Defending Fulmer

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#477
VKAman said:
Why, after repeatedly saying he wants to get back into coaching, three years after he left Tennessee, has Fulmer STILL not been hired by anyone? Not South Florida, not Louisville, not UConn, not (hahahaha) Notre Dame...he tried to insert his name into all of those coaching searches and I don't even think he's gotten an interview yet. Why?
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great question ,also wasn't offered pro job after 98.
 
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#478
Wikipedia hasn't updated Phil's page. Where is Phil Failure coaching at right now? A coach that legendary and brilliant had to be hired instantly.
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#479
bamacheats said:
Wikipedia hasn't updated Phil's page. Where is Phil Failure coaching at right now?
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Hate that we still have such disrespect for a coach who did so well for us in the 90s and is a VFL.

And I bet there'd be less if people would stop arguing that it was a mistake to let him go.
 
#480
#480
Definitely a mistake to let him go. Wins against Meyer and Saban were right around the corner. All evidence says so. Real world.
 
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#481
Incipient said:
Hate that we still have such disrespect for a coach who did so well for us in the 90s and is a VFL.

And I bet there'd be less if people would stop arguing that it was a mistake to let him go.
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Fulamanure is fleeceing the AD for million$ that he didn't earn and he's a VFL?
:crazy:
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#483
volberry said:
Ppl keep trying to say how great he was but he was not. At one pt he had the highest winning percentage of any coach at like 82%. But he won 1 nc and 2 sec. The nation didn't look at us as the flag barrirs for the sec that was florida. We only went to 3 bcs games in 17 yrs. It's not like he went 11-2 and won the conference like ohio st did every yr. It's not like he goes to bcs games every yr like virginia tech. He was Les Miles 20 yrs ago. Lucky wins, lots of wins every yr, but still behind 2 or 3 teams in the sec. There was no upgrading or adjustments his entire tenure. We kept losing the same ways all those yrs. Just like lsu did in 07 we lucked into the nc in 98. We had a nc game appearance locked up in 01 and blew it. If we beat florida that yr then I feel we could have competed with miami. But we lose to lsu in a sucky game. Nobody lets thhat happen. Get over it ppl.
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Ok so the 1998 National Championship meant nothing right? he didnt beat Saban, Meyer, Richt or Miles. So it's null and void right?
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Ok so the 1998 National Championship meant nothing right? he didnt beat Saban, Meyer, Richt or Miles. So it's null and void right?
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It sure as hell doesn't indicate he can win anything in today's climate. He has losing records against all those guys. Plus Spurrier and Tubberville. At the time he was fired, he had a losing record to six SEC coaches. That's over half of his conference competition for the mathematically challenged.
 
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kptvol said:
Pretty awesome how Fulmer's last five years against Bama and Florida include contests against superstars like Ron Zook and Mike Shula.

If you give Fulmer the same sample size as his successors, 2 years, his last two years the odds are:

Odds of winning against LSU, Alabama, Florida, or UGA: 14%

Odds of losing by 14 or more: 75% (just squeaked by UGA in 2008 with a 12 point loss, hurray!)
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What are the odds of winning against LSU, Alabama, Florida, UGA, and hell, while we're at it Cincinnati this year? Last time I checked CPF was the last coach to beat Florida, Bama, and LSU.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Ok so the 1998 National Championship meant nothing right? he didnt beat Saban, Meyer, Richt or Miles. So it's null and void right?
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Do the folks who win the Powerball have better skills than the others that lose? Is PokerStars.net and FullTilt in a race to hire them because of these skills?
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#488
Big Orange 1 said:
What are the odds of winning against LSU, Alabama, Florida, and UGA, hell while we're at Cincinnati this year? Last time I checked CPF was the last coach to beat Florida, Bama, and LSU.
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I'd say it's not great. We're trying to dig ourselves out of a hole. Have you not seen that posted 500 times in this thread?
 
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#489
Big Orange 1 said:
What are the odds of winning against LSU, Alabama, Florida, UGA, and hell, while we're at it Cincinnati this year? Last time I checked CPF was the last coach to beat Florida, Bama, and LSU.
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Who was the last coach to lose to Vandy? Does that mean if he were still here we'd probably be likely to lose to the Commodores this season?
 
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#490
kptvol said:
Who was the last coach to lose to Vandy? Does that mean if he were still here we'd probably be likely to lose to the Commodores this season?
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Quit using logic and common sense in this discussion! It doesn't work!
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#491
bamacheats said:
Both had jobs they didn't deserve, both are stealing money, neither one is a VFL.
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Absurd. Fulmer kept his job longer than he deserved. Doesn't mean he's not a VFL.

Big Orange 1 said:
Ok so the 1998 National Championship meant nothing right? he didnt beat Saban, Meyer, Richt or Miles. So it's null and void right?
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kptvol said:
It sure as hell doesn't indicate he can win anything in today's climate. He has losing records against all those guys. Plus Spurrier and Tubberville. At the time he was fired, he had a losing record to six SEC coaches. That's over half of his conference competition for the mathematically challenged.
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I think you're talking past each other here. Big Orange is taking exception with the claim that Fulmer was not a good coach in the 90s. Kpt is saying that he isn't a good coach now. It's possible (true, I would say) that he was a good coach in the 90s and not now.
 
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#492
The point of the thread was WiseOlVol defending his position that UT should be embarrassed about firing Phil. Whether or not Phil was good enough to be second best in the 90's isn't really relevant, as he was fired in 2008.
 
#493
#493
kptvol said:
The point of the thread was WiseOlVol defending his position that UT should be embarrassed about firing Phil. Whether or not Phil was good enough to be second best in the 90's isn't really relevant, as he was fired in 2008.
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That was the point of the original thread, but it wasn't the point of the merged thread that you were responding to.
 
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Incipient said:
Absurd. Fulmer kept his job longer than he deserved. Doesn't mean he's not a VFL.
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That's exactly what it means! If Failure was a true VFL, he would have always done what was best for the program, not himself. Phat is arrogant and self serving. He spent too much time trying to make money on real estate and developments than on the program. Now he's stealing millions.

VFL? Yeah right!
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Incipient said:
Hate that we still have such disrespect for a coach who did so well for us in the 90s and is a VFL.

And I bet there'd be less if people would stop arguing that it was a mistake to let him go.
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I'm sure it would be less if there had been a proper plan in the aftermath of letting him go.

I still believe there is a very short list of people who could come to Tennessee and do a better job. So far, history has proven this view very correct, and we're already on Attempt #2.

Dooley is super-bourgeois, and makes me long for Johnny, but I will support him 110%. We'll see how he recruits, and how his recruiting methodology works in a few months time.
 
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bamacheats said:
That's exactly what it means! If Failure was a true VFL, he would have always done what was best for the program, not himself. Phat is arrogant and self serving.
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Short-sighted and/or unable to accurately evaluate your own abilities are not the same thing as self-serving. :hi:
 
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#497
Jaytrain5 said:
SC went into Auburn and castrated them 23-0...again, at Auburn...in 2002.

And somehow Auburn's going to beat them on a neutral site in 2003 because Jason Campbell developed "senior leadership." I'm convinced.
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Fairly handily as well. It happens all the time. It's called College Freakin' Football.
 
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#498
utgibbs said:
I'm sure it would be less if there had been a proper plan in the aftermath of letting him go.

I still believe there is a very short list of people who could come to Tennessee and do a better job. So far, history has proven this view very correct, and we're already on Attempt #2.

Dooley is super-bourgeois, and makes me long for Johnny, but I will support him 110%. We'll see how he recruits, and how his recruiting methodology works in a few months time.
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2 guys. Only one year each at this point. Both inherited situations worse than Phil's in 2008. Both won more than he did in 2008. I think we'll manage.
 
#499
#499
utgibbs said:
Fairly handily as well. It happens all the time. It's called College Freakin' Football.
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They sure beat Virginia Tech handily. I guess the Hokies must have been rocking the second or third best team of the decade that season.
 
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#500
utgibbs said:
I'm sure it would be less if there had been a proper plan in the aftermath of letting him go.

I still believe there is a very short list of people who could come to Tennessee and do a better job. So far, history has proven this view very correct, and we're already on Attempt #2.

Dooley is super-bourgeois, and makes me long for Johnny, but I will support him 110%. We'll see how he recruits, and how his recruiting methodology works in a few months time.
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Better than 90s Fulmer? I don't think it's possible to do that good a job in today's SEC.

Better than 2005-2008 Fulmer? The list isn't short at all, but you can't really evaluate the replacement until they have their own guys. 2012-2015 Dooley is the person you need to compare to 2005-2008 Fulmer. If he falls short, you have an argument. But we won't know for quite a while whether he does or not, so there's no point in rehashing the same thing over and over.
 
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