Dee Beckwith status?

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Birdie said:
1 game, happens. They've gotten big, veteran guys everywhere. We wish we had that kind of depth.
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It will take time but we will get the talent. It has taken UkK almost ten years to get where they are and they will lose many of them to graduation this year. Then they will revert back to the same old UK, at least in football.
 
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Birdie said:
The real Q is. How does TN recruit top 15-20 annually yet never have any talent at all? Interesting how Arkansas and Ole Miss, who have not recruited to the same level as TN seem to be more talented. Interesting how that always happens with TN.
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No talent say all? Funny, I saw JJ score today for the 49ers and CP score for the Falcons today. But we never have any talent Oh and of course, our coach is in his second year like Ole Miss and Arkansas right? Dear God chill out. Interesting is how you’re comparing three games and 8 months in a system with leftovers from other schools to fill the vacancies of the 30 that left with schools that aren’t nearly in our situation.
 
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Memphisvol87 said:
That’s funny because nobody pays enough attention to Michigan to even remember to start laughing in the first place.
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Well I married into Michigan folk. Most of my extended family are still up there. There were a ton of discussions last year about the QB problems for both teams. Misery loves company and what not. Then both quarterbacks entered the portal, and we found common ground in rejoicing. Then Milton wound up here, and none of us could believe the irony. Everything since has gone about as expected.
 
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I’ve read every single post, and very few are about Beckwith. At risk of going off-topic I’d like to ask a question about him.

Does anyone know if other schools recruited him at RB? I’ve got this feeling he came here because we were the only ones willing to recruit him at RB. A quick google search shows me he either committed or almost committed to UF as a TE. He just doesn’t look like a modern RB. He looks like a TE.

Think the coaches are trying to move him to TE and he’s resistant to that idea? Or is it simple as low snaps = transfer? I ask because whenever I see a player picking a school because they’ll let him play his inappropriate position, it rarely works out. Every year dozens of prideful recruits that should be playing safety are instead playing out of position corner at a lesser school and it’s lose/lose for everyone. It happens at all positions, and this feels like it could be another

edit- I was wrong. It looks like he was recruited as WR and moved to RB. It's back to being a mystery for me then. It feels like there has got to be a place for this guy to make an impact.
 
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kcvols1 said:
You posted first with your premise that we’re squandering blue chip talent because of our program culture. I’m just wondering whether it has any basis.

Usually the filing party (i.e. the one trying to make a point) has the burden of proof.

Your proof seems to be that we have eight kids who were highly rated who don’t play, but other (indeed “most”) schools do play their players with similar ratings.

Principally, because individual football players are humans, and not fungible, I don’t see how your evidence necessarily indicates a culture issue, let alone an inability of the current staff to develop talent eight months into the job.

As much ball as you watch, I’d wager that the UT staff watches more, and probably with more focus.

Further, they seem to be doing a good job of getting the guys who want to be here to buy in and fight. That’s more than I can say for most UT teams in the last 15 seasons. I hope that continues after next Saturday in Gainesville.
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The burden of proof does lie with the filing party, however, I’m not the one who filed. I made a statement, and you filed with your retort. You quoted me directly in your response. My original proclamation was a statement directed to no one specific, hence the lack of quotes.

Again, my proclamation is not “evidence.” We don’t need evidence because we’re not adjudicating anything here. This is a forum to discuss football. Oh, and you can add Tyus Fields to that list as well. So we’re at nine now.

Furthermore, we have an egregious track record with coaches the past decade+ that has most definitely contributed to many of our blue chips transferring. I think anyone who pays attention can see that. Colloquially, Tennessee is known as ‘transfer U’ on the SEC Rant for a reason.

I am willing to bet you’re right about UT coaches watching more football than me. Of course they do. They watch more than you too. However, that shouldn’t discredit my opinion compared to the average fan; of which I’m certainly not. I’ve been around the game my entire life. I played, my father and brother-in-law both played D-1, in addition to my grandfather being a high school coach; so it’s not as if I’m new to the game.

I will say I am more encouraged by the Heupel staff than the previous regime, so hopefully our culture will return to what it once was…sooner rather than later. Go Vols
 
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Wasn't Beckwith rated 3 stars by rivals, one of the lowest recruits we.recruited.in 2020?
Also maybe the bar for "bluechip" is set to low if you set it at top 300. Myself I would set it around 75 or maybe 100. If the ratings are evenly distributed among the positions I think you would have to be amongbthe top 5 at your position to be considered "Bluechip" and that works out to 110 top rated players.
If you use 300 players that works out to 14 players at each position. That sounds pretty watered down and basically there is no difference between the 14 ranked high school right guard and the 20th ranked high school right guard. Especially when one.plays in Utah and.the other plays in Virginia. The further you get from the top 2 or 3 for each position (or maybe the top 100 total), the ratings become more meaningless.
 
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Raebo said:
Wasn't Beckwith rated 3 stars by rivals, one of the lowest recruits we.recruited.in 2020?
Also maybe the bar for "bluechip" is set to low if you set it at top 300. Myself I would set it around 75 or maybe 100. If the ratings are evenly distributed among the positions I think you would have to be amongbthe top 5 at your position to be considered "Bluechip" and that works out to 110 top rated players.
If you use 300 players that works out to 14 players at each position. That sounds pretty watered down and basically there is no difference between the 14 ranked high school right guard and the 20th ranked high school right guard. Especially when one.plays in Utah and.the other plays in Virginia. The further you get from the top 2 or 3 for each position (or maybe the top 100 total), the ratings become more meaningless.
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Yes Beckwith was only a 3 star recruit. He actually wasn’t one of the players we were discussing from my list even though the thread was originally about him. I wouldn’t say he qualifies as blue chip either but not too far off at #397 overall. A high 3 star. I mentioned the top 300ish players because if one is rated as such it means they are at least a 4 star recruit. It’s actually more like ~350 according to 247sports.

I think basketball would be more top 100ish but there are a lot more guys playing football thus the ~300. JMO
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Sounds like another graduate of the Brian Maurer School of Social Media Passive Aggression.
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What was that garbage D2 quarterback we had on the roster a couple years ago, who literally never should have been here? McBride, or something like that? I credit him with founding the UT branch of that organization.
 
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Birdie said:
The real Q is. How does TN recruit top 15-20 annually yet never have any talent at all? Interesting how Arkansas and Ole Miss, who have not recruited to the same level as TN seem to be more talented. Interesting how that always happens with TN.
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Cant just recruit top talent. Coaches have to develop it once they arrive. If they dont you get what we continue to see the last 13 seasons.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Did Travis Henry feel sorry for himself and transfer in 1997... or stick it out and seize an opportunity when Lewis went down in '98? Players these days expect instant gratification.
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Henry quit his Freshman year to only return. Ah, the days before social media. When fans found out the next day or week. This is one of the better Travis Henry stories from him early days on campus.


TURNING IT AROUND RUNNING BACK TRAVIS HENRY NEARLY QUIT FOOTBALL WHILE AT TENNESSEE. HIS FAMILY TALKED HIM INTO STAYING AND NOW IS WHERE HE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE: IN BUFFALO
 
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landscapingvol said:
Because most of the 4-5 * players we recruit aren’t really desired by the top schools in the SEC or have baggage. It’s extremely rare now for UT to win a recruiting battle head to head against UGA, Bama, or UF for a player they really wanted that doesn’t have ties to UT. On top of that, coaching staff’s don’t stay long enough to develop what we have or they transfer
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I believe we have a roster full of back ups sprinkled in with one or two that could start at our rivals.
 
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csheaton said:
The burden of proof does lie with the filing party, however, I’m not the one who filed. I made a statement, and you filed with your retort. You quoted me directly in your response. My original proclamation was a statement directed to no one specific, hence the lack of quotes.

Again, my proclamation is not “evidence.” We don’t need evidence because we’re not adjudicating anything here. This is a forum to discuss football. Oh, and you can add Tyus Fields to that list as well. So we’re at nine now.

I will say I am more encouraged by the Heupel staff than the previous regime, so hopefully our culture will return to what it once was…sooner rather than later. Go Vols
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1. I can agree to disagree on your first point.

2. I find it interesting that you say you don’t need evidence, then another blue chipper to your stack. Which is it? NVM, I think we’re going in circles and I’m getting cross-eyed.

3. Amen. I think it’s already taken at least one step in the right direction, and that shows in the team’s play through three games.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
No team in the nation had as much attrition at we did, it's especially bad for us because it was all seniors and juniors leaving. Don't act like we have this big talent advantage over teams like Kentucky and Mississippi when we don't. Especially since they were coached by a buffoon the last three years.
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No one said there is a big talent advantage over all teams in the SEC on UT's schedule that isn't UF, UGA, and UA. I said UT was AS TALENTED and should compete and win most games against the other 5 sec teams UT plays!!! It would be nice for UT to exceed expectations for most of us, go 4-4 in the SEC and win 7 during the regular season. But, I doubt that is possible. Maybe UT beat USC, Vandy, and one of two vs UK and Mizz to go 6-6 assuming a win over SA.
 
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Butch s said:
Unfortunately Milton may start more than 2 before it becomes obvious to the coaches that he can’t play QB
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It’s entirely possible he was handed a flaming bag of crap at the QB position. His 3 most experienced QBs transferred, 2 of them before he was even named coach. He inherited Hooker, who was a better fit than “can’t miss” Bailey. With about zero transfer QBs on the market in February, he grabs Milton on short notice. We can agree it hasn’t worked out for the whopping 6 quarters he’s played. But I give coach credit for trying to turn chicken crap into chicken salad. If there is someone who can turn this into something serviceable, it’s Heupel.

Bailey is not the answer. He’s never completed a pass at UT that went more than 25 yards past the LOS. He offers nothing in the running game, which clearly we need QBs for. He doesn’t run the play as fast as the coaches want. He gets sacked at an alarming rate. I’m fine with Hooker, but we really don’t have an obvious savior to turn to.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
It

It’s called worthless boosters who keep hiring bargain bin coaches.
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James Franklin turned down $90mil. Would you rather we overpay PJ Fleck or bring in an NFL retread? Heupel at least wasn’t scared of the challenge. Maybe he won’t have us in Atlanta in 3 years, but he’s assembled a good staff that gets the players to play hard for 60 mins.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
There are still morons who think we should have hired coaches like freeze and Kiffin who have losing SEC records and Norvell and Fuentes who are about to be fired because they can’t coach
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Remember a few years back when some people were advocating we "open the checkbook" and get Will Muschamp.
 
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