Congratulations CBJ. You've made it.

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Much of what they're saying is true. All CBJ has to do to change the story is coach a good game and win. Shouldn't be that hard.
 
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I don't disagree with that decision. You've got the ball on the 5, you may never get back that close. If it was 4th and 5 on the 25? Kick the field goal, but on the 5?? I say go for it. Writer is channeling his inner butch jones.

This is also a lose-lose decision. If he kicks the field goal and then the next drive stalls out in field goal range, he's called a moron.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't disagree with that decision. You've got the ball on the 5, you may never get back that close. If it was 4th and 5 on the 25? Kick the field goal, but on the 5?? I say go for it. Writer is channeling his inner butch jones.

This is also a lose-lose decision. If he kicks the field goal and then the next drive stalls out in field goal range, he's called a moron.
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No you have to kick the field goal to make it a one possession game. Not scoring a touchdown effectively ends the game.
 
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LA Vol said:
Much of what they're saying is true. All CBJ has to do to change the story is coach a good game and win. Shouldn't be that hard.
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Seems simple. Its kind of how the world works, even. I wonder if he just started thinking in the moment, what would happen. I think about him saying Dobbs wasn't a good practice player last 2 years then Dobbs would play decent. Perhaps there are just people that perform/ think better under pressure? I know that I speak a lot to large groups, and when I go up with notes or an outline, I seem to be less effective and more nervous. There's a freedom in just trusting I'm your preparation maybe. Now, I have never been a college football coach so I don't know if it is the same type of thing, but I do wonder if he is so tightly wound in games that just going with his gut feelings and feel of the game and trusting his preparation, would help. I have no idea, just thinking. May be way off.
 
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Boston Vol said:
No you have to kick the field goal to make it a one possession game. Not scoring a touchdown effectively ends the game.
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Again, I think you get that close... then its fine to go for it. If they kick the field goal and drive to the 20 and fail to get in the game is just as over and they still have the L. Miami had only found the endzone twice in that game. I don't have an issue with taking the shot when you have it.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, I think you get that close... then its fine to go for it. If they kick the field goal and drive to the 20 and fail to get in the game is just as over and they still have the L. Miami had only found the endzone twice in that game. I don't have an issue with taking the shot when you have it.
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I agree with you here. The issue is that people seem to only look at the last drive to decide if you screwed up a game or not. In this case they needed a field goal, a touchdown, and a defensive stop in order to tie. The article claims that since the order doesn't matter you kick the field goal and keep the game going hoping for a defensive stop, which is conventional thinking. This essentially is playing for overtime. By going for it you are playing for the win. Say you get the touchdown, which is well within reason at that down and distance. You're defense still has to make a stop, and then you're looking to drive for a field goal to tie or TD to win. Their defense can't play too stiff since they have to protect the end zone at all costs. This is a classic hindsight scenario. If they score he is a genius, and if they don't he is an idiot. I'll take a coach playing to win any day of the week.
 
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BleedingButch said:
In today's world he could change from an idiot to a genius in one day. He will have multiple chances to right the ship this season.
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Really? Out of curiosity, who did this? On a national scale, I mean. Not like just on a messageboard or in the mind of a theoretical fan, but who ("in today's world", so recently) was mocked by writers across the country for his coaching blunders and then was later hailed as a genius by those writers?

I'm just honestly curious, because I can't think of a good example.
 
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TN_Transplant said:
Yes, I agree. But the other sites are basically saying the same thing. If the trend continues, I'm afraid it could effect peoples opinions.



Wins and loses, do, that's true. And so far, we are losing the big games, and it's becoming a trend that are not only internet articles, but discussions on ESPN.

If the trend is not reversed it could effect recruiting. I hope it doesn't.
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Agree. Trend is heading the wrong way
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't disagree with that decision. You've got the ball on the 5, you may never get back that close. If it was 4th and 5 on the 25? Kick the field goal, but on the 5?? I say go for it. Writer is channeling his inner butch jones.

This is also a lose-lose decision. If he kicks the field goal and then the next drive stalls out in field goal range, he's called a moron.
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Sounds like damned if you do, damned if you don't. Golden doesn't consult the chart, goes with his gut and plays aggressively. It doesn't work out, and he's raked over the coals. If he gets the FG and they never get another opportunity, then he'll be vilified for taking the easy way and losing momentum.
 
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Spawn said:
So much *****ing and crying...suck it up, Butch is our coach. Watch or don't watch, but your *****ing and sniping just makes our fanbase look like idiots.
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Nah, I'll keep looking like an idiot. He is being paid around $3mil/year to win. If I'm an idiot for questioning his game management and decision making skills (especially on the heels of that debacle) then so be it.
 
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Butch is catching a lot heat from the OU and Florida game. I really hope he can coach our Vols to a W Saturday. It's almost a do or die for Butch in this game. If he loses to the Hogs it could possibly be the start of a down hill slide. Articles like this one getting out could be very bad for recruiting. I've got the feeling like some other Vols fans I've talked too, that if he don't get some of these big wins inside the SEC, it will probably be the last of the top ten recruiting classes. What makes it worse, is how he coached himself into a L.
 
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tnvols72 said:
The embarrassing part is when his miss Cleo chart failed him. Regardless of his unreliable chart, no way I would ever brought that chart up. All that did was confirm that he is clueless.
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I agree. I couldn't believe he brought that chart up. In all my years of watching coaches post game talks, I've never heard a coach bring up that he used a chart to make a critical decision in a game. Another thing that's really making it hard on Butch, is the way he answers most questions. He never gives a basic direct answer, it's always the coach talk answers. His answers almost sound like he's got them memorized. Don't get me wrong, I like Butch and I hope he gets it turned around, but he's going to have to make some serious changes with his in game coaching and his staff. I still don't understand the Debord hire, and why he would go with a guy who's been out of FB for as long as he has. This Arkansas game Saturday is going to tell us a lot. I just hope Butch has learned from his mistakes and coach our boys to our first conference win this season. Go Vols!
 
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VolBricks said:
When I lived in Austin, TX they called Bob Stoops "Big Game Bob" because he could never win the big game. I think It is now "Big Game Butch". Sad day for TN football.
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Big Game Bob got the nickname because he won the big games. He won his his first eight and 11 of his first 12 games against top 10 teams. It has leveled off since but that nickname was not a negative.
 
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I don't know what's worse, the fact that our coach is becoming a punchline nationally or the fact that so many of our fans seem to be enjoying it.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I don't know what's worse, the fact that our coach is becoming a punchline nationally or the fact that so many of our fans seem to be enjoying it.
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Yeah, it's Friday. I have had a week to pizz and moan. It is time to circle the wagons and get on to Arkansas. Go Vols
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I don't know what's worse, the fact that our coach is becoming a punchline nationally or the fact that so many of our fans seem to be enjoying it.
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I don't think anyone is enjoying it. But how do you defend it? You can't defend the defenseless. The fans certainly didn't do this to him, he accomplished it all on his on.

He wins the next three and I guarantee you that this will be a distant memory in the media's eye's.
 
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Boston Vol said:
No you have to kick the field goal to make it a one possession game. Not scoring a touchdown effectively ends the game.
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Why is that relevant? You know you have to score a touchdown eventually, so why pass up a decent opportunity? All things being equal, you're probably more likely to convert 4th and goal from the 5 (about 40%) than driving the length of the field with no timeouts in the last minute or two of the game (maybe 10-20%). Getting a touchdown earlier means you only have to get into field goal range on your final drive; the fact that you're confronting a decisive moment a few minutes earlier than expected doesn't change anything.

Al Golden may have made the wrong decision, but that depends on whether he's more likely to score a touchdown on that particular play or later in the game, not when the outcome of the game is decided. For example, if he was facing 4th and goal from the 20 yard line with 4 minutes left, he absolutely should have kicked the field goal. But if it was 4th and goal from the 1 yard line, he obviously should go for it.

By your logic, a team with 1st and goal at the 5 yard line should immediately kick the field goal. After all, a 20-yard field goal is a lot safer than risking a fumble or interception that could "effectively end the game" early.

I had this exact same argument with one of the smartest guys I know years ago in college about a similar scenario, and I originally shared your opinion. I was wrong.
 
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Boston Vol said:
I'm not talking about Internet fan boy sites or click bait writers. I'm talking legit national media guys and former players that have destroyed him the past five to six days.
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If former players and media weren't destroying him, then on the field results would be doing it all. People know what's going on regardless.
 
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If UT wins tomorrow - no matter how the calls are made, most of you slurpers will run and hide until the next loss. I say most simply because a few will hang around to piss & moan about something else that CBJ did. CBJ has done more good for the program than he has bad. STFU.
 
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MedicT said:
You think that's bad. Wait until the stories start about UT being the school where coaches go to throw away their career.
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No worries. Those stories won't be written until UT hires a coach who actually has a career. With past performance being a key indicator of future results, this may not happen for quite some time.
 
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