Could Butch leave?

[MT LeConte]

SEC has turned into a real plum for coaches. Take the job, coach 3-4 years and leave with ten million dollars on your pocket. And it only gets better if you happen to win.

 

[Iam4utalways]

SEC has turned into a real plum for coaches. Take the job, coach 3-4 years and leave with ten million dollars on your pocket. And it only gets better if you happen to win.

So what your saying is, if you can get a HC job in the SEC, then take it. I agree to that 100%.

 

[driscokid]

Butch's resume' isn't even on the same planet as Miles'. Miles has won a natty, played in another, has never won fewer than 8 games, all being done in the toughest division in college football............Butch has a win against Georgia and 2 terrible South Carolina teams and the worst Mizzou team in Pinkel's tenure.

He has coached a lot longer but his record at OSU is not much different than Butch's. Can't compare with LSU. Miles didn't have to rebuild that program. I say they are about the same acumen and ability wise

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Don't know why anyone thinks CBJ would leave ATP. The 2016 east race comes down to UF and UT imo. Why would he leave now when we are getting ready to have a legit shot to play in ATL? Leaving for VA Tech? HA!

 

[fade route]

Im willing to bet you'd still find something negative to say even if Miles or Nick Saban for that matter, was our coach so what's the difference? You wouldn't like this and you wouldn't like that, blah blah blah. You'd never be satisfied with what any coach is doing. Do you have any proof that Miles would be successful here? No cause he isn't our coach. Butch is and he will be Tennessee's coach for the time being. I will continue to support him and hope that he wins a National Championship before he retires. Instead of worrying about the Butch Jones & Les Miles comparison, why don't you just enjoy this winning season that Butch put together you wanted so badly?

As usual you're being selective with your critique of me, cherry picking my posts that fit your "fade is a negavol" narrative. I didn't bring the Les Miles topic up, someone else did and I commented on it like many more have. As far as being negative on Butch, I praised the team and gave Butch credit for having the team focused in an emotionally charged game in Columbia with Pinkel's retirement. I hope Butch can elevate his coaching to the level that will bring championships to Tennessee, but he's not there yet and to say he is a better coach that Miles right now is just ridiculous.

 

[volinbama256]

I see OP has been sipping the shine a bit early this week....

 

[VolFreakJosh]

As usual you're being selective with your critique of me, cherry picking my posts that fit your "fade is a negavol" narrative. I didn't bring the Les Miles topic up, someone else did and I commented on it like many more have. As far as being negative on Butch, I praised the team and gave Butch credit for having the team focused in an emotionally charged game in Columbia with Pinkel's retirement. I hope Butch can elevate his coaching to the level that will bring championships to Tennessee, but he's not there yet and to say he is a better coach that Miles right now is just ridiculous.

In your post, you mentioned Butch Jones and Les Miles in the same sentence so I assumed you was comparing their track records but I don't know who brought it up in this thread. My apologies. I agree that Butch has a ways to go to get to Mile's level but it's possible for Butch to be very successful here. Just glad we're having winning seasons again instead of going 5-7 every year.

 

[VOLS4LIFE2015]

Could he leave....yes he could, he has the right to. I hope he doesnt, but he is a grown man and will do what he believes is best.

 

[photovol]

Does Butch Jones want to stick around and enjoy the success after 3 hard years of rebuilding, my guess would be that he does indeed want to reap the benefits of his efforts and wants to enjoy winning for a change......I would

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Im willing to bet you'd still find something negative to say even if Miles or Nick Saban for that matter, was our coach so what's the difference? You wouldn't like this and you wouldn't like that, blah blah blah. You'd never be satisfied with what any coach is doing. Do you have any proof that Miles would be successful here? No cause he isn't our coach. Butch is and he will be Tennessee's coach for the time being. I will continue to support him and hope that he wins a National Championship before he retires. Instead of worrying about the Butch Jones & Les Miles comparison, why don't you just enjoy this winning season that Butch put together you wanted so badly?

God forbid he discuss coaching resume comparisons in a hypothetical "what if jones leaves" thread on a football forum. Take a Xanax and chill man

 

[Volfan76]

Just stop it. If Butch were to leave, it would be because he he can't compete at this level and that would be a good thing if that's the case.

 

[JC61]

Interesting debate...at face value Miles has proven to be a better coach than Jones....he's definitely been at it a bit longer. As others have written...he wasn't all that stellar at OSU and LSU was gift wrapped by Saban for his first couple years. He had a bit of a slump year 4-5 but did bounce back for a couple. However, if you take the past 3 years in account...Miles appears (appears) to be regressing a bit. Jones has our VOLS poised to match or beat Miles' output in each of the last 3 years in SEC wins.

To add to that....Miles makes some of the wackiest game day calls I've ever seen...for a while, more often than not, it worked in his favor....but the past couple years...not so much.

Question is....do you really want to go with a guy who seems to be slipping the past few years, or the guy who appears to be on the rise.

 

[bbaker3119]

Just read these quotes on Tennessean.

Butch Jones: SEC coaching takes years off life

Now, I think it would be crazy to leave when you have the talent returning that Butch has, however, this does NOT sound like a coach that is loving the pressures of the SEC.

Any other thoughts? Insights? Could he pull an Urban?

In order to pull an Urban he'd need to win an NC

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Interesting debate...at face value Miles has proven to be a better coach than Jones....he's definitely been at it a bit longer. As others have written...he wasn't all that stellar at OSU and LSU was gift wrapped by Saban for his first couple years. He had a bit of a slump year 4-5 but did bounce back for a couple. However, if you take the past 3 years in account...Miles appears (appears) to be regressing a bit. Jones has our VOLS poised to match or beat Miles' output in each of the last 3 years in SEC wins.

To add to that....Miles makes some of the wackiest game day calls I've ever seen...for a while, more often than not, it worked in his favor....but the past couple years...not so much.

Question is....do you really want to go with a guy who seems to be slipping the past few years, or the guy who appears to be on the rise.

I wouldn't trade them because Jones IS improving our program and at this time we have no idea what his ceiling might be; but if Jones left and Miles was available, I certainly wouldn't shun the idea of hiring Miles. JMHO.

 

[KBVol]

I wouldn't trade them because Jones IS improving our program and at this time we have no idea what his ceiling might be; but if Jones left and Miles was available, I certainly wouldn't shun the idea of hiring Miles. JMHO.

Logical and reasonable.....as usual 87

 

[sjt18]

Of course he could. I don't think he will be an "in demand" choice for many if any of the openings but he could certainly leave. Programs looking for a coach see what we see and probably aren't too attracted to the "6 or 7" year talk either. That's not a great selling point for your next job when the program is probably hurting to start with. They see him building and recruiting well but see the same game day head scratchers we have.

The programs who could afford him are all or almost all Power 5 programs. I doubt even most Power 5 programs can afford him. Even if they can, few have the facilities and support that UT has and Jones would likely expect.


If UT has to replace Jones, it WILL be a top shelf opening. Jones has done some great foundation work. He's suffered through many of the problems that scared other coaches away. The roster has talent and enough depth for a good coach to win enough early to be safe. As mentioned, the facilities and support are top notch.


All that said, IMHO, Jones next stop is the NFL. I believe that's his "secret" ambition. I think if he were not to succeed at UT then he'll go as an assistant. If he does succeed then I think he will parlay that into a HC job in the NFL. I believe the worries of another program grabbing him at this point or of him leaving for another college job later are minimal.

 

[LA Vol]

No school is going to match CBJ's $3.7M salary plus pay a $4M buyout this year. Schools like VT, Miami, Illinois, etc. won't commit the funds, and the big booster schools-- especially SEC schools-- want to land a big name or score an up-and-comer at a bargain. CBJ isn't going anywhere this year.

 

[BruinVol]

I will say before reading these quotes I would have said cbj leaving was about 1%.

However I find these quotes very odd mainly because jones is always a robot with the media. Odd statements to me

Makes me think him leaving might not be so preposterous.

I give it a 10% chance the "noise" has really gotten to him and his family and he looks for a quieter place to coach with less competition and pressure

 

[chattavol420]

Just read these quotes on Tennessean.

Butch Jones: SEC coaching takes years off life

Now, I think it would be crazy to leave when you have the talent returning that Butch has, however, this does NOT sound like a coach that is loving the pressures of the SEC.

Any other thoughts? Insights? Could he pull an Urban?

I hope he leaves voluntarily. That would be the absolute best case scenario. Imagine what a great sideline coach with a pair invalid could do with all this talent. Justin Fuentes would be a slam dunk

 

[SaintLouisVol]

All that said, IMHO, Jones next stop is the NFL. I believe that's his "secret" ambition. . . . .

I think CBJ would be a horrible NFL coach. I can't see a lot of his shtick working on veteran NFL players.

But I agree that he may be interested in giving it a go. I would think most coaches would want to try it given the chance.

 

[Gibbs Hall 625]

It is that time of year for agents to float their coaches name out there and get the rumors going and money flowing.

Look for Butch to get a bump in salary and probably an extention. This is just a taste of what the next few years hold for this team and Butch is a huge reason why. And when you think or say he doesn't deserve it. Look at all the top 25 coaching salaries and remember the last 8-10 painful seasons. And pay the man what the market says to.

Also, just a move or two to strengthen the assistant coaching staff will help for the future (something Fulmer never did) and restore UT to the top.

GO VOLS!

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I will say before reading these quotes I would have said cbj leaving was about 1%.

However I find these quotes very odd mainly because jones is always a robot with the media. Odd statements to me

Makes me think him leaving might not be so preposterous.

I give it a 10% chance the "noise" has really gotten to him and his family and he looks for a quieter place to coach with less competition and pressure

Jones doesn't like the pressure, he appreciates the fan support but doesn't like the other side and after the loss to Arkansas this year it really got to him. I don't know this as fact but from what I understand Barb Jones isn't happy in Knoxville and wants out. Do I think Butch Jones will leave? No but it would be foolish to think it wouldn't happen given the circumstances. He's not happy from a personal stand point and it shows, he is happy from a football stand point though. So which out weighs the other? I think Jones is a great mid level coach who is growing his way into a good SEC coach if he can hang in for a little while longer.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I think CBJ would be a horrible NFL coach. I can't see a lot of his shtick working on veteran NFL players.

Butch's ego will never fly in the NFL, you can't be a control freak.

 

[Remy]

CBJ would be foolish at this point in his life to leave The Hill. However people sometimes do foolish things and if he wants to leave, don't let the door hit you in the xxx on the way out. UT Football is bigger than one person and if CBJ leaves, sure slide Les in, would not be a problem for me. If CBJ is staying, good for him. It's like I told present day wifey and an ex as well, I don't want to be with anyone who doesn't want to be with me, I keep no prisoners in my life. Same for CBJ you don't want to be on the The Hill and run America's finest college football team, then get the xxxx out.

 

[JC61]

I wouldn't trade them because Jones IS improving our program and at this time we have no idea what his ceiling might be; but if Jones left and Miles was available, I certainly wouldn't shun the idea of hiring Miles. JMHO.

I can appreciate your opinion / position...if he was the only or best option I wouldn't go bananas over the decision.