you're not going to answer the question then there's really no need to quote me

 

[oryankees]

Good Lord if he didn't have a play ready then this is a problem.. It's common damn sense that you go for 2 in that situation. You must go for 2 to make it a 14 point game.

What's really a problem is the fact that they obviously weren't even trying for a TD. When it's 3rd and Goal from the 10, you don't run the damn ball unless you're too scared to actually "aggressive" and go for the TD.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

If it was deferred to Debord and it was passed, the only reason I can see this being the case is if Debord didn't have a 2pt play at the ready...he wasn't prepared for this scenario.

One can't please our fan base. If he wanted to go for two and Debord said one, the fan base is mad. If he micromanages the offense, then the fan base will say, why do you have an OC? A head coach has a DC and an OC because a head coach can and should nor call the plays on offense or defense unless his game plan called for something other than the DC or OC called.

 

[Denton'sGhostGBO]

This is the visual I get from all the "Coaches" in the room after the extra point decision... I can't say I am not right there with you, but I stopped worrying about 14 beers ago... Go Vols!

 

[utvolpj]

What's really a problem is the fact that they obviously weren't even trying for a TD. When it's 3rd and Goal from the 10, you don't run the damn ball unless you're too scared to actually "aggressive" and go for the TD.

They called a play that resulted in a TD. To claim they didn't mean to is you simply making something up to fit an agenda

 

[carlos86]

What's really a problem is the fact that they obviously weren't even trying for a TD. When it's 3rd and Goal from the 10, you don't run the damn ball unless you're too scared to actually "aggressive" and go for the TD.

I have no idea why anyone would play to kick the field goal. You play to score and play to win the game.

 

[GAVol]

What's really a problem is the fact that they obviously weren't even trying for a TD. When it's 3rd and Goal from the 10, you don't run the damn ball unless you're too scared to actually "aggressive" and go for the TD.

So now we're criticizing the playcall on a play where we gashed them for a TD because you think it should have worked?

Awesome

 

[VOLINVONORE]

What's really a problem is the fact that they obviously weren't even trying for a TD. When it's 3rd and Goal from the 10, you don't run the damn ball unless you're too scared to actually "aggressive" and go for the TD.

You are wrong. In the 4th qt with a 3 and goal on the nine, Hurd ran the 9 yards without being touched. The defense was expecting a pass but the run was the perfect call.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Vermeil is all time great crier

A lot of water has gone over the dam since Vermeil was coaching.

 

[carlos86]

They called a play that resulted in a TD. To claim they didn't mean to is you simply making something up to fit an agenda

No Butch had no idea Hurd would go untouched for a 10 yard touchdown. It caught him off guard. They had planned to kick the field goal.

 

[utvolpj]

No Butch had no idea Hurd would go untouched for a 10 yard touchdown. It caught him off guard. They had planned to kick the field goal.

Link?

If they were truly playing for a fg then the only safe play is to kick it right away or take a knee. Otherwise they were trying to score and you're making things up

 

[KBVol]

Can you provide the quote for this claim?

Is this a serious request? Do you not watch/listen to his press conferences?

 

[carlos86]

This shows how unexpected that rushing touchdown by Hurd was and Butch asking DeBord "1 or 2?"

 

[utvolpj]

Is this a serious request? Do you not watch/listen to his press conferences?

Yes I do. Since you didn't I'll provide the quote

“There were a number of reasons, and we were discussing that prior to that drive — if we did score, whether we would go for 1 or 2,” Jones said. “We have a chart that’s pretty standard in football, that kind of maps it out. And then we just felt at that stage in the game, we had great confidence in our defense, of getting off the football field and not allowing them to push the ball down the field.

“So we felt very comfortable with that decision.”

So, where does he say the chart made him do it?

 

[Bleed-Orange]

All of you couch qbs crying forca two point conversion there, what makes you think debord and jones have a play dialed up to get a successful conversion? Chances are it would have failed and the momentum would have swung even more to the gators. Lets take that into consideration please.

Good thing that didn't happen. We need the "losing by less" stat to continue moving in our favor. #moralvictory

 

[KBVol]

Yes I do. Since you didn't I'll provide the quote



So, where does he say the chart made him do it?

Well, are you blind or just obstinate? So, when he says ....

"....we have a chart that is pretty standard in football first of all and maps it all...."

what exactly do you think he meant?

 

[utvolpj]

Well, are you blind or just obstinate? So, when he says ....

"....we have a chart that is pretty standard in football first of all and maps it all...."

what exactly do you think he meant?

He mentioned multiple factors. They're all right there in the full quote you chopped up. If you're going to call the man a liar at least know what you're talking about

 

[carlos86]

DeBord said this about going for 1 in that situation.

 

[peerless98]

If this true, then Jones is either a flat out liar (Said his "sheet" says go for extra point there) or a poor leader by deferring to a subordinate to make the decision. Either way it was the wrong decision and reflects very poorly on him.

BS! You are a liar for claiming he said that! This is his quote exactly:

“There were a number of reasons, and we were discussing that prior to that drive — if we did score, whether we would go for 1 or 2,” Jones said. “We have a chart that’s pretty standard in football, that kind of maps it out. And then we just felt at that stage in the game, we had great confidence in our defense, of getting off the football field and not allowing them to push the ball down the field.

“So we felt very comfortable with that decision.”

 

[GAVol]

No Butch had no idea Hurd would go untouched for a 10 yard touchdown. It caught him off guard. They had planned to kick the field goal.

Ridiculous. They got the defense they wanted, called a plant and executed it.