Dan Mullen thread (merged)

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Behr said:
Lol, you're the Butch Jones of message boards. You bring some good info and make some really goods points. I agree with you more than you think I do. But you suck at memes and gifs. :)

Jmo, tifwiw, no hard feelers.
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It's all about the feelers. And the air conditioning.
 
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Behr said:
Lol, you're the Butch Jones of message boards. You bring some good info and make some really goods points. I agree with you more than you think I do. But you suck at memes and gifs. :)

Jmo, tifwiw, no hard feelers.
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3/10 Behr; you're trying too hard.
 
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Sarms58 said:
I like Mullen...I'm picking his team to beat the Ugly Dawgs this weekend...

Still doesn't mean he would give Tennessee a second look...let Jim McElwain continue his mediocrity and Mullen could be back in the SEC east...but as a Gator...
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Great, just what we need to keep this thread going another 23 pages.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
And yes you can qualify it. A competent coaching staff wins against OU, Florida, and Arkansas in 2015. A competent coaching staff wins at USC and Vandy in 2016. A competent coach wins at Florida in 2017.

Mullen has horrible recruiting (because of Miss State) yet he develops and churns out players left and right.

We have a coach that has decent recruiting but can't coach one game without some sort of blunder.

I take the guy who does more with less than the guy who squanders talent left and right.
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So, you can predict wins in hindsight.

Bravo. Well done, sir! You should get your own show on ESPN!

I'm calling BS. Straight up, you cannot say with 100% certainty those games would have been won or lost with another coach.

And you just carry on thinking Miss State can't get good recruits because of, well, Miss State and Starkville.

Bull. ****.

How is it Auburn manages to pull in talent being in scenic downtown Auburn, Alabama and Opelika? Or Penn State gets their highly ranked classes in scenic coal country Pennsylvania? And are you insinuating Eugene, Oregon is some cosmopolitan haven of the highest caliber?

He. Does. Not. Recruit. Well.
 
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I am not too sure what all of this talk is even about.

If Butch is gone (seasons end) do you guys not think we could get Chip?
We could also try for a great Clemson coach or maybe a great PSU HC (not saying they would come but would we not try them first).

I had Mullen on the list I posted, but he was last. I am fairly confident Tennessee would not have to go down a list that far now. If looking Tennessee will be the best spot for any in-coming coach this time..............unlike in the years past when many wanted to stay away.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, absolutely.

Someone said in one of the threads, a few weeks ago, "yeah, but without Neyland and Majors and Fulmer, we're just an X-win program."

Okay...but then you have to assess Bama without Bryant or Saban ... you have to assess Florida without Spurrier or Meyer ... and all the way across the college football landscape. No Schembechler, or Hayes, or Osborne, or Bowden.

And what would we find? That every program, without their great coaches, is Illinois.

Well, duh.

Hehe. :)
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Cool.

I see a comment and I totally agree with it. Then someone responds to that poster that they are stupid. I'm like "damn, I guess that makes me stupid too". So, I guess if you agree with me and someone calls me stupid, that would also make you stupid, and if I'm gonna be in a group that is considered stupid, I'm glad to be in the same one as you. :)
 
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Grand Vol said:
So, you can predict wins in hindsight.

Bravo. Well done, sir! You should get your own show on ESPN!

I'm calling BS. Straight up, you cannot say with 100% certainty those games would have been won or lost with another coach.

And you just carry on thinking Miss State can't get good recruits because of, well, Miss State and Starkville.

Bull. ****.

How is it Auburn manages to pull in talent being in scenic downtown Auburn, Alabama and Opelika? Or Penn State gets their highly ranked classes in scenic coal country Pennsylvania? And are you insinuating Eugene, Oregon is some cosmopolitan haven of the highest caliber?

He. Does. Not. Recruit. Well.
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ESPN couldn't afford me. Also, I wouldn't want to be associated with them at the moment.

Once again, its easier to recruit to Knoxville over Starkville. Even Dooley recruited better. And he was a total kluttz. Tennessee sells itself.

In what world can Dooley recruit better than Miss State, its called Tennessee's resources and appeal.

Even history agrees with me on that.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
ESPN couldn't afford me. Also, I wouldn't want to be associated with them at the moment.

Once again, its easier to recruit to Knoxville over Starkville. Even Dooley recruited better. And he was a total kluttz. Tennessee sells itself.

In what world can Dooley recruit better than Miss State, its called Tennessee's resources and appeal.

Even history agrees with me on that.
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Subjective.
 
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Behr said:
Cool.

I see a comment and I totally agree with it. Then someone responds to that poster that they are stupid. I'm like "damn, I guess that makes me stupid too". So, I guess if you agree with me and someone calls me stupid, that would also make you stupid, and if I'm gonna be in a group that is considered stupid, I'm glad to be in the same one as you. :)
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As stupid groups go, I think ours is one of the smartest. Don't you agree?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Third, he has a 70% win percentage vs the SEC East. We don't have that now.

Fourth, he has a winning SEC record since 2013. We don't have that now.

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If I didn't know better, I'd think you were Dan Mullen's agent. Let's start with this big 70% SEC East winning percentage. Out of 19 SEC East games, 8 of them have been against KenSucky. 8 out of 19. Throw in two wins vs. Vandy and a Dooley led Tennessee team and there is no wonder he is at 70%.

I also love the fact that you want to cherrypick 2013 as to when we look at a winning record in the SEC. Let's cherry pick his 10 win season where he finished second in the SEC West (which, by the way, is the ONLY time that he hasn't been fourth or fifth in 8 years)

Dan's 10 win season included wins against a 3-9 powerhouse Southern Miss, a 6-6 UAB team, 6-7 South Alabama, 5-7 KenSucky, 6-6 UT Martin, and a 3-9 Vandy team. 6 out of 10 wins were .500 or below. Then add on a 7-6 Arkansas team, and three 8-5 teams (LSU, A&M, and Auburn). The losses were to a 12-2 Bama team, 9-4 Ole Miss, and to Georgia Tech in a bowl game.

And since we like to cherry pick around here, let's cherry pick some of his big wins in Starkville. Out of his career 64 wins, 39 have come at the expense of : Jackson State, MTSU, UK, Vandy, Memphis, Alcorn St., Houston, UAB, La. Tech, Tn Martin, Wake Forest, Southern Miss., Northwestern State, Troy, UMass, Samford, Miami of Ohio, Bowling Green, Rice, and Charleston Southern. 39 of his 64 wins. Right there.

Is he a decent coach? I'll give him that. But if Currie hired Mullen to replace Jones, he should be run out of town with Butch. 5 5th place finishes. 2 4th place finishes. 7 out of 8 seasons he has been 4th or worse. Those are the facts and they are undisputed.
 
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A bit deeper record comparison over last 4 years.

Mullen vs East 6-2, West 10-14
Butch vs West 0-8, East 14-10

Mullen vs East teams played
2013 1-1 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, SC
2014 2-0 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, Vandy
2015 2-0 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, Mo
2016 1-1 Butch against same teams 1-1, Ky, SC
Record 6-2 vs 7-1

Mullen vs the 8 West teams that TN faced and the result during that year:
Ala 0-4, A&M Won, Ark Won, Ole Miss Lost, Aub Lost

Result, really not difference in the coaches based on records against common foes.
 
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Harmvol said:
A bit deeper record comparison over last 4 years.

Mullen vs East 6-2, West 10-14
Butch vs West 0-8, East 14-10

Mullen vs East teams played
2013 1-1 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, SC
2014 2-0 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, Vandy
2015 2-0 Butch against same teams 2-0, Ky, Mo
2016 1-1 Butch against same teams 1-1, Ky, SC
Record 6-2 vs 7-1

Mullen vs the 8 West teams that TN faced and the result during that year:
Ala 0-4, A&M Won, Ark Won, Ole Miss Lost, Aub Lost

Result, really not difference in the coaches based on records against common foes.
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You're in trouble now, Mister. The Mullens Excuse Wagon is about to drive all over your butt.

If Dan can win half his games at Miss State, that is absolute proof that he can win championships at Tennessee. Because our buildings are nicer, and there are more bars downtown, so he'll do so much better in Knoxville. Because the SEC will give him really good recruiting classes. He will be just super. duper. for us.

;)
 
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JMSqb11 said:
ESPN couldn't afford me. Also, I wouldn't want to be associated with them at the moment.

Once again, its easier to recruit to Knoxville over Starkville. Even Dooley recruited better. And he was a total kluttz. Tennessee sells itself.

In what world can Dooley recruit better than Miss State, its called Tennessee's resources and appeal.

Even history agrees with me on that.
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And you do realize you are stating Dooley recruited better than Mullen, right?
 
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MadisonvilleVol said:
If I didn't know better, I'd think you were Dan Mullen's agent. Let's start with this big 70% SEC East winning percentage. Out of 19 SEC games, 8 of them have been against KenSucky. 8 out of 19. Throw in two wins vs. Vandy and a Dooley led Tennessee team and there is no wonder he is at 70%.

I also love the fact that you want to cherrypick 2013 as to when we look at a winning record in the SEC. Let's cherry pick his 10 win season where he finished second in the SEC West (which, by the way, is the ONLY time that he hasn't been fourth or fifth in 8 years)

Dan's 10 win season included wins against a 3-9 powerhouse Southern Miss, a 6-6 UAB team, 6-7 South Alabama, 5-7 KenSucky, 6-6 UT Martin, and a 3-9 Vandy team. 6 out of 10 wins were .500 or below. Then add on a 7-6 Arkansas team, and three 8-5 teams (LSU, A&M, and Auburn). The losses were to a 12-2 Bama team, 9-4 Ole Miss, and to Georgia Tech in a bowl game.

And since we like to cherry pick around here, let's cherry pick some of his big wins in Starkville. Out of his career 64 wins, 39 have come at the expense of : Jackson State, MTSU, UK, Vandy, Memphis, Alcorn St., Houston, UAB, La. Tech, Tn Martin, Wake Forest, Southern Miss., Northwestern State, Troy, UMass, Samford, Miami of Ohio, Bowling Green, Rice, and Charleston Southern. 39 of his 64 wins. Right there.

Is he a decent coach? I'll give him that. But if Currie hired Mullen to replace Jones, he should be run out of town with Butch. 5 5th place finishes. 2 4th place finishes. 7 out of 8 seasons he has been 4th or worse. Those are the facts and they are undisputed.
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I picked 2013 because this thread, when started late last night, was comparing Butch vs Mullen. Since Butch didn't start in the SEC until 2013, it is only fair to compare them in the same time range.

Secondly, its fair to compare Mullen's Recruiting since 2013 compared to Butch's.

Third, you can't penalize Mullen for the schedule that his AD picks.

And once again, if you think that playing LSU, Auburn, Bama (common opponent with UT/MSU), and A&M is the equivalent to Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, are equal, you are quite wrong with that.

In this decade (since 2010), the east has drastically declined while the west had Auburn going to a Natty, LSU/Bama playing in the Natty vs each other, Bama doing Bama things, A&M with Johnny.

The east has had one year where it had a team that was a clear national title contender and that was UGA.

I think we can all agree, you have to use 2013-Present to compare the two as that is when Butch entered the league. If you want to compare Cincy/UT to Mullen at MSU, we can. After all, both men became Head coaches at Power 5 schools in 2009
 
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Grand Vol said:
And you do realize you are stating Dooley recruited better than Mullen, right?
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Yes. Just shows how much Tennessee sells itself since we had a coach that did everything possible to burn every recruiting bridge possible and ZERO coaching competence.

Amazing what can happen when you have a program that can sell itself.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Yes. Just shows how much Tennessee sells itself since we had a coach that did everything possible to burn every recruiting bridge possible and ZERO coaching competence.

Amazing what can happen when you have a program that can sell itself.
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It's even more amazing when you have a coach that can sell a program.

A 5-7 Butch got a top 10 recruiting class. A 10-3 Mullen barely cracked the top 30.
 
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JMSqb, I just want you to know that, even though I'm not the guy arguing with you right now, I'm still keeping an eye on your contributions and grinning at the logical fallacies.

Didn't want you to think I'd forgotten about you. :)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
JMSqb, I just want you to know that, even though I'm not the guy arguing with you right now, I'm still keeping an eye on your contributions and grinning at the logical fallacies.

Didn't want you to think I'd forgotten about you. :)
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There are no logical fallacies except for yours. Because if Butch leaves and we don't hire Saban, Dabo, Jimbo, or Urban, we have failed our coaching search.

Secondly, I have not said anything that isn't true.

Once again, the fact that there are people here that think Tennessee's football program is someone equivalent to Mississippi State's shows how much of a number Dooley/Butch did on you guys. It is actually very sad.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It's even more amazing when you have a coach that can sell a program.

A 5-7 Butch got a top 10 recruiting class. A 10-3 Mullen barely cracked the top 30.
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That only happened because Butch had a full 5 more weeks (Bowl Season) than Mullen to be out on the road recruiting....


Butch was able to sell playing time right away and had legacy recruits.

The reason MSU constantly recruits in the mid 20's to mid 30's is because they have tons of upperclassmen every year because Mullen develops players year after year. If you can play right away vs wait to see a start for two years, where are you going? Knoxville to play right away easily.....

And once again, tell me why Mississippi State is as easy to recruit to as Knoxville?

I want to hear your legitimate reasons.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
That only happened because Butch had a full 5 more weeks (Bowl Season) than Mullen to be out on the road recruiting....


Butch was able to sell playing time right away and had legacy recruits.

The reason MSU constantly recruits in the mid 20's to mid 30's is because they have tons of upperclassmen every year because Mullen develops players year after year. If you can play right away vs wait to see a start for two years, where are you going? Knoxville to play right away easily.....
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I keep hearing excuses as to why Mullen doesn't recruit well. But you just can't seem to bring yourself to admit, well, he doesn't recruit well.

JMSqb11 said:
And once again, tell me why Mississippi State is as easy to recruit to as Knoxville?

I want to hear your legitimate reasons.
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You keep saying "Tennessee recruits itself" like we are still reigning SEC champions and whatnot. Truth is, UT hasn't "sold itself" since before Fulmer was fired. One of his downfalls as a matter of fact. He expected recruits to come here out of state pride or because UT was a blue blood program. And it cost him his job.

Any SEC school, with the exception of Mizzou at the moment, has a brand name that can sell itself somewhat. But you have to have a coach that's selling that program whether it's in Starkville or Knoxville or Gainesville or wherever. And if the potential recruits aren't convinced that school is magical, the coach needs to sell them on it. Period. Add in the TV time/SEC Network, national exposure, facilities, heritage and NFL draft picks and you can sell a program.

Butch does it. Gus does it. Shark Humper does it. And if Stoops can do it at Kentucky, there is zero reason Mullen CAN'T do it.

Enough of the excuses. Give me the reasons why he can't sell Mississippi State...
 
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