Cuonzo Martin is a badass

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VolArmy74 said:
People seem to ignore the fact that the SEC was awful, that team finished 19-15 with losses to absolutely terrible teams. Not moderately bad teams, completely terrible ones.
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The ability to misstate and distort facts is amazing. Outside of UTEP, who did we lose to that was "terrible"? NC State and Xavier both made the tourney (Ironically they both played each other in a play in).

Wichita State? No. 1 seed.

Kentucky and Florida (four total losses) In the Final Four, nuff said

Missouri? Finished with 23 wins, was projected to be third in the conference, and won a game in the NIT

Vandy...could be called terrible...but they are an in-state rival and we lost in Nashville

Texas A&M...I would say they are below average, but not "terrible" but yes, we did lose two close games to them and should not have.

So that's three, maybe four teams we lost to, and I would only call Vandy "terrible". Because I just looked UTEP up, and they won 23 games and went to some sort of postseason tourney.

In fact, the only team that did not go to some type of postseason tourney (Tamu went to the CIB) was Vandy, and as I say, they are an in-state rival.

How do you get from ONE terrible team that's an instate rival to "all those terrible teams we lost to"?

Apparently by not bothering to do any research at all. But hey, whatever floats your boat. You believe it, so it must be true! :birgits_giggle:
 
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BanditVol said:
The ability to misstate and distort facts is amazing. Outside of UTEP, who did we lose to that was "terrible"? NC State and Xavier both made the tourney (Ironically they both played each other in a play in).

Wichita State? No. 1 seed.

Kentucky and Florida (four total losses) In the Final Four, nuff said

Missouri? Finished with 23 wins, was projected to be third in the conference, and won a game in the NIT

Vandy...could be called terrible...but they are an in-state rival and we lost in Nashville

Texas A&M...I would say they are below average, but not "terrible" but yes, we did lose two close games to them and should not have.

So that's three, maybe four teams we lost to, and I would only call Vandy "terrible". Because I just looked UTEP up, and they won 23 games and went to some sort of postseason tourney.

In fact, the only team that did not go to some type of postseason tourney (Tamu went to the CIB) was Vandy, and as I say, they are an in-state rival.

How do you get from ONE terrible team that's an instate rival to "all those terrible teams we lost to"?

Apparently by not bothering to do any research at all. But hey, whatever floats your boat. You believe it, so it must be true! :birgits_giggle:
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I'm speaking of year one when everyone says we overachieved because of our SEC placement, ignoring the rest of the season. You'd think that'd be obvious by the 19-15 record statement I made when we clearly didn't finish 19-15 this year.

But even pointing out this year, A&M x 2, Vandy, and UTEP were all awful losses. Complete disasters. That home loss to A&M was a particular stinker.
 
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While I am at it, let's talk about some of our wins.

We beat Vandy by a record amount.

We beat Alabama at their place by a record amount, and was only the 4th time in history we beat them in Tuskaloser.

We beat the ACC champion and no. 1 seed Virginia by 23 points

We played Xavier again, in a game not the season opener nor on the road (neutral site) and beat them decisively, whereas they barely beat us on their home floor in what was our first game and their second (who opens the season on the road anyway????_

Let me throw in that last year we also beat UK by a record amount.

When Martin gets his **** together, it can be really good.

Is he inconsistent? Yes. But here is one more fact....this year is tied for the fifth most wins in our history and also ties our second best run in the tourney.

And people want him to go.

These are the same effing morons who bought into Lane Kiffin's BS and thought Gruden was coming here. :eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:

We seem to have some really unintelligent fans. :)
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'm speaking of year one when everyone says we overachieved because of our SEC placement, ignoring the rest of the season. You'd think that'd be obvious by the 19-15 record statement I made when we clearly didn't finish 19-15 this year.

But even pointing out this year, A&M x 2, Vandy, and UTEP were all awful losses. Complete disasters. That home loss to A&M was a particular stinker.
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There is not any excuse for the Texas A&M home loss.

The other loss to Vandy and Texas A&M were SEC road games. Kentucky lost to South Carolina...SOUTH CAROLINA, LSU, and Arkansas on the road (and lost to Ark again at home!)...the only difference between Kentucky's SEC record and Tennessee's is the game we played. Had we played Kentucky in Knoxville, maybe we win and finish ahead of them.

And again, UTEP was 23-11...maybe they played a weak schedule, but I wouldn't call them "terrible".

Even if I bought your argument, you are still reduced to saying we lost four games we should have won....but let's face it, all that matters is the tourney at the end of the day.
 
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ThunderVol11 said:
How has he not met expectations? His first team was very talentless (why they were picked by the coaches to finish next to last in the conference--you can try to rationalize all you want or say those polls are worthless, etc. etc. Fact is that goes a long way to show the team lacked talent and werent' a tourney team).I don't think that team makes the tournament even with Pearl. The second team, I admit, probably should've made the tournament. His latest team, made the Sweet 16.

So you said he hasn't met expectations. Whose expectations. Maybe he hasn't met a fan's unrealistic expectation?
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I think a lot of the fans want bling and that's not Martins style.
 
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BanditVol said:
There is not any excuse for the Texas A&M home loss.

The other loss to Vandy and Texas A&M were SEC road games. Kentucky lost to South Carolina...SOUTH CAROLINA, LSU, and Arkansas on the road (and lost to Ark again at home!)...the only difference between Kentucky's SEC record and Tennessee's is the game we played. Had we played Kentucky in Knoxville, maybe we win and finish ahead of them.

And again, UTEP was 23-11...maybe they played a weak schedule, but I wouldn't call them "terrible".

Even if I bought your argument, you are still reduced to saying we lost four games we should have won....but let's face it, all that matters is the tourney at the end of the day.
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There's a huge difference in finishing the regular season 24-7 vs 20-11. Massive. If we go 24-7/14-4 in the SEC, we are in as a #5 seed or so and the entire regular season petition/boosters mess if true, never happens.

BTW, UTEP finished 5th in CUSA. A 1 bid NCAA league. It was a really bad loss, no matter where the game was played.

But none of that has much of anything to do with the point I was making in the post you originally quoted, which dealt with season one.
 
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tenntex67 said:
I think a lot of the fans want bling and that's not Martins style.
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I don't want bling, that crap is for the rappers and hip hoppers, I want consistent play on both ends of the court. I want what we got in the late run and in the NCAA. That is not too much to ask.
 
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ACvol3 said:
Dooley-esque imo..
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The fact more of you keep comparing Dooley and Martin's resumes just further exposes your intellects. If Butch Jones doesn't finish in the top 16 of the final rankings by his third season, are you going to be comparing him to Dooley, too?
 
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The players respond to this guy. They give maximum effort out on the court, especially on the defensive end. For the most part his game plans have been spot on. They were in position down the stretch in each of their losses to win but the players did not get it done. Their margins in victory border on the absurd. This is the guy we want coaching or basketball team. The more kids see Tennessee play the more they will want to play for him. Coach is a badass and his teams reflect it!!
 
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Shaun1985 said:
You are mental if you call what he's done the past three years "well".
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You are correct! I would not say the past three years were "Well" but he does have some excuses.

(1) 1st season: 1/2 of season Stokes was not on the team, he was in high school.

(2) 1st season: 1/2 of season Stokes was not in college basketball shape.

(3) 2nd season: Maymon was injured

(4) 2nd season: Golden was the p.g.
 
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AZVOLSFAN said:
UVA, Iowa, and UMASS weren't ranked when he beat them this year. UF last year, sure. They were a good team. As was WSU. But UK, last year, they were a terrible team. In his three years at UT, he is 6-13 against teams ranked inside the top 25 when we played them. This year our Vols didn't beat any teams that were ranked when we played them.
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If Kentucky was terrible last year, what the hell do you call the Kentucky teams Pearl beat? I mean, Pearl lost to Gillespie coached teams. Sheesh.
 
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I'm STOKED CCM is staying. Here's a guy who WANTS to be here. I love that Selfie of the team after the Mercer win. I think we have a chance to build something sustainably strong. I want UT basketball to be in the mix year after year. I think Cuonzo is building that program now. We were a bad call away from the Final 8.

He's a blue collar guy but he's about his players. He's gonna build a solid mix, I believe, which means he'll get a bunch of Richardson's who stick around awhile with a mix of guys that can go early.

McRae didn't shoot well down the stretch and we still are in the game. I loved watching this team play.

UTEP was a bad loss, but that's gonna happen every now and again. We beat a number one seed by 35, too. That's gonna happen every now and again as well.

We need to sit back and enjoy the ride and watch CCM come more and more out of his shell.

Thanks for sticking around COACH MARTIN!
 
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nunshalpass said:
No, he has outperformed Coach K during his first three years here. Coach K went 17-13, 10-17, 11-17 his first three years at Duke. How would you know if you were trying to tank a future Coach K? The guy is in his 6th year coaching overall and is still learning his craft. Recent events make me believe he is getting better at it. But hey, let's all go for that instant success, since it tends to last sooooo long. And, yeah we just fell backward into all that late season success... right.
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My point is it isn't a revolution if Martin leaves for another job. The OP equated it to the football program.
 
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D.C. Vol said:
The fact more of you keep comparing Dooley and Martin's resumes just further exposes your intellects. If Butch Jones doesn't finish in the top 16 of the final rankings by his third season, are you going to be comparing him to Dooley, too?
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You're dead on it, man. Coach Martin is like a combination of Phil Jackson, John Wooden, and Red Auerbach all put together compared to that fish eyed fool Dooley. I guess the Vol basketball fans on this forum don't follow the football team, cause this (meaning the basketball situation) ain't even in the same ballpark as what DD did to our University. Oh, and as I try to do every day, thank you Mike Hamilton for getting rid of Fulmer. Johnny Majors, you are, and always will be the Man.
 
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