Dee Beckwith status?

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LWSVOL said:
Cant just recruit top talent. Coaches have to develop it once they arrive. If they dont you get what we continue to see the last 13 seasons.
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Agree. Still ask, how has Ole Miss gone from bad to competitive with the same talent that wasn't rated as high or developed. If one school recruits with an average ranking of say 20 and the other of say 35 over 5yrs, both have bad coaching and development, transfers, etc. The school with the higher recruiting average should have equal to if not more talent than the other.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
It will take time but we will get the talent. It has taken UkK almost ten years to get where they are and they will lose many of them to graduation this year. Then they will revert back to the same old UK, at least in football.
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Maybe. Stoops has done a good job in recruiting and redshirting.
 
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csheaton said:
Nope. Those are your words, not mine. What I’m saying is their blue chip high school ranking is a reflection of their physical talent. Not saying every blue chip should turn out to be a star, but that ‘most’ guys rated in the top ~300ish should at the very least be able to provide depth and be an average backup in college. And I listed 8 guys on our team from this year alone who fit that bill and never see the field.

I could understand 2-3 blue chips being complete busts, but eight? Really? It should be more the exception than the rule; and Tennessee has way too many of those. Also, I don’t consider a blue chip to be a bust if he doesn’t live up to his lofty ranking. Most don’t. But most of the time guys who are rated that high DO still help you in some way as a backup at minimum. We have too many blue chips who never see the field, and some not even listed on the depth chart.
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Maybe Josh knew Oklahoma was coming to the SEC so he's sabotaging the team. Yeah that has to be it! I"m sure he wants to lose.
 
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JohnnyJava said:
Arik Gilbert might have helped inflate Harrison’s rankings. We have seen Harrison play 2-3 games worth of snaps over the past two years and he has not shown that he is the answer to our QB needs. Dee has been evaluated about in the same slot on the depth chart by consecutive starts. I’m not sure why so many UT fans are taking shots at Heupel for correctly evaluating the talent he has to work with. What should he do, start Dee over Small and Evans? Have them hit the portal instead so that a player who hasn’t earned the start gets it? So far, I have seen nothing to suggest that this staff is not making correct talent evaluations.
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So a kid who was 4th all time in Georgia HS passing was inflated by Gilbert? I remember seeing some games with those guys and Gilbert dropped quite a few passes. I think what has happened to Bailey is poor coaching and lack of effort instilled by Pruitt.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Lets look at the roster.

2017 class, these guys would all be eligible as covid seniors or rs juniors. Class ranking was 17th nationally, 7 of 27 remain with Theo Jackson being the only notable contributor.

2018 class 22 signees, 8 are gone, including 4 of the 8 highest rated recruits.

2019 class 22 signees, plus 4 transfers. 13 of the 22 signees are gone and 3 of the 4 transfers. 5 of the top 6 recruits based on hs ranking are gone.

2020 class 23 signees and 4 transfers. 3 of the 23 are gone and 2 of the 4 transfers.

2021 we had 17 signees and 10 transfers because of the massive losses from the roster. We already lost the most important player in the class due to idiocy in Salter.

So the "talent" here in large part isn't here. You remove the people from those classes that are gone and they tumble into the mid 40s to mid 50s or lower in the 17, 18, and 19 classes. The 2017 and 2019 class with it's losses probably goes into the 60s or 70s.
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You should have used a crayon and drawn pictures for these guys
 
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Birdie said:
Agree. Still ask, how has Ole Miss gone from bad to competitive with the same talent that wasn't rated as high or developed. If one school recruits with an average ranking of say 20 and the other of say 35 over 5yrs, both have bad coaching and development, transfers, etc. The school with the higher recruiting average should have equal to if not more talent than the other.
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ole Miss may have had bad coaching but was developing players to be SEC caliber. Bad coaches can develop players.

For example, when Dooley was here I was close to one of the offensive lineman that played several years in the NFL. Dooley's staff didn't push S&C development with the players. They would go into weight room and just document that they were lifting so much weight without actually lifting anything. There was no one there most days to monitor what they did.

So you can be bad coaches as far as X and Os, leadership, systems, etc but still develop players in fundamentals and physical requirements.
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
James Franklin turned down $90mil. Would you rather we overpay PJ Fleck or bring in an NFL retread? Heupel at least wasn’t scared of the challenge. Maybe he won’t have us in Atlanta in 3 years, but he’s assembled a good staff that gets the players to play hard for 60 mins.
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Is that our new benchmark at UT for football? "players that play hard for 60 minutes?" Good grief if that's what our goals and benckmarks are just terminate the program and bulldoze Neyland. We may as well be Tulane.
 
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Remy said:
Is that our new benchmark at UT for football? "players that play hard for 60 minutes?" Good grief if that's what our goals and benckmarks are just terminate the program and bulldoze Neyland. We may as well be Tulane.
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It’s all relative. The Gump bunch folded after the first score of the 2nd half. Heupel has lost one game in 3+ years by double digits.

Everyone dogging the new coach acts like this was Saban passing on Drew Brees. When he took over, his 2 most experienced QBs had already transferred and the transfer market has already run its course. There was basically no one left. He knew right away that Bailey lacks the tools - given our weak OL - to succeed in this offense.
 
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Remy said:
Is that our new benchmark at UT for football? "players that play hard for 60 minutes?" Good grief if that's what our goals and benckmarks are just terminate the program and bulldoze Neyland. We may as well be Tulane.
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Are you intentionlly clueless or just trying to be a witty troll?
If the talent isn't there and this is a complete rebuild, then this is exactly what you do to rebuild it
TN has become a culture of whiny, soft, losers
Getting them playing hard for 60 min is EXACTLY where you start to change the culture
Then you have to recruit the talent to fit the new culture and develop it


That's what Saban did at Bama
They were losers who quit as soon as they were hit. He changed that then brought in top talent

50 5* aren't going to win if they half ass their assignments
Play hard then recruit and develop
 
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Dudleys87 said:
How good would Hooker be with 2nd string OL and receivers?

Hooker was missing and was wreck less and careless with the 1s

Put him in with the ones and see what happens. Don’t bury a guy because the project you brought in isn’t working
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He was playing against Tech’s backups too. He had time to make throws. He missed easy ones. And his lack of arm strength relative to the other two, his slower release relative to the other two, his holding on to the ball longer…those have nothing to do with his surrounding cast. We can all see those things.

Furthermore, he was playing with Keyton at WR, with whom he should have more chemistry than any other QB and WR on the team, given their history. The best throw he made was the deep ball to Keyton, which, while okay, was about 2 or 3 steps too far inside.

It was plain as day that Bailey isn’t where the other two are. The debate is between Milton and Hooker.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So a kid who was 4th all time in Georgia HS passing was inflated by Gilbert? I remember seeing some games with those guys and Gilbert dropped quite a few passes. I think what has happened to Bailey is poor coaching and lack of effort instilled by Pruitt.
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Fair enough, your reasons could be right and mine could be wrong. What seems true though, is that Harrison, at this point, is not ready to be QB1. A lot of people are still exalting him based upon what they think he could/should be rather than what he actually is right now.
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
James Franklin turned down $90mil. Would you rather we overpay PJ Fleck or bring in an NFL retread? Heupel at least wasn’t scared of the challenge. Maybe he won’t have us in Atlanta in 3 years, but he’s assembled a good staff that gets the players to play hard for 60 mins.
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Paying a coach who has already rebuilt two other programs whatever it takes to get him here, when we have not had a competent coach in twelve years, is not overpaying. It's simply being responsible with the program.
 
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Birdie said:
Agree. Still ask, how has Ole Miss gone from bad to competitive with the same talent that wasn't rated as high or developed. If one school recruits with an average ranking of say 20 and the other of say 35 over 5yrs, both have bad coaching and development, transfers, etc. The school with the higher recruiting average should have equal to if not more talent than the other.
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Kiffin inherited Corral and is VERY good at developing QB's and calling plays.

Ole Miss is improved but still questionable on D. They're winning because they're producing over 600 ypg on O.... and that all goes through Corral.
 
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sjt18 said:
Kiffin inherited Corral and is VERY good at developing QB's and calling plays.

Ole Miss is improved but still questionable on D. They're winning because they're producing over 600 ypg on O.... and that all goes through Corral.
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Corral is very good. Testament to Kiffin and Lebby as well.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Paying a coach who has already rebuilt two other programs whatever it takes to get him here, when we have not had a competent coach in twelve years, is not overpaying. It's simply being responsible with the program.
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Rebuilt two other programs 😂
 
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Remy said:
Is that our new benchmark at UT for football? "players that play hard for 60 minutes?" Good grief if that's what our goals and benckmarks are just terminate the program and bulldoze Neyland. We may as well be Tulane.
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Step in the right direction. Didn’t see it last year.
 
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Birdie said:
Agree. Still ask, how has Ole Miss gone from bad to competitive with the same talent that wasn't rated as high or developed. If one school recruits with an average ranking of say 20 and the other of say 35 over 5yrs, both have bad coaching and development, transfers, etc. The school with the higher recruiting average should have equal to if not more talent than the other.
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Ole Miss has a QB. That’s why their turnaround is quicker.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Paying a coach who has already rebuilt two other programs whatever it takes to get him here, when we have not had a competent coach in twelve years, is not overpaying. It's simply being responsible with the program.
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He still said no. My point was we’re willing to pay the right coach.
 
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