Danny White On Twitter

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BigBadVol said:
I really don’t understand paying attention to what anonymous posters say on social media from their safe spaces. I would bet DW couldn’t care less. People have become so obsessed with what strangers think.
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Unfortunately, I don't think the bolded part of your comment is true. He actually engages on Twitter with these people somewhat often, which I absolutely do not understand. I think he hears them and they get under his skin to a degree, which makes me wonder if there are some insecurities there in terms of his strategy.
 
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05_never_again said:
I liked Vol Twitter better when they went after external "opponents" of various kinds (opposing fans, trolling other team's accounts, members of the media, etc.).

Now it seems like a lot of their vitriol is directed internally at members of our own program and occasionally at each other. They're kind of eating their own.
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The truth is - there's some people who love the new pay-for-play college sports, there's people who don't care, and there's people who detest it. All of them were invested, many for years, and many for generations of family and UT alumni. And now the thing they recognized is becoming unrecognizable, almost excitedly so. "Then just stop being a fan!" is the inevitable, albeit smart aleck retort. As if people whose grandparents listened to George Mooney or John Ward on the porch for their whole lives know how to "just stop." The ones with Tennessee blankets faded to the edge of yellow. The ones with lifetimes colored in orange. Now they've nowhere to go with those accumulated years of passion. So it spills out, however it can. It doesn't just stop. Not like that.

And some more truth is that every team and every program has those fans. Tennessee's not alone in this. Every fan of every major program is riding the same boat as it circles the drain. The ones who are winning now can ignore it a little longer. The wins make the price more palatable. For a time. But only for a time.
 
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05_never_again said:
Unfortunately, I don't think the bolded part of your comment is true. He actually engages on Twitter with these people somewhat often, which I absolutely do not understand. I think he hears them and they get under his skin to a degree, which makes me wonder if there are some insecurities there in terms of his strategy.
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It’s weird because I didn’t bold that. It’s really sad if DW lets social media bother him. As I get older I don’t care what my friends think much less strangers. I guess some feel the need to react to everything that is said.
 
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Voltopia said:
The truth is - there's some people who love the new pay-for-play college sports, there's people who don't care, and there's people who detest it. All of them were invested, many for years, and many for generations of family and UT alumni. And now the thing they recognized is becoming unrecognizable, almost excitedly so. "Then just stop being a fan!" is the inevitable, albeit smart aleck retort. As if people whose grandparents listened to George Mooney or John Ward on the porch for their whole lives know how to "just stop." The ones with Tennessee blankets faded to the edge of yellow. The ones with lifetimes colored in orange. Now they've nowhere to go with those accumulated years of passion. So it spills out, however it can. It doesn't just stop. Not like that.

And some more truth is that every team and every program has those fans. Tennessee's not alone in this. Every fan of every major program is riding the same boat as it circles the drain. The ones who are winning now can ignore it a little longer. The wins make the price more palatable. For a time. But only for a time.
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I think that what you are talking about is a general theme with fans across college sports, but the issues Vol Twitter has I think are more acute.

I've noticed a lot more crankiness and hostility from them ever since Vitello left. Tony V was probably the most "one of us" coach UT has ever had. He in some ways had a personality that kind of embodied Vol Twitter and they really identified with and loved him (I mean, we all did, but they really did). They blamed him for "running Tony V off" or at the very least not doing enough to keep him, even though he was taking the SF Giants job regardless of who our AD was. That seemed to be something of a line in the sand for them. Remember we also had the nut-kick loss to Alabama later in the day it was first reported that Tony was close to a deal with SF...I'll admit, that wasn't one of my favorite days being a Volunteer fan.

Then we had ticket prices increases followed up by a football season (and maybe basketball season) that wasn't as good as the 2 or 3 seasons that preceded it. Now they're even going back and trashing things that they used to think were good or awesome, like the entertainment district. I think if football made the CFP again, Vitello was still here, basketball looked on track to make another deep run, etc., I bet there's much less venom from Vol Twitter.
 
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texvawl said:
The fans will put us back to the Dooley and butch days. Has anyone compared what other teams are charging per game?
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Yes. Been to games at LSU and OSU. We are more expensive than both by a large margin.
 
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CINCYVOL said:
The prices would be tolerable if we were putting a top 10 team on the field every year with consistently making the playoffs
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Tennessee placed 6th nationally and 2nd in the SEC in the last Director’s Cup. The overall improvement of the athletics department under Danny White is literally quantifiable. But if you want to be successful in football, basketball, baseball, softball, etc you have to pay for it. Renovations to Neyland, LNS, etc do not come cheaply. The same people who slammed Heupel for not being able to land Sam Leavitt (and his 5 million dollar contract) complain the loudest about ticket prices and donation requirements squeezing the “average man” out of the ability to go to games. They are not factually wrong, but what do they propose? Tennessee barely cracks the top 10 in football roster payroll, spending half of what Texas does. Don’t like Adidas? Well they pay more, so that hopefully you don’t have to make up that difference. The days of affordable sports entertainment (at least on this level) and musical entertainment are gone. If taking potshots at Danny White makes people feel better, then ok, whatever. But he did not create this environment and what he is doing is necessary to field competitive teams.
 
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TNVOLFN said:
I still think we have the best AD in the country.
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Hands down. Most winning athletic program in the SEC the last 2 years running. By far the most competitive conference across the sports people actually care to watch.

Anyone calling for DW to be fired is delusional and detached from reality. He is objectively a top5 AD nationally regardless of ones personal opinions about him.

I have come to hate a small but extremely vocal portion of our fanbase. The Negas who are never, ever gonna be happy. They are a festering boil on the ass cheek of UT athletics. Misery loves company though.
 
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JohnnyJava said:
Tennessee placed 6th nationally and 2nd in the SEC in the last Director’s Cup. The overall improvement of the athletics department under Danny White is literally quantifiable. But if you want to be successful in football, basketball, baseball, softball, etc you have to pay for it. Renovations to Neyland, LNS, etc do not come cheaply. The same people who slammed Heupel for not being able to land Sam Leavitt (and his 5 million dollar contract) complain the loudest about ticket prices and donation requirements squeezing the “average man” out of the ability to go to games. They are not factually wrong, but what do they propose? Tennessee barely cracks the top 10 in football roster payroll, spending half of what Texas does. Don’t like Adidas? Well they pay more, so that hopefully you don’t have to make up that difference. The days of affordable sports entertainment (at least on this level) and musical entertainment are gone. If taking potshots at Danny White makes people feel better, then ok, whatever. But he did not create this environment and what he is doing is necessary to field competitive teams.
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Yeah and this is after 2 straight years finishing 1st in SEC correct? Negas gonna Nega though.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
They're the same fans who complain that we're getting outspent for recruits and portal guys and Heupel is "getting stuffed in a locker" when we don't sign a player they want. "Why can't we spend more?!" AND "Danny Dimes is all about money!" are not compatible complaints.

I spend a lot of money on UT sports in the form of tickes and donations. It's going up every year. It may get to the point where I stop. But guess what? That will be my choice if it does stop...just like it's my choice to spend it now. I can employ this perspective because I'm an adult.

It costs a ton of money to compete nationally in today's environment...especially across multiple sports. Many want Tennessee to spend like the Oregons and Texas' of the world, and compete nationally across all sports, while they pay 2010 ticket prices. That's not how this works.

We have one of the best, most professional ADs in America trying to navigate UT through this environment successfully, without the benefit of Super Donors like some of the big spending schools have. A bunch of childish brats attacking him on X after the announcement of a FREE event do nothing to help our programs.
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Question: How do you know they’re the same ones? Just curious? I’m not being smart just saying, you know and extreme minority of all Tennessee fans so I’m not sure you can make that claim.

Don’t get me wrong, I completely get what you’re saying. You wanna compete, gotta spend. It’s 100% true.

I could afford season tickets if I wanted but I’m not getting sucked into the “rising prices algorithm”. If someone wants to and can, they absolutely should! No question!

But don’t you or any other person on this board act for a second like you don’t get where these fans are coming from. Blame Twitter (not you) blah blah blah give me a freaking break. Fans who grew up in that stadium that can’t afford to go have a legit complaint. Let’s stop acting like they can’t share disappointment that some Dads can’t afford to give their do sons the experience of a lifetime. I remember going as a kid. I still go when I can and I still have the same goosebumps that I had when I was 6-8 years old when I see that stadium rising out of the skyline. Same excitement. Don’t belittle those who are frustrated that they can’t afford to give their kids the same experience that our parents and grandparents gave us. Frustration is legit.
 
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Now that Danny is stepping down as head of the Fed, and rotating out of his positions in the WEF, World Bank, and BIS... we should see some sanity return to family/sporting event prices.

But I'd stock up on milk if I was in Knoxville. Weigel's is bound to put him on their board of directors sooner or later.
 
#62
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McDad said:
You are within your right to think how you want about it. Opinions are opinions for a reason, after all.
There has been enough organized sport played with disparity of payroll for the rosters to show increased revenues and payrolls do not consistently correlate to championships. We just witnessed such an event with the college championship. MLB is a great example of this phenomenon as well.

You can expect something different though. But be prepared to experience years of bitter disappointment though.
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My opinion doesn't matter at all. And you're correct that ticket sales don't translate directly into results. However, on-field results eventually impact ticket sales positively or negatively. And that's one measure an AD will use to make decisions about coaching changes.
 
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Clad in Big Orange said:
My opinion doesn't matter at all. And you're correct that ticket sales don't translate directly into results. However, on-field results eventually impact ticket sales positively or negatively. And that's one measure an AD will use to make decisions about coaching changes.
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That is definitely a causal relationship! When the number of empty seats exceed expectation...whether because of bad product, poor fan experience, or high prices that AD is out the door.
 
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#66
Most common working people can't afford to go to game,it's ridiculous what college sports is doing,they need look how Nascar ruined it's attendance
 
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UT Hill Man said:
A lot of fans are justifiably miserable.

I'm glad I am not one of those who must choose between groceries/health insurance, etc., or sky-high ticket prices.
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If people are choosing how to spend their money and groceries is one of the options, they cannot afford to go to a game regardless of the ticket prices.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think that what you are talking about is a general theme with fans across college sports, but the issues Vol Twitter has I think are more acute.

I've noticed a lot more crankiness and hostility from them ever since Vitello left. Tony V was probably the most "one of us" coach UT has ever had. He in some ways had a personality that kind of embodied Vol Twitter and they really identified with and loved him (I mean, we all did, but they really did). They blamed him for "running Tony V off" or at the very least not doing enough to keep him, even though he was taking the SF Giants job regardless of who our AD was. That seemed to be something of a line in the sand for them. Remember we also had the nut-kick loss to Alabama later in the day it was first reported that Tony was close to a deal with SF...I'll admit, that wasn't one of my favorite days being a Volunteer fan.

Then we had ticket prices increases followed up by a football season (and maybe basketball season) that wasn't as good as the 2 or 3 seasons that preceded it. Now they're even going back and trashing things that they used to think were good or awesome, like the entertainment district. I think if football made the CFP again, Vitello was still here, basketball looked on track to make another deep run, etc., I bet there's much less venom from Vol Twitter.
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Weird. It’s almost like you have to earn the 10% talent fee instead of just telling fans this is how it is stfu. Idk what Danny white has done that makes him a top 5 AD. He’s hired Heupel and he’s hired Kim. Two coaches I love but I wouldn’t say either one of their accomplishments put Danny in the top 5. Basketball he had nothing to do with, and in Baseball he had to hire Coach E or people really would have ran him out of Knoxville. Basketball and baseball have been the 2 sports holding it down over there. Football has made a playoff appearance but it’s not like they’ve hung a banner of any kind. The frustration with Danny is justified. Is it over kill to tweet the man or call for his firing?? Absolutely but all these people in here dunking their head in sand acting as if Danny is some kinda gift from god are delusional. Just as delusional as the people who want him fired
 
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Price increases aren’t a Tenn problem, it’s a nationwide thing. Issue I have is turning the Neyland experience into a damned dance party of idiots. I’d rather mostly stick to tradition than doing the new trendy thing. Seems to work for a lot of traditional powers.
 
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People complaining about the ticket prices should just stay home and watch it on tv.

Seems like the easiest solution.
 
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