Derek Barnett combine

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And when I watch the tape I see a similar athlete...
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^^^makes me laugh EVERY time!

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This is actually a very deep class of pass rushers so I doubt it.

Here are my edge rusher rankings:

1. Myles Garrett (Texas A&M)
2. Solomon Thomas (Stanford)
3. Tarell Basham (Ohio)
4. Derek Rivers (Youngstown St.)
5. Charles Harris (Missouri)
6. Derek Barnett (Tennessee)
7. Taco Charlton (Michigan)
8. Jordan Willis (Kansas State)

All 8 should be first rounders.
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Between the predictions I've seen you make for this and last year's drafts, and your absolutely insane rankings like this, I've gotten quite a few chuckles.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This is actually a very deep class of pass rushers so I doubt it.

Here are my edge rusher rankings:

1. Myles Garrett (Texas A&M)
2. Solomon Thomas (Stanford)
3. Tarell Basham (Ohio)
4. Derek Rivers (Youngstown St.)
5. Charles Harris (Missouri)
6. Derek Barnett (Tennessee)
7. Taco Charlton (Michigan)
8. Jordan Willis (Kansas State)

All 8 should be first rounders.
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So we should expect 8 pass rusher, 5 RBs , and Josh Dobbs to be taken in the first round? Lol you can't even keep up with all your off the wall predictions.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Garrett is a freak but Von Miller is a terrible comparison. He's 2 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than Von. And ran the 40 at 4.64 compared to Von's 4.53 at 30 pounds lighter.

Myles Garrett is Bruce Smith 2.0. That's who he shares a body type with. And when I watch the tape I see a similar athlete.

Myles Garrett is a future Hall of Famer.
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He couldn't stop the run in the NCAA and he'll not stop the run in the NFL. No NFL HOF for Garrett IMO. Bruce Smith comparatively could have stopped gravity had he chosen to do so as could Reggie White.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This is actually a very deep class of pass rushers so I doubt it.

Here are my edge rusher rankings:

1. Myles Garrett (Texas A&M)
2. Solomon Thomas (Stanford)
3. Tarell Basham (Ohio)
4. Derek Rivers (Youngstown St.)
5. Charles Harris (Missouri)
6. Derek Barnett (Tennessee)
7. Taco Charlton (Michigan)
8. Jordan Willis (Kansas State)

All 8 should be first rounders.
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You could very well be right, D4H. I just think that DB has those immeasurables. He's not as big, fast, maybe even as strong as Garrett but when things were tough, DBs motor only picked up. I want that guy on my team.
 
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.@MyIesGarrett15 on which NFL QB he most wants to sack: "Tom Brady."

Why?
"I'm a Peyton Manning fan," he said, smiling.
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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
So we should expect 8 pass rusher, 5 RBs , and Josh Dobbs to be taken in the first round? Lol you can't even keep up with all your off the wall predictions.
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6-8 pass rushers and 4 RBs will go in the first round.

Dobbs will be a 2nd-3rd round pick.
 
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hndog609 said:
Kinda like comparing Kamara to Marshall Faulk since the latter has a 40 time waaaaay faster than the former?
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I compare body types and playing style of players moreso than 40 times.

Kamara and Faulk are the same height and weight. Garrett and Miller are separated by a 2 inch height difference and 30 lbs weight difference.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I compare body types and playing style of players moreso than 40 times.

Kamara and Faulk are the same height and weight. Garrett and Miller are separated by a 2 inch height difference and 30 lbs weight difference.
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You specifically cited a 40 time contextually with a "terrible comparison" between Garrett and Miller. I'm doing nothing more than pointing out a comparison between Faulk and Kamara is even more "terrible" using this same metric since the disparity between the two is more than twice that of Garrett and Miller.

Comparisons are fine but when you want to call someone a 2.0 of someone else you can't really have a major difference between the two. Upshot: you need to find a different RB whose raw speed is more in line with Kamara's if you're going to sound remotely legitimate. (Not something you seem to place much value in I admit but give it a whirl)
 
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hndog609 said:
Upshot: you need to find a different RB whose raw speed is more in line with Kamara's if you're going to sound remotely legitimate. (Not something you seem to place much value in I admit but give it a whirl)
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No I don't. First of all Marshall comes from an era where the combine was not electronically measured as it is now. Which is how we gets myths like Bo Jackson running a 4.12. There were several scouts that handtimed John Ross at 4.15 this year. So you can't really even be sure if hand times are even accurate.

This is a long way of saying we have no idea what Marshall really ran in the 40. So all I can go on is his film. And based on what I have seen that is the closest comp I can come up with for Alvin.

If you have a better one then by all means let us know.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No I don't. First of all Marshall comes from an era where the combine was not electronically measured as it is now. Which is how we gets myths like Bo Jackson running a 4.12. There were several scouts that handtimed John Ross at 4.15 this year. So you can't really even be sure if hand times are even accurate.

This is a long way of saying we have no idea what Marshall really ran in the 40. So all I can go on is his film. And based on what I have seen that is the closest comp I can come up with for Alvin.

If you have a better one then by all means let us know.
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How many HOF's are in this draft?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's a great football player. Watch the tape not the box score.

He's the clear-cut #1 overall pick and a future Hall of Famer.
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I've seen enough of him to know two things

1. He's a great, freakish athlete
2. In 3 seasons of play at TAM, he rarely influenced the football game....and if he did, it was usually vs the worst teams on TAM's schedule....he was not good vs the best teams he played. Period.

I have no idea what kind of pro he's gonna be, he may be great, he may be meh, he may be a flat out bust. But we all know what kind of college player he was....he didn't remotely produce plays for his team commensurate to his immense talent.
 
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You guys are seriously insecure about Myles Garrett. There's a reason why NFL scouts unanimously rank him far above Barnett, and it's not because you're smarter than them.
 
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KBVol said:
I've seen enough of him to know two things

1. He's a great, freakish athlete
2. In 3 seasons of play at TAM, he rarely influenced the football game....and if he did, it was usually vs the worst teams on TAM's schedule....he was not good vs the best teams he played. Period.

I have no idea what kind of pro he's gonna be, he may be great, he may be meh, he may be a flat out bust. But we all know what kind of college player he was....he didn't remotely produce plays for his team commensurate to his immense talent.
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Who cares about college?

You pay entirely too much attention to that.

There are many Hall of Famers with less impressive college careers than Myles Garrett. Look no further than the current best defensive lineman in football JJ Watt.

NFL and college are different beasts. Just like high school stats have no bearing on college success.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Garrett is a freak but Von Miller is a terrible comparison. He's 2 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than Von. And ran the 40 at 4.64 compared to Von's 4.53 at 30 pounds lighter.

Myles Garrett is Bruce Smith 2.0. That's who he shares a body type with. And when I watch the tape I see a similar athlete.

Myles Garrett is a future Hall of Famer.
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Same position, same production, same school.
You are right, what was I thinking...

I'm not concerned about what size pajamas they wear.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No I don't. First of all Marshall comes from an era where the combine was not electronically measured as it is now. Which is how we gets myths like Bo Jackson running a 4.12. There were several scouts that handtimed John Ross at 4.15 this year. So you can't really even be sure if hand times are even accurate.

This is a long way of saying we have no idea what Marshall really ran in the 40. So all I can go on is his film. And based on what I have seen that is the closest comp I can come up with for Alvin.

If you have a better one then by all means let us know.
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This would have been a lame deflection even just based on Faulk's track career alone. That would be giving your argument too much credit for being terminally stupid. For all Kamara's strengths (of which he has several) raw speed is not one of them. His speed measured against his peers is at best "good" and that's fine. Faulk is known by anyone with any football knowledge of him at all as having not just "good" speed but elite game breaking speed. In fact if you put together a list of of RB's that were genuinely good AND genuinely fast he'd be towards the very top. Regardless of anything Kamara achieves in the NFL being considered a speedster will never be one of them. Faulk absolutely was and to argue otherwise is to simply give up on even attempting to look like you've any knowledge of the subject.
 
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I thought it would have been mentioned by now but didn't see it. Barnett's 4.88 compares quite favorably to another player with good college production that D4H downplayed, presumably due to measurables and his "eye for talent". That would be NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year Joey Bosa, who ran a 4.86.
 
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