Connor O'Gara on Finebaum says

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Sara Clark said:
I don't know...think about it: What top tier coach is going to come in here with the NCAA breathing down our back, knowing we may have scholarship limitations, bowl game implications. It doesn't make us relevant any sooner, but maybe, assuming Steele doesn't get a three year contract, this might be the best scenario right now. I would rather, when the time comes, make a splash hire.
I know the argument is "our recruiting class". Well, if you can't do anything with 4-5 star recruits, their only as good as the paper those stars are written on. I hate every minute of it, I really do. And yes, to your comment, I think you're right, they brought him in, having a feeling they would have to go in this direction.
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I like this. This makes a lot of sense, wait on a splash hire for 2022.
 
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Vols1891 said:
It’s not like any open position though. When a position opens up at your company, are there entire message boards dedicated to discussing the hire?
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For a CEO position, possibly. Not on this level though. Still, go read about LSU's search with Ed O. Clearly the INTERVIEW got him the job. I think it is fair to let Steele at least interview and propose his plan. If he has a stronger plan to turn things around, perhaps hire him.
 
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Perspective said:
Will Plan D recruit at a “SEC level” in the next 10 months?

It’s not about recruiting right now imo.
The deterioration to the program from going with a Plan C/D and a temp in the next 10 months is likely less than going from a home run next December rather than a Plan C or Plan D now.

I’ll exchange a top-25 class for a top-35 one if it gets a top target next December
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So you are willing to ruin the classes of 2022, 2023, and 2024....because this "temporary staff" will not be here and relationships with a new coaching staff will not exist. Recruits will not give a damn what those temp coaches have to sell. We will be playing catch up until 2024 in recruiting. With that mentality we will be looking at bottom tier last place SEC recruiting ranks. Finishing around 35ish for 2 or 3 years.
 
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WesternNCVol said:
That’s the only reason I think we get Steele is major sanctions.

I doubt we get a top tier guy right now.

The question to me is do you try the up and coming small program head coach or budget Steele?

Tough times.
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To me..... We can get outta this quicker with a big time coach.. no interim, no coordinator that have no head coach experience...
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I could care less. If you wanna abandon the team then do it. Don’t post it just to get reactions. Which you did. If you can’t handle people criticizing you then don’t publicize your silly schoolyard rhetoric.
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Nope. Did not post it for reactions at all...posted it to make a statement. Agree/disagree/ignore or not--that is your option. But do not for a second try to understand why I do something or not. Last I understood, this is a UT athletic forum and members are allowed to make posts. You are free to ignore me all you want or put me on ignore--I really do not care. But there is no need for reactionary condescension about how I may feel about the laziness of the school and athletic program over the past 13+ years and the level of frustration that comes with that.

Finally, when did skipping the game on Saturday become abandoning the team? I suppose that is BOT wisdom as well there, isn't it?

Thanks for the input.
 
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Nice. Let's pay a guy 1.8 mil per year plus increase his salary every year by 5% to do NOTHING


I need to get in on this business sheesh
 
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Vols1891 said:
My point is that the optics of it matter, especially to potential recruits. Why would they want to come to a school that can’t even hire a coach?
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Here we go with the recruits comment... Tennessee through this entire down period hasn't had trouble getting recruits with the exception of Dooley who didn't visit high schools. The issue has been 5 stars playing like 2 stars... i.e. coaching and DEVELOPMENT. Look at Missouri with garbage recruiting classes. They have had far greater success than Tennessee over the last 10 years and never had a top ten recruiting classes. (I believe that Tennessee had at least 4-5 top ten classes during Butch Jones and Jeremy Pruitt eras).
 
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Vols1891 said:
I just think nothing looks worse than announcing a coaching search and then basically coming back and saying “hey, we struck out with everyone we talked to, so we are just going to roll with the interim coach who was already here.”
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It is what it is.
UT is a mess. A milk chocolaty cluster f***.
 
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Vols1891 said:
Looks matter a lot in college football, regardless of whether you agree with it or not...it matters to recruits and potential coaches.
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That’s how you end up like Tennessee. You don’t get forced into a hire based on short term looks. That’s weak leadership.


Let me trivialize it to help articulate. Would you take the short-term “looks” hit if you were confident Saban were on the other side?

The only question to waiting are whether the chances in landing a better coach are high. White should be good enough to know
 
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mad4vols said:
I like this. This makes a lot of sense, wait on a splash hire for 2022.
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It makes sense to me, maybe not others. By then, we'll know what the NCAA is going to do. I don't care what anyone says, that's going to be a problem for ANY top tier coach we would want. We're just not in a good place right now.
 
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This team is going to go 2-10 next year it won't be anymore attractive this year than next. On top of that I'll imagine we aren't going to be selling out the Stadium and will miss out on 2 recruiting classes. Shoot I guess living in VA I can start watching UVA and VA tech. If this happens UT football is the new Army Football
 
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Perspective said:
That’s how you end up like Tennessee. You don’t get forced into a hire based on short term looks. That’s weak leadership.


Let me trivialize it to help articulate. Would you take the short-term “looks” hit if you were confident Saban were on the other side?

The only question to waiting are whether the chances in landing a better coach are high. White should be good enough to know
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Of course, I would take a short term hit if I knew a Saban type coach was waiting on the other side. There is just no way you can ever know that though.
 
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I could see this as an interim step. However, I’m skeptical that Connor knows, this has been a pretty tight lipped search. I would say to stay patient, it took Bama 38 days to get Saban, DW has been on the job 5 days.
BTW, Marrone doesn’t look too bad now does it.
 
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People need to chill. I see people complaining about hiring Steele but LSU basically did the exact same thing 3 years go with Ed Odgeron. They went out and interviewed a bunch of people and then hired a coordinator at the school who was an interim. We now know why because Ed O was aggressive about fixing LSU's main problem (offense) and he did that by bringing in Joe Brady to fix the offense.
 
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amaralfan1 said:
I have my doubts that this report is true. Why would we bring in a homerun AD hire to tell us to stick with what we have? Pretty dangerous territory for someone just settling into the job.
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Exactly. I could have hired Kevin Steele and they wouldn’t have had to pay me $1.8 million.
 
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Sara Clark said:
It makes sense to me, maybe not others. By then, we'll know what the NCAA is going to do. I don't care what anyone says, that's going to be a problem for ANY top tier coach we would want. We're just not in a good place right now.
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Would also give someone like elliot on job training he wouldn't normally get however can recruit better than steele
 
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Perspective said:
That’s how you end up like Tennessee. You don’t get forced into a hire based on short term looks. That’s weak leadership.


Let me trivialize it to help articulate. Would you take the short-term “looks” hit if you were confident Saban were on the other side?

The only question to waiting are whether the chances in landing a better coach are high. White should be good enough to know
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I just think we need to make sure we exhaust other options before going with Steele. There are several good coaches out there. Just because a couple tell us no, it doesn’t mean we should panic and immediately hire Steele.
 
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