Dan Mullen thread (merged)

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Not even close. If you thought Butchs conference record is bad in the east, it would be worse in the west. We wou.d be the Vandy or Mizzou of the west.
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Seriously.

Mullen has a better win percentage against SECe opponents than Butch, and against SECw opponents, Butch is still at 0 going into his fifth season.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Dude, he doesn’t barely beat Kentucky. In his 7 wins, he averaged a two possession margin of victory. That’s not “barely beating” someone.

Second, he does have to play Bama, LSU, Auburn, A&M. You can’t just throw them out.

Third, no one said he couldn’t lose to teams in the East. However, his numbers show that he would win more conference games against inferior teams playing in the East. If he’s the same as Butch, why does he have a 70% win percentage the East and Butch is barely over 50%? By the numbers, Mullen is way better.

You literally know nothing about football if you are saying Mullen’s job performance at Miss State since 2013 is equivalent to Butch’s performance at Tennessee. There not. Even the numbers prove they are not.
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Then you know nothing about Math, because the numbers prove exactly the opposite. Their performance has been equal in the only measureable metric.

Again, your logic would be rationale if he was beating the doors off everyone else they play. But he hasn't. They've squeaked out wins against Mac teams, and lost to the same Northwestern Team by 14 points that Butch and Co. stomped 45-6 the next year.
 
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Volstylexx said:
You're trying to justify the means by looking at the end result.

Clearly LSU's risk paid off. And you didn't answer the question. Do you think TN fans would be happy if Currie hired someone with a similiar record?
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If Tennessee hired Mullen with the current roster we have, everyone would be ecstatic because Mullen’s record with QB’s (context for you) is phenomenal and we have two decent QB’s. He would also bring along Todd Grantham who is arguably a top 5 DC in the country.

Mullen would be the safest Home Run Hire we could make.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
If Tennessee hired Mullen with the current roster we have, everyone would be ecstatic because Mullen’s record with QB’s (context for you) is phenomenal and we have two decent QB’s. He would also bring along Todd Grantham who is arguably a top 5 DC in the country.

Mullen would be the safest Home Run Hire we could make.
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Yep. Bring his staff here. Keep Gillespie on at RB coach.

We would win the east and actually be competitive in Atlanta.
 
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Volstylexx said:
You're trying to justify the means by looking at the end result.

Clearly LSU's risk paid off. And you didn't answer the question. Do you think TN fans would be happy if Currie hired someone with a similiar record?
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No, you made the following statement:

Volstylexx said:
Coaching careers are made/lost on W/L records. That's all you can use.
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If it were even remotely true, Saban would have never been given a second look, much less a first by LSU.
 
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Why's he finishing 5th in the West in 5 of 8 years of coaching?

Because he's in the West...are you even serious.

Why has he lost games to SEC E teams?

Saban has lost game against East teams before, why did he lose?

Why can they barely beat KY and why do they barely beat OOC teams like Miami of Ohio 17-16?

Why did they curbstomp LSU or get ranked #1 a couple years ago? Why are you cherry picking random facts?

Throw his record against Bama, LSU, and Ole Miss out the window - if you're argument is Strength of schedule, he should be finishing no worse than 4th.

So are you ignoring 2014 when he won 10 games and finished 2nd? Of course he will usually finish 4th or 5th though. He's at MSU with low talent teams and fewer resources than big schools.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Then you know nothing about Math, because the numbers prove exactly the opposite. Their performance has been equal in the only measureable metric.
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What Math shows that they are equivalent to each other since 2013? Because you can’t use pre-2013 to compare them. Mullen has a better Win% in the SEC compared to Butch. Mullen’s interdivision record is better than Butch. The only thing better that Butch has done is recruit. Everything else, Mullen has been better. Way better.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Then you know nothing about Math, because the numbers prove exactly the opposite. Their performance has been equal in the only measureable metric.

Again, your logic would be rationale if he was beating the doors off everyone else they play. But he hasn't. They've squeaked out wins against Mac teams, and lost to the same Northwestern Team by 14 points that Butch and Co. stomped 45-6 the next year.
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Mullen beat the A&M and South Carolina squads we lost to last year.

And secondly, you of all people, Mr. Wizard, should know you can’t compare that northwestern team since it wasn’t the same team or same season that we faced them. Duh!
 
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LittleCat said:
Why's he finishing 5th in the West in 5 of 8 years of coaching?

Because he's in the West...are you even serious.

Why has he lost games to SEC E teams?

Saban has lost game against East teams before, why did he lose?

Why can they barely beat KY and why do they barely beat OOC teams like Miami of Ohio 17-16?

Why did they curbstomp LSU or get ranked #1 a couple years ago? Why are you cherry picking random facts?

Throw his record against Bama, LSU, and Ole Miss out the window - if you're argument is Strength of schedule, he should be finishing no worse than 4th.

So are you ignoring 2014 when he won 10 games and finished 2nd? Of course he will usually finish 4th or 5th though. He's at MSU with low talent teams and fewer resources than big schools.
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Sorry, I just don't understand why TN fans would want to settle for Mullen. I don't care how strong the conference is - If you can't sniff better than a 5th place finish in 5 /8 years you don't deserve to coach at TN.

Good coaches win games they shouldn't. Neither Mullen nor Butch have done that.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Sorry, I just don't understand why TN fans would want to settle for Mullen. I don't care how strong the conference is - If you can't sniff better than a 5th place finish in 5 /8 years you don't deserve to coach at TN.

Good coaches win games they shouldn't. Neither Mullen nor Butch have done that.
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It's because you are trying to boil down what Mullen has done at MSU to just his W/L record, without evaluating it within any context.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
What Math shows that they are equivalent to each other since 2013? Because you can’t use pre-2013 to compare them. Mullen has a better Win% in the SEC compared to Butch. Mullen’s interdivision record is better than Butch. The only thing better that Butch has done is recruit. Everything else, Mullen has been better. Way better.
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Lol. No it hasn't. He has won NOTHING. If all he has is the argument "Well, its the SEC West and you know, well we play Bama and Auburn and LSU - and we have less talent, so 5th place is great!!"

that's no better than Butch saying, "Well we've lost a lot of key players due to injuries - and you know, it's tough playing in the SEC every week - so 3rd place is great!!"

Again, good coaches don't make excuses for injuries or for talents. They go out and they coach the team they have. They win games they shouldn't.

Mullen hasn't. Butch hasn't.
 
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BeardedVol said:
It's because you are trying to boil down what Mullen has done at MSU to just his W/L record, without evaluating it within any context.
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When was the last time you saw a coach get inducted into the Hall of Fame because of context? Now inducting Coach A for his 60% win record... but that would be 80% if he played elsewhere in a weaker division at a school with more resources....

That's not how this football thing works. They get there for winning.

W/L is the only metric that matters to most fans.
 
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Volstylexx said:
Lol. No it hasn't. He has won NOTHING. If all he has is the argument "Well, its the SEC West and you know, well we play Bama and Auburn and LSU - and we have less talent, so 5th place is great!!"

that's no better than Butch saying, "Well we've lost a lot of key players due to injuries - and you know, it's tough playing in the SEC every week - so 3rd place is great!!"

Again, good coaches don't make excuses for injuries or for talents. They go out and they coach the team they have. They win games they shouldn't.

Mullen hasn't. Butch hasn't.
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Sorry but the numbers prove you wrong. And now your abandoning your whole point by saying they are even because they haven’t won a championship.......

I’m not surprised because math is hard for some.
 
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Volstylexx said:
When was the last time you saw a coach get inducted into the Hall of Fame because of context?
Coaches aren't inducted into the hall of fame because of context. They get there for winning.

W/L is the only metric that matters to most fans.
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So now we are talking about whether or not Mullen is HOF-worthy? That's quite a big shift from your original argument that Mullen and Butch are essentially the same.
 
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Volstylexx said:
When was the last time you saw a coach get inducted into the Hall of Fame because of context? Now inducting Coach A for his 60% win record... but that would be 80% if he played elsewhere in a weaker division at a school with more resources....

That's not how this football thing works. They get there for winning.

W/L is the only metric that matters to most fans.
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If that was the case (W/L record with zero context), Mullen wouldn’t be the hottest name in the Coaching Carousel for this upcoming offseason.
 
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Nonetheless, I've enjoyed the conversation guys. Off to bed. 1:30 on the east coast. Good night and Go Vols!
 
#97
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Volstylexx said:
Lol. No it hasn't. He has won NOTHING. If all he has is the argument "Well, its the SEC West and you know, well we play Bama and Auburn and LSU - and we have less talent, so 5th place is great!!"

that's no better than Butch saying, "Well we've lost a lot of key players due to injuries - and you know, it's tough playing in the SEC every week - so 3rd place is great!!"

Again, good coaches don't make excuses for injuries or for talents. They go out and they coach the team they have. They win games they shouldn't.

Mullen hasn't. Butch hasn't.
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Were you in a coma in the 2014 season? Or even 2015? He had a bad year in 2016 and still won 6 losing to UK.

MSU with their history and talent should be grateful to win 6 a year. Mullen deserves a chance to show what he can do with a legit program, similar to James Franklin.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So now we are talking about whether or not Mullen is HOF-worthy? That's quite a big shift from your original argument that Mullen and Butch are essentially the same.
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Volstylexx said:
Nonetheless, I've enjoyed the conversation guys. Off to bed. 1:30 on the east coast. Good night and Go Vols!
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Good idea, sleep on it, then have your wife check the math for you when she gets up; just don't get mad at her when she tells you that you a were wrong.
 
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