Cowherd....

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

Cognitive dissonance.

FL didn't "weasel their way in". We blew it. Plain and simple.

Gator fans always referred to us as weaseling our way in when we didn't beat them and made it to the SEC title game......so yeah....we blew it like the years they did for us to get there...so they weaseled their way in. I don't care that they beat LSU....tit4tat.

 

[Booker512]

I understand.

I don't know if Butch is good enough to win anything of significance, I have my doubts just like others do. I just don't understand how you can say you have little confidence in our administration and boosters, and be so anxious about putting this at their feet.

Worn out discussion.

If we're 2-3 in our first 5, good chance Ill be over Butch and will dread the coaching search, but ready to go with it. But hope they wait until after season.

If they were to hire someone we all agreed on, lol, and was a big name, it's possible he would have to deal with the same things Butch has had to, and he could leave before even getting started. Can you image the results of that?

I don't know man, I don't Love or worship Butch, but I'll say it again....We need Butch to get this done!

Agree with this completely.

I liken this to the same type of people who complain that the government is completely incompetent (it is mostly) and then think it's a great idea to turn over control of everything to them. Or the people that complain about corporations having no accountability....but then want to hand control of that said entity over to career politicians, who...have no accountability....

Same exact thing in my mind....

"Our admin is a joke, I hate Butch Jones, he's a bad hire, but hey! Let's give that same incompetent admin another chance to do the same thing over again! Oh and by the way, while I'm complaining, don't ask who I like as a replacement for butch, that's a typical question pumpers ask, oh and butch needs to win something significant, 3 bowl wins and breaking the Florida streak, that's not progress, neither is great recruiting and few arrests or offfield issues. BUTCH NEEDS TO SHOW WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS! ITS YEAR 1,222!"

But saying any of this gets you tossed into the heap of pumpers. Haha. Even tho it's a very very valid point. There are greater risks in firing him too soon. He is a coach you can be patient with. He's not violating recruiting rules or running hookers into the dorms. He may not be Nick Saban, but he's not Joe Pa either. At absolute worst, he's Ron zook.

 

[volfan102455]

I like Butch. But the mess about what he inherited when he got here has to go. This is year 5 (6?) and he has had the time to get his guys in there. It's time to put up or shut up.

The question and disagreement for some has always been how long it reasonably takes to rebuild a SEC caliber roster - one where a bus load of injuries will not impact the outcome - one where the team is reloading, not rebuilding every year.

The 5th year is when the players = his recruits only. The 5th year also, due to talent lost is a reloading year not a year filled with key players coming back at key positions.

The only 2 schools that have shown the ability to 'reload' and maintain consistency are Bama and OSU.

Reality is that had Tennessee won the East last year going say 10-2, the outlook for 2017 would still be what it is - that is if folks are objectively evaluating talent returning. Tennessee would still be replacing 6 NFL draftees and players at key positions with lots of unknowns going into the season.

Most have the grandiose requirements for 2017 (Must do this or be fired) only because they are still butt hurt from 2016 - not because they are looking at the experience of the players with eyes wide open.

There is:

- What a fan wants and hopes will occur and what could occur if everything aligns as the talent is there but just not tested

- What a fan can reasonably expect based on a looking at experience verses schedule and experience of opposing teams; This assumes players need to have some game day experience and grow into their potential.

- What a fan demands regardless of whether the team has the experience to achieve it; this assumes Tennessee should win because it is Tennessee and depth, level of injuries, experience of the players, etc. do not matter.

Those that want the coach to be on the "hot seat" fall into the "demanding even if the demands are not reasonable based on experience returning" category.

Tennessee is primed right now to solidly return to those some of us call glory days. 2017 is when your support, as a fan, is needed most. Yes it is a pivotal year. As a fan, one can either spend ones time tearing apart anything and everything about this team in hopes the team will take a nose dive backward to support ones agenda to "fire a coach" or one can spend ones time in full support of this team.

As for me, the players believe and that is what matters most to me.

Go Vols! Beat Tech! it is almost time.

 

[rocketskates]

Butch isn't even on the warm seat this season. Currie isn't firing his head coach in the first year. Cowherd is a fool.

 

[YankeeVol]

Didn't we damn near win the east last year, and the snakes in the swamp needed a hurricane to weasel their way in?

I see NO reason we couldn't win the east this year TBH. My biggest concern is Hall being out puts a lot of pressure on the oline to perform early.

Pretty sure florida was about to have their ass handed to them and we had the east wrapped up until the florida AD used the NON hurricane as an excuse to get them extra time to heal up and prep.

All we had to do was beat the Powerhouses Vandy and SC.

FL didn't weasel their way in, Tennessee blew it big time.

It is what it is at this point. Let's see what happens this year.

 

[YankeeVol]

Butch isn't even on the warm seat this season. Currie isn't firing his head coach in the first year. Cowherd is a fool.

He didn't hire him, so he's not really "his head coach."

 

[savannahfan]

He's of the impression that we could get out ahead of the Chip Kelly lottery if we fire him fast enough...

Ridiculous. He's gonna push that story all season like he has insider knowledge about a possibility too.

Personally I hope Kelly is never on our "radar". If when or how Butch leaves I just don't think Kelly would be a fit. Much like a recent men's basketball coach (who was pretty good by the way) just didn't seem to fit.

 

[Dudleys87]

He says things like thar all the time so stuff like this follows

 

[Boca Vol]

Butch isn't even on the warm seat this season. Currie isn't firing his head coach in the first year. Cowherd is a fool.

This...the only way Butch is gone is if UT has a horrific incident off the field or the team quits on him. Unless Currie has "his guy" on the hook then Butch is safe. Otherwise, why make a change?

 

[Ten_Titans]

I don't think Currie wants to fire his head football coach in his first year on the job no matter how bad it gets. But anything worse that 8-4 will certainly crank up the hot seat talk for next year, and justifiably so.

Why not?

If Butch isn't your guy, why wait around to get your guy, for no reason?

I like Colin, and I also think it's funny you guys don't recognize the point of his shtick. Getting people talking about what he said is the point, and he knows good and well that our fanbase has this irrational woody for Butch Jones. Mission accomplished. You think he put up that graphic of Butch on a flaming chair to appear unbiased and rational? C'mon

Anyway, he won't get fired for those two games. But let's not pretend that if we do lose those, that we don't have a few more incoming.

 

[volfannbama]

Cowherds not an idiot, he is expanding his listenership into SEC country, thats all.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't think Currie wants to fire his head football coach in his first year on the job no matter how bad it gets. But anything worse that 8-4 will certainly crank up the hot seat talk for next year, and justifiably so.

Yep....

 

[Ten_Titans]

I don't think Currie wants to fire his head football coach in his first year on the job no matter how bad it gets. But anything worse that 8-4 will certainly crank up the hot seat talk for next year, and justifiably so.

I do not understand the logic here. Did he not fire the baseball coach his first month on the job?

The ADs primary job is managing personnel.

It's like saying a 5 star chef doesn't want to try new food his first year at a new restaurant, or a stockbroker doesn't want to do any buying/selling until a year as passed.

That's his job. If he doesn't think Butch is the guy, why would he wait just for the sake of waiting?

Is it a perception thing? He's afraid people with think he's taking over too fast. "Who does he think he is, the AD?"

 

[m1al]

Please don't start a thread with just a talking head's name, I thought he was injured!

He is.. Brain injury. Think he was dropped on his head as a child..

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The ADs primary job is managing personnel.

Hiring and firing (and mentoring and supporting and counselling and assisting) the team coaches is only one part of the AD's job.

Another part, just as big: managing a 9-digit annual budget. Construction and maintenance of facilities, hiring and firing and management of thousands of coaching and support staff.

Another part, just as big: coordinating the academic and athletic programs with the president, chancellor, and various school deans. The programs have to fit together well, whether we're talking camps, seasons, in-season practices, exams, etc for 20-odd different varsity teams. Scheduling alone is a nightmare of a job, but the coordination is on much more than just schedules.

Another part, just as big: NCAA compliance. Again, for 20-odd different teams in different sports. Huge, full-time job.

Another big part, could be full-time by itself: community outreach and community management (includes managing boosters and other VIPs).

And I'm sure there are other big parts that I'm just missing.

So the AD's job is a whole heckuva lot more than just sitting around being ready to hire and fire head coaches. That's a significant role, but not one he's gonna spend a significant percentage of his time on, most of the time.

In every way but job title, the dude is the CEO of a small corporation. Busy.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

He is.. Brain injury. Think he was dropped on his head as a child..

Oh, good.

I mean, I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[MoodyVol]

Jim Rome 2.whatever, without the thought process or talent. An ultimate troll, the guy that shows up on a "cut kittens" thread and talks about the taste of a deep fried Siamese.This guy is the the equivalent to a "click-bait" headline. No more, no less.

 

[volfan102455]

I do not understand the logic here. Did he not fire the baseball coach his first month on the job?

Dealing with a coach change for baseball is very different than dealing with change to the coaching staff that is responsible for the sport that FUNDS the entire athletic department.

You fire a coach that has:

- Back to back 9 wins seasons
- 3 consecutive bowl games and wins
- Sent 6 players to the NFL
- Repaired recruiting relationships
- Changed the culture and generated enough interest that the season tickets the last two years have been the highest in a long time

You had better hire someone that will continue to build on the momentum. And you better make sure the majority (not the vocal minority) agrees with the change. And you better make sure the hire does not blow up the roster or the 2018 recruiting.

While some want to make it seem like Dooley, this is not like Dooley at all - there has been good change, things are progressing upward, very positive change has happened and continues to happen with the football program.

It is easier to replace a coach when you are heading fast in the wrong direction - it is not that easy when progress is being made and is continuing to be made in a favorable direction.

 

[volfan102455]

I am so glad that some on here are not the ones in charge of making decisions in the AD.

You would fire Jones, hire someone else and if that person lost a game you didn't like you would fire him.

 

[YankeeVol]

Dealing with a coach change for baseball is very different than dealing with change to the coaching staff that is responsible for the sport that FUNDS the entire athletic department.

You fire a coach that has:

- Back to back 9 wins seasons
- 3 consecutive bowl games and wins
- Sent 6 players to the NFL
- Repaired recruiting relationships
- Changed the culture and generated enough interest that the season tickets the last two years have been the highest in a long time

You had better hire someone that will continue to build on the momentum. And you better make sure the majority (not the vocal minority) agrees with the change. And you better make sure the hire does not blow up the roster or the 2018 recruiting.

While some want to make it seem like Dooley, this is not like Dooley at all - there has been good change, things are progressing upward, very positive change has happened and continues to happen with the football program.

It is easier to replace a coach when you are heading fast in the wrong direction - it is not that easy when progress is being made and is continuing to be made in a favorable direction.

Didn't GA fire a guy who average 10 wins?

Back to back 9 win seasons shouldn't be that impressive at Tennessee (I get where we've been before him). Heading into year 5 he's yet to win the East. 9 wins is nice, but winning the East is what is needed to show progress.

He's at least shown the ability to try to improve the staff (I like the moves this year), and a heck of a recruiter. While all of that is nice, it's not the difference.

 

[BeecherVol]

All we had to do was beat the Powerhouses Vandy and SC.

FL didn't weasel their way in, Tennessee blew it big time.

It is what it is at this point. Let's see what happens this year.

He's posted that ignorance more than once.

 

[BeecherVol]

Didn't GA fire a guy who average 10 wins?

Back to back 9 win seasons shouldn't be that impressive at Tennessee (I get where we've been before him). Heading into year 5 he's yet to win the East. 9 wins is nice, but winning the East is what is needed to show progress.

He's at least shown the ability to try to improve the staff (I like the moves this year), and a heck of a recruiter. While all of that is nice, it's not the difference.

Good points.

UT fired a guy that had won a NC, the SEC (2) and the division 5 times.
1 of those the year before he was fired (10 win season) which come after a 9 win season.

 

[volfan102455]

Good points.

UT fired a guy that had won a NC, the SEC (2) and the division 5 times.
1 of those the year before he was fired (10 win season) which come after a 9 win season.

Apples to oranges in terms of how to evaluate the coaches IMO.

The two coaches you refer to were at there respective schools for 17 and 15 years. They both started with with programs that were already at the level Tennessee is at right now. Neither had to rebuild a roster. Neither had to rebuild the culture.

And it took one, Fulmer, 5 or 6 years (depending upon how you look at the split year) to win the SEC.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Good points.

UT fired a guy that had won a NC, the SEC (2) and the division 5 times.
1 of those the year before he was fired (10 win season) which come after a 9 win season.

I think alot of the decision makers and fans learned valuable lessons from that.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Apples to oranges in terms of how to evaluate the coaches IMO.

The two coaches you refer to were at there respective schools for 17 and 15 years. They both started with with programs that were already at the level Tennessee is at right now. Neither had to rebuild a roster. Neither had to rebuild the culture.

And it took one, Fulmer, 5 or 6 years (depending upon how you look at the split year) to win the SEC.

You shouldn't have to explain this to fans not under the age of 10.

Smh