Da'rick Rogers

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StlCardinals2618 said:
Yea it does, but you have to remember that he was pretty much the only target. The coaches made plays for him to be open. He only had 2 100 yard games in SEC play and that was against Vandy and Arky. That doesn't mean he didn't play well against UF or UGA because he did play good against them. He did completely own Casey Heward who is a very good player, but stats can be misleading.

Just because he goes in the second or third round doesn't mean he isn't going to be a number 1 reciever on a NFL team. His type of skill set is usually not picked in the first round.
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I'll see if I can find it.

There is a list of all of the WR 1st round picks from the SEC and Da'Rick Rogers had the best sophomore stats of any of them. More catches, yards, and TD's i believe.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Just because he goes in the second or third round doesn't mean he isn't going to be a number 1 reciever on a NFL team. His type of skill set is usually not picked in the first round.
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Yet you just listed 3 examples of player who have similar skill set and were taken in the 1st (rice, Fitz, and Wayne). Obviously we aren't going to agree about this.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
He wasn't consitently double teamed, most teams ran a cover two against us. Kentucky put their best corner on Rogers at the end of the first half and shut him down. Those statements are coming from a former vol player with ties across the sec on vq. Darick isn't a reciever that stretches the field like Hunter, which is why he is more than likely going to be moved to the slot. He thrives in 12-20 yard catches. I don't know more than Mel Kiper, but I don't feel he is a first round pick. IMO.

I don't know when a second round draft pick turned into a bad player.
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Da'Rick Rogers was better than Julio was during his 2nd year. Julio didn't play big his 2nd year at all(Dennis Rogan shut him down). Julio also wasn't a burner for real. Rogers can get deep the pass he dropped(can't believe he dropped that ball) against South Carolina proves that. You don't have to be a burner to get deep. Rogers gets open against man coverage consistently. He's a very hard WR to press. Ask the Bama CBs he was winning a lot of times in that game but "Matty Ice Cold" Simms was missing him like hell. One of the catches that game he just was dragging around 4 bama players for a first down after catching a slant. He would've had a huge year had Bray been healthy.
 
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VolPride14 said:
Is he worth the trouble he brings on the field? He is a massive talent. Will it be worth it to keep him with his touches going down(just a guess with Patterson and the rest of the talent coming in)?

And are the any projections for where he will go in 2013?
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he led the sec in receiving he is worth any trouble he won the vanderbilt game with an amazing catch he can play for my vols any time
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Yea it does, but you have to remember that he was pretty much the only target. The coaches made plays for him to be open. He only had 2 100 yard games in SEC play and that was against Vandy and Arky. That doesn't mean he didn't play well against UF or UGA because he did play good against them. He did completely own Casey Heward who is a very good player, but stats can be misleading.

Just because he goes in the second or third round doesn't mean he isn't going to be a number 1 reciever on a NFL team. His type of skill set is usually not picked in the first round.
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He had Bray for only 4 of those games. One of them Bray was crazy sick. Florida game he would gone over 100 yards if he didn't get around a 40 yard catch called back where he took a huge hit like it was nothing. The Georgia game they ran a triangle to stop him. Haven't seen that type of defense since Charles Rogers was at Mich. State. He had 76 yards against LSU with Matt Simms as his QB. The only game I'll put on him is the SCAR game. He's a first round guy due to his size and physical nature.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
Yet you just listed 3 examples of player who have similar skill set and were taken in the 1st (rice, Fitz, and Wayne). Obviously we aren't going to agree about this.
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Fitzgerald, Jerry Rice, and Reggie Wayne all have elite hands and elite separation. Darick has solid hands and above average separation. Yea its all opinion.
 
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What trouble has Rogers ever caused? I know there are rumors, but he is on the team. Others who caused real trouble are no longer on the team.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Fitzgerald, Jerry Rice, and Reggie Wayne all have elite hands and elite separation. Darick has solid hands and above average separation. Yea its all opinion.
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I agree he still has to work on his concentration, but that is just not true about him only have above average separation. He consistently got separation all year long even though defense's game planned around him. I can't wait to see what he can do next year when that is no longer a possibility.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Da'Rick Rogers was better than Julio was during his 2nd year. Julio didn't play big his 2nd year at all(Dennis Rogan shut him down). Julio also wasn't a burner for real. Rogers can get deep the pass he dropped(can't believe he dropped that ball) against South Carolina proves that. You don't have to be a burner to get deep. Rogers gets open against man coverage consistently. He's a very hard WR to press. Ask the Bama CBs he was winning a lot of times in that game but "Matty Ice Cold" Simms was missing him like hell. One of the catches that game he just was dragging around 4 bama players for a first down after catching a slant. He would've had a huge year had Bray been healthy.
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Alabama runs a different offense than Chaney. Chaney's number 1 goal is to pass the ball. Their gameplan was to get Darick open. Thats why Darick had better stats. I think the hail mary was a play action (Im not 100% on that) but I know there was no reciever near him at all.

He isn't that great against man coverage at all. Most recievers aren't. Thats what makes Hunter and Woods so dominating. The best UK corner manned up Darick in the second half and completely shut him down. Their coach said it was surprising how easy it was.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
He had Bray for only 4 of those games. One of them Bray was crazy sick. Florida game he would gone over 100 yards if he didn't get around a 40 yard catch called back where he took a huge hit like it was nothing. The Georgia game they ran a triangle to stop him. Haven't seen that type of defense since Charles Rogers was at Mich. State. He had 76 yards against LSU with Matt Simms as his QB. The only game I'll put on him is the SCAR game. He's a first round guy due to his size and physical nature.
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Darick is an amazing talent and is going to break records here at UT. Im not denying that but I don't think his skill set is the type teams usually go for if they draft a reciever in the first round.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
He isn't that great against man coverage at all. Most recievers aren't. Thats what makes Hunter and Woods so dominating. The best UK corner manned up Darick in the second half and completely shut him down. Their coach said it was surprising how easy it was.
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What are you talking about? His physical nature makes him very hard to cover in man. You can't jam him. The Kentucky game was definitely his worst game of the year, but bray was not at the top of his game (sick and only his 2nd game back from a broken thumb) and missed him a few times as well.
 
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GAVol said:
The analysis in this thread puts the as in asinine.
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Not sure if you're referring to me or not. But I was trying to defend someone whom I think, when its all said and done, will go down as one of the better receiver to play for UT. And make the case for why he is a 1st round talent.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
What are you talking about? His physical nature makes him very hard to cover in man. You can't jam him. The Kentucky game was definitely his worst game of the year, but bray was not at the top of his game (sick and only his 2nd game back from a broken thumb) and missed him a few times as well.
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Depending on the corner. He has his way with undersized corners like Mathieu but others can guard him pretty well. We wanted to move Darick in the slot a lot last year before Hunter got hurt and we will get to do it now since we have Patterson.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Depending on the corner. He has his way with undersized corners like Mathieu but others can guard him pretty well. We wanted to move Darick in the slot a lot last year before Hunter got hurt and we will get to do it now since we have Patterson.
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You on the coaching staff?
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Alabama runs a different offense than Chaney. Chaney's number 1 goal is to pass the ball. Their gameplan was to get Darick open. Thats why Darick had better stats. I think the hail mary was a play action (Im not 100% on that) but I know there was no reciever near him at all.

He isn't that great against man coverage at all. Most recievers aren't. Thats what makes Hunter and Woods so dominating. The best UK corner manned up Darick in the second half and completely shut him down. Their coach said it was surprising how easy it was.
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That's funny
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
He wasn't consitently double teamed, most teams ran a cover two against us. Kentucky put their best corner on Rogers at the end of the first half and shut him down. Those statements are coming from a former vol player with ties across the sec on vq. Darick isn't a reciever that stretches the field like Hunter, which is why he is more than likely going to be moved to the slot. He thrives in 12-20 yard catches. I don't know more than Mel Kiper, but I don't feel he is a first round pick. IMO.

I don't know when a second round draft pick turned into a bad player.
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when did a man under, cover-2 look stop being double coverage?
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
Depending on the corner. He has his way with undersized corners like Mathieu but others can guard him pretty well. We wanted to move Darick in the slot a lot last year before Hunter got hurt and we will get to do it now since we have Patterson.
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That's great with me, he is big/strong enough to take a hit on crossing patterns and is a match up nightmare for safeties and line backers.

If that is in fact true it should do nothing but raise his draft stock. As he has already proven he can play on the outside and versatility is highly coveted in the NFL with their limited roster spots.
 
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GAVol said:
when did a man under, cover-2 look stop being double coverage?
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You have your safeties playing the deep halves. The corner is supposed to cover the reciever on short passes. Not sure how it is double coverage unless the reciever runs a deep route.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
You have your safeties playing the deep halves. The corner is supposed to cover the reciever on short passes. Not sure how it is double coverage unless the reciever runs a deep route.
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There's really no such thing as double coverage until the ball is in the air. It's always a matter of whether there is help inside or over the top.
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
You have your safeties playing the deep halves. The corner is supposed to cover the reciever on short passes. Not sure how it is double coverage unless the reciever runs a deep route.
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Double coverage doesn't mean there are two people running with him from the line of scrimage. It is usually man with the safeties over the top.
 
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