Dan Mullen thread (merged)

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VFL-82-JP said:
At the end, yes. By 2012. Not in 2010, though.

Go check the 2010 threads here on VN.com. I think you'll find a significant number of people who were excited about the new guy.
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I was here in 2010 and most of the fan base was initially upset with the hire and then later convinced themselves that he was a good coach. VN liked him bc he was a southern guy that said britches and talked about rolling up his sleeves and going to work. He was opposite of Kiffin. He was hated throughout the high school coaching ranks but yet somehow kept pulling top 15 classes
 
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njvols said:
If easy transference of math worked, coaching searches would be ALOT easier. Butch's win percentage at Cincinnati was .622 vs .499 all time.
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You can’t compare his record at a big east school to project record at a SEC. With Mullen you can because there are so many common factors
 
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volnbama_ said:
I was here in 2010 and most of the fan base was initially upset with the hire and then later convinced themselves that he was a good coach. VN liked him bc he was a southern guy that said britches and talked about rolling up his sleeves and going to work. He was opposite of Kiffin which is why some liked him. He was hated throughout the high school coaching ranks but yet somehow kept pulling top 15 classes
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Yep, agreed. But I think he was able to pull in Top 15 classes in his first two years because he hadn't yet completely pissed everyone off. By Year 3, his true persona had made its mark. THEN, most everyone hated him.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.
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We're comparing MSU (basically the Kentucky of the west) versus Tennessee. Have you ever in your life been to Starkville?

We're not getting Mullen but he's a damn good coach.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You totally cherry picked. To make him sound worse or equal to Butch, you pointed out one loss to Kentucky but disregarded the 7 wins against them. You also didn’t point out the fact that he’s undefeated vs Vandy. Who isn’t? Butch.

Also, the numbers don’t take into context the division each are in. Butch has by far the easier schedule and recruiting than Mullen. You want numbers? Look at their SEC record since Butch entered the SEC. Butch is 14-19 in the crappt East and Mullen is 17-16 in the much better West.
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I guess you're just too stupid to realize the dumpster fire Butch inherited. You have throw out the first 2 years. Hell, even Sabah went 6-6 his first year at Bama.
 
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UTandUNC said:
I guess you're just too stupid to realize the dumpster fire Butch inherited. You have throw out the first 2 years. Hell, even Sabah went 6-6 his first year at Bama.
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UTandUNC said:
I guess you're just too stupid to realize the dumpster fire Butch inherited. You have throw out the first 2 years. Hell, even Sabah went 6-6 his first year at Bama.
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Butch was 4-4 in year 4. That has nothing to do with year 1
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
What surprises me, Fade, is how many people still think that the comparison should be between Dan Mullen and Butch.

Butch shouldn't even be in the conversation, but those supporting Mullen as a candidate keep dragging Butch's name back in (usually as a straw man argument).
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What surprises me, is Tennessee is Tennessee because of Neyland, Majors and Fulmer. Bama is Bama because of Bryant, Stallings and Saban. Florida is Florida because of Spurrier and Meyer. Etc. Coaches. Am I right? Seriously? Maybe I'm not.

Do you think if back 10 years ago, Bama hires Mullen and MSU hires Saban...those two schools are where they are now? I don't know, just asking.

Oh, what surprises me? People thinking those schools are who they are just because, and it has nothing to do with the coaches that coached there.
 
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tbones0711 said:
Stay tuned. UT's next hires were born in the state of Tenn.and are offense-minded coaches. One will be HC and the other OC. No poster on Vol nation post anything about these two. It will be exciting.
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One of them is from Fayetteville...
 
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JMSqb11 said:
OP clearly stated “An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.”

Please tell me how his whole thread and conversation wasn’t about comparing the two?
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Some people tried comparing the two. And suddenly, excuses are made about how:

"Mullen can't sell Starkville to recruits!" BS. A good coach can sell the middle of the Death Valley to recruits if it means playing time, TV exposure and belief in the program.

"Mullen would do fantabulous in the East with our roster!" Subjective statement with zero, ZERO way to qualify it.

"Mullen has to compete against Bama, LSU, ATM, et al every year, his record reflects that!" BS. If he was good enough, he would be getting good recruiting classes and challenging those programs each and every year. He does not...

And a whole lot more excuses. Then you have idiots comparing Butch to Mason. For effin real? Last time I looked, Mason is 1-2 against CBJ, but somehow he's the better coach?

I'm not opposed to Mullen specifically, but why would I want to take a chance on a coach that's content to go 7-5 or 8-4 each and every year and doesn't want to recruit to get any better? Along with the $5 million per year price tag he likely would be demanding.
 
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UTandUNC said:
I guess you're just too stupid to realize the dumpster fire Butch inherited. You have throw out the first 2 years. Hell, even Sabah went 6-6 his first year at Bama.
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Ok throw out the first two seasons. Since 2015 Butch is 9-8 in the SEC and 5-5 against ranked opponents. Is that good enough at UT?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Some people tried comparing the two. And suddenly, excuses are made about how:

"Mullen can't sell Starkville to recruits!" BS. A good coach can sell the middle of the Death Valley to recruits if it means playing time, TV exposure and belief in the program.

"Mullen would do fantabulous in the East with our roster!" Subjective statement with zero, ZERO way to qualify it.

"Mullen has to compete against Bama, LSU, ATM, et al every year, his record reflects that!" BS. If he was good enough, he would be getting good recruiting classes and challenging those programs each and every year. He does not...

And a whole lot more excuses. Then you have idiots comparing Butch to Mason. For effin real? Last time I looked, Mason is 1-2 against CBJ, but somehow he's the better coach?

I'm not opposed to Mullen specifically, but why would I want to take a chance on a coach that's content to go 7-5 or 8-4 each and every year and doesn't want to recruit to get any better? Along with the $5 million per year price tag he likely would be demanding.
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Only a fool would think Tennessee and MSU are equal programs. History literally says you're wrong...

Dooley and Butch have really done a number on our fans if we are comparing Tennessee to the Vandy's and Mississippi State's of the world....

And yes you can qualify it. A competent coaching staff wins against OU, Florida, and Arkansas in 2015. A competent coaching staff wins at USC and Vandy in 2016. A competent coach wins at Florida in 2017.

Mullen has horrible recruiting (because of Miss State) yet he develops and churns out players left and right.

We have a coach that has decent recruiting but can't coach one game without some sort of blunder.

I take the guy who does more with less than the guy who squanders talent left and right.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Only a fool would think Tennessee and MSU are equal programs. History literally says you're wrong...

Dooley and Butch have really done a number on our fans if we are comparing Tennessee to the Vandy's and Mississippi State's of the world....
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So, now we're comparing the programs?

On that, you are correct. Moo State =/= Tennessee

Now, stop moving the goal posts and focus on the content of my post.
 
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UTandUNC said:
I guess you're just too stupid to realize the dumpster fire Butch inherited. You have throw out the first 2 years. Hell, even Sabah went 6-6 his first year at Bama.
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He also went 12-2 his second year and the rest is history. I don't expect anyone to be as good as he is, but seriously, the Dooley roster is long gone from UT. Stop hanging on to it like they are still here.
 
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Behr said:
What surprises me, is Tennessee is Tennessee because of Neyland, Majors and Fulmer. Bama is Bama because of Bryant, Stallings and Saban. Florida is Florida because of Spurrier and Meyer. Etc. Coaches. Am I right? Seriously? Maybe I'm not.

Do you think if back 10 years ago, Bama hires Mullen and MSU hires Saban...those two schools are where they are now? I don't know, just asking.

Oh, what surprises me? People thinking those schools are who they are just because, and it has nothing to do with the coaches that coached there.
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Yeah, absolutely.

Someone said in one of the threads, a few weeks ago, "yeah, but without Neyland and Majors and Fulmer, we're just an X-win program."

Okay...but then you have to assess Bama without Bryant or Saban ... you have to assess Florida without Spurrier or Meyer ... and all the way across the college football landscape. No Schembechler, or Hayes, or Osborne, or Bowden.

And what would we find? That every program, without their great coaches, is Illinois.

Well, duh.

Hehe. :)
 
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BeardedVol said:
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Lol, you're the Butch Jones of message boards. You bring some good info and make some really goods points. I agree with you more than you think I do. But you suck at memes and gifs. :)

Jmo, tifwiw, no hard feelers.
 
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