Defending Fulmer

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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
He's a multi-millionaire who doesn't have to work, and cares about TENNESSEE TENNESSEE and TENNNESSEE. He might take a job somewhere to have something to do, but he is not in "need" of one....Knoxville is where his heart is at.
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Everything about this post is wrong. He's said over and over that he wants to get back into coaching; he just can't. The funny part is that he started off saying he wanted to go to a program committed to championships, and now he's begging for interviews at USF and UConn. Why is that?
 
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VegasVol said:
I'm not in the "we suck unless we win a conference title" school of thought; I still like 8-win, 9-win, and 10-win seasons better than 7-win, 6-win, 6-loss and 7-loss seasons, as has been the norm both before Fulmer became OC under Majors and after Fulmer.
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Logic do you know how to use it?

How can he be responsible for "trying times" when he's also responsble for getting us up to that bar in the first place? You act like 1989-2000 didn't happen... Even in his "decline" decade he still had a better winning percentage then we had since the 1950's.....

I can't begin to comprehend what your brain uses in place of reason.
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What have we won in the past decade?
 
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VegasVol said:
I'm not in the "we suck unless we win a conference title" school of thought; I still like 8-win, 9-win, and 10-win seasons better than 7-win, 6-win, 6-loss and 7-loss seasons, as has been the norm both before Fulmer became OC under Majors and after Fulmer.
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i enjoyed those days as well..the last 2 years and I fear our near term future isn't going to see 9-10 wins any time soon
 
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vol_in_il said:
i enjoyed those days as well..the last 2 years and I fear our near term future isn't going to see 9-10 wins any time soon
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I'm gonna try for the high ground here.....

There is, and will be for some time, a very sharp division among VN as to Fulmer's departure from UT. We all have our opinions, and we all tend to seek out the stats and raw data that supports our argument. Whether it's 152-52; or his record against Top 25 teams; or whatever...we all find a way to make our point.

None of that will change reality.

Fulmer is gone. He's not coming back, at least not as the head coach. He is a first-ballot CFHOF inductee. He won the first BCS NC. He lost the fanbase, and the support of those who pull the strings.

It is what it is.

I, for one, am going to do my best to avoid any more negative comments on Coach Fulmer, and any thread centered on "where we might have been if we had kept Fulmer". There's no point. Bitter grapes do not good wine make.

I was behind Kiffin, and in hindsight, that was just blind loyalty to UT. Now I'm behind Dooley, and in this case...having trusted once and been burned...I brought a more critical eye to the Dooley hire. But I have a feeling that we may have the right guy, and he may...will...restore the pride to UT Football.

Right or wrong, in the end, I'll always be a Vol fan.

Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I'm gonna try for the high ground here.....

There is, and will be for some time, a very sharp division among VN as to Fulmer's departure from UT. We all have our opinions, and we all tend to seek out the stats and raw data that supports our argument. Whether it's 152-52; or his record against Top 25 teams; or whatever...we all find a way to make our point.

None of that will change reality.

Fulmer is gone. He's not coming back, at least not as the head coach. He is a first-ballot CFHOF inductee. He won the first BCS NC. He lost the fanbase, and the support of those who pull the strings.

It is what it is.

I, for one, am going to do my best to avoid any more negative comments on Coach Fulmer, and any thread centered on "where we might have been if we had kept Fulmer". There's no point. Bitter grapes do not good wine make.

I was behind Kiffin, and in hindsight, that was just blind loyalty to UT. Now I'm behind Dooley, and in this case...having trusted once and been burned...I brought a more critical eye to the Dooley hire. But I have a feeling that we may have the right guy, and he may...will...restore the pride to UT Football.

Right or wrong, in the end, I'll always be a Vol fan.

Go Vols.
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everyone's behind dooley, and wants to see him restore Tennessee to Fulmer's level of accomplishment, there's just a shadow of doubt in most folks mind, based on his experience and prior performance
 
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vol_in_il said:
everyone's behind dooley, and wants to see him restore Tennessee to Fulmer's level of accomplishment pre-2000, there's just a shadow of doubt in most folks mind, based on his experience and prior performance
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Slightly edited to better reflect reality.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Who fires a coach whose record vs. Alabama is 10-5-1?
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Who fires a football coach that has won 3 SEC championships in the last 7 years?

Who fires a baseball coach who has gone to a CWS every 5 years and took your team to 3x as many CWS's as the entire history before him?

Who fires a coach who makes it to the NCAA basketball tournament in all 4 of his years?

I guess the answer to these questions is Tennesssee.
 
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rabidvolfan said:
Who fires a football coach that has won 3 SEC championships in the last 7 years?

Who fires a baseball coach who has gone to a CWS every 5 years and took your team to 3x as many CWS's as the entire history before him?

Who fires a coach who makes it to the NCAA basketball tournament in all 4 of his years?

I guess the answer to these questions is Tennesssee.
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Which coaches are you referring to?
 
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rabidvolfan said:
Who fires a football coach that has won 3 SEC championships in the last 7 years?

Who fires a baseball coach who has gone to a CWS every 5 years and took your team to 3x as many CWS's as the entire history before him?

Who fires a coach who makes it to the NCAA basketball tournament in all 4 of his years?

I guess the answer to these questions is Tennesssee.
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an unemployed AD...
 
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VegasVol said:
There's a reason commentators from sites like VegasInsider considered his firing foolish, and it's the same reason we've been underdogs by the largest margins and in the most games since his firing. Nobody that's been around Vegas bookies or life-long bettors has much negative to say about Fulmer, and few thought we'd be anything but worse off with his firing. So far, they have been exactly right.

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Being effing predictable is no longer a virtue. It's a losing trait. That started changing in the 90s. Fulmer missed that boat, but Garner and impropriety loaded the boat such that he and Chavis couldn't even run it aground.
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DarthVisor said:
I can't help you. You are destined to be held in the same regard that gibbs and Vegas are by everyone else on this site.
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I don't mind pissing off the right people. And people who feel the need to Hate on Phil two coaches later....man you're beneath contempt.

From my first post i did not say anything about how he should still be coach. In fact I specifically agreed to him letting recruiting and other factors slip. I am not in the past. I love Coach Dooley, and everything I see happening. I love the energy I see happing again, and I love having a coach again who is based on moral ethics, and shows character...

Everything I have said can be summoned up with one line....the only thing I really expect from other Vols...

"Fulmer is gone as a coach....respect him as the Great Vol he was and still is and move on....."

That's all I want....as long as people feel the need to post hating BS the defies the record....I'm gonna defend the guy that for many many many many On the field Vol players was a friend an inspiration, and simply their favorite coach. Let the hate go, ....show the man proper respect as a VOL. How hard is that?
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I don't mind pissing off the right people. And people who feel the need to Hate on Phil two coaches later....man you're beneath contempt.

From my first post i did not say anything about how he should still be coach. In fact I specifically agreed to him letting recruiting and other factors slip. I am not in the past. I love Coach Dooley, and everything I see happening. I love the energy I see happing again, and I love having a coach again who is based on moral ethics, and shows character...

Everything I have said can be summoned up with one line....the only thing I really expect from other Vols...

"Fulmer is gone as a coach....respect him as the Great Vol he was and still is and move on....."

That's all I want....as long as people feel the need to post hating BS the defies the record....I'm gonna defend the guy that for many many many many On the field Vol players was a friend an inspiration, and simply their favorite coach. Let the hate go, ....show the man proper respect as a VOL. How hard is that?
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Hey, if you don't mind being thought of as a fool, keep doing what you're doing.
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rabidvolfan said:
Who fires a football coach that has won 3 SEC championships in the last 7 years?

Who fires a baseball coach who has gone to a CWS every 5 years and took your team to 3x as many CWS's as the entire history before him?

Who fires a coach who makes it to the NCAA basketball tournament in all 4 of his years?

I guess the answer to these questions is Tennesssee.
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What Football coach won 3 SEC champions in his last 7 years?

I know that Dickey fired Majors after he had won 2 SEC Championships in his previous three years and replaced him with an unknown OC with no previous HC experience and you didn't seem to have a problem with that.

Delmonico fired himself by daring the UT admin to fire him in the midst of 3 straight losing seasons. Hammy didn't want to fire him and was going to keep him but he couldn't, especially after he called out the entire UT Athletic Department.

I'm assuming you are talking about Doug Dickey firing Jerry "Folded Arms" Green?
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Fulmer was responsible for those 2 SEC championships....Not Majors.. Under majors we had one of the worst seasons in Tn History, heck I remember that reporter who refused to leave the Press box until we won. Then Fulmer was made Off Cord, and suddenly our offense changed style of play, and we dominated.... Your just giving more ammo to Fulmer, and why he was a huge improvement...talent was the same between 88 and 89, the only change was going to Phillip Fulmer as Offensive Coordinator. and BOOM we got an SEC Title....further prof can be seen the year Majors had surgery he comes back and takes over purposely changes back to his older conservative play style, and we lose three in a row.....The game wins and losses says it all

I'd be the first to say they show Fulmer begin to slip later. My issues is not to put Fulmer on a pedestal. My issue is people dogging a man that made TN a top 10 team every year for a decade. It's baseless, and makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.
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Do you have an idea of Tennessee history and more importantly...facts?

Fulmer to OC wasn't the only change that was made. Doug Matthews to Def Coordinator full time in 89 was done as well. Why doesn't Matthews get credit along with Fulmer? If Fulmer is credited with those two SEC Championships, then is Cutcliff credited with the great run of the 90's. Kind of hard to not notice the extreme drop off and increased crappy play once he left.

The talent was not the same between 88 and 89. Jeff "I never met a timeout I didn't like" Francis was our QB in 88 and Hinton and Andy Kelly were the QB's in 89. Upgrade. Chuck Webb came aboard as a true freshmen RB and Carl Pickens came aboard as WR and neither of them were recruited by Fulmer. Kippy Brown was the main recruiter for both of them.
 
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rabidvolfan said:
Who fires a football coach that has won 3 SEC championships in the last 7 years?

Who fires a baseball coach who has gone to a CWS every 5 years and took your team to 3x as many CWS's as the entire history before him?

Who fires a coach who makes it to the NCAA basketball tournament in all 4 of his years?

I guess the answer to these questions is Tennesssee.
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One was a drunk.

One was costing the school scholarships because he didn't care about academics.

One was getting worse and worse.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I don't mind pissing off the right people. And people who feel the need to Hate on Phil two coaches later....man you're beneath contempt.

From my first post i did not say anything about how he should still be coach. In fact I specifically agreed to him letting recruiting and other factors slip. I am not in the past. I love Coach Dooley, and everything I see happening. I love the energy I see happing again, and I love having a coach again who is based on moral ethics, and shows character...

Everything I have said can be summoned up with one line....the only thing I really expect from other Vols...

"Fulmer is gone as a coach....respect him as the Great Vol he was and still is and move on....."

That's all I want....as long as people feel the need to post hating BS the defies the record....I'm gonna defend the guy that for many many many many On the field Vol players was a friend an inspiration, and simply their favorite coach. Let the hate go, ....show the man proper respect as a VOL. How hard is that?
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Nick, I've argued this point for over a week now on this subject. Look, the 152-52 (2) SEC's and only NC in most if not all of our lifetimes doesnt matter. If you dont despise CPF and think he's the worst coach ever, plain and simple, you're a dumbass.

CPF's record and accomplishments have no place in this thread. He lost to Wyoming, and as I said in a previous post, CPF is the only coach the history of college football to be upset. The only one.

My God, we even have a Gamecock fan on here that blames UT football's current state on CPF. Are you gonna argue with a Gamecock fan? I don't ever remember CPF telling a USCjr recruit they would be "pumping gas in South Carolina.

Oh, while we're on that. Unless you want the thread to close on you, whatever you do dont say anything about Lane Kiffin. Theres some on here that believe there should be a statue of him erected at gate 21. Just because you have the NCAA come down on you, accuse fellow coaches of cheating, leave with a minute and half see ya, and then try to steal committed UT players, that doesnt make you a bad person.

One thing we all have in common, we're looking forward to football. But you can bet your favorite Tenn hat on one thing. The games we win will be because CPF is gone, the games we lose, will be because of the mess he left us in.
 
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This list has been given many, many times, and since kpt DOES use the search function to find my posts every singe day (he's not banned), he's seen this list often, though, as is his nature, will claim not to have seen it.
 
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