Colin Kaepernick Thread

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zjcvols said:
Not since the 2016 season. The Broncos tried to trade for him in the 2016 offseason but asked him to take a $5M pay cut. He has not been offered a job since 2016.
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He also turned down an offer from the Niners. Not everyone needs a backup QB, especially one that overvalues his worth, and if you’re not willing to accept that’s your role teams aren’t going to keep chasing you down. If the backup market is, say, $3M a year and you’re demanding $9M then you aren’t going to draw interest regardless of who you are. I made those numbers up but that appears to be what happened here back in 2016. And it also seems clear teams don’t want to put up with a circus for a backup QB.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
He also turned down an offer from the Niners. Not everyone needs a backup QB, especially one that overvalues his worth, and if you’re not willing to accept that’s your role teams aren’t going to keep chasing you down. If the backup market is, say, $3M a year and you’re demanding $9M then you aren’t going to draw interest regardless of who you are. I made those numbers up but that appears to be what happened here back in 2016. And it also seems clear teams don’t want to put up with a circus for a backup QB.
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The Niners did not offer him a contract after 2016. Nobody has offered him a contract after 2016. The Broncos offered a trade for him in 2016 (before the protests by the way) but wanted the 49ers to pay $5M or for him to take a pay cut. Both declined. The issue isn’t the money, it’s he’s not being offered a job period.
 
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zjcvols said:
The Niners did not offer him a contract after 2016. Nobody has offered him a contract after 2016. The Broncos offered a trade for him in 2016 (before the protests by the way) but wanted the 49ers to pay $5M or for him to take a pay cut. Both declined. The issue isn’t the money, it’s he’s not being offered a job period.
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Call it what you want. He opted out of a contract that was in place. I would consider a contract of employment to be an offer of employment but you clearly don’t. I laid out the reasons he isn’t playing. It is what it is. He has a chance to get back in now.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Call it what you want. He opted out of a contract that was in place. I would consider a contract of employment to be an offer of employment but you clearly don’t. I laid out the reasons he isn’t playing. It is what it is. He has a chance to get back in now.
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Yes, his contract was basically the same as the 49ers offering him $15 million to be a backup QB. They definitely would pay their backup Tom Brady money and definitely weren’t about to just cut him. Great point
 
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zjcvols said:
Not since the 2016 season. The Broncos tried to trade for him in the 2016 offseason but asked him to take a $5M pay cut. He has not been offered a job since 2016.
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Ravens were set to sign him until his girlfriend called their owner a slave trader and Ray Lewis as an Uncle Tom. Never contradicted Turtle Dove.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Yes, his contract was basically the same as the 49ers offering him $15 million to be a backup QB. They definitely would pay their backup Tom Brady money and definitely weren’t about to just cut him. Great point
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Thanks Nash. By the way, I never said how much money but are you purposefully being ignorant of the fact Kap opted out of his contract and then willfully ignoring the fact Denver offered a contract? The obsession some of you have with this topic is getting weird now.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Thanks Nash. By the way, I never said how much money but are you purposefully being ignorant of the fact Kap opted out of his contract and then willfully ignoring the fact Denver offered a contract? The obsession some of you have with this topic is getting weird now.
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I’m obsessed with facts. Your timeline is wrong. The Denver trade offer was during the season and while he was still under contract with SF (and before the kneeling controversy iirc). He opted out of SF at the end of the season. Denver did not offer him a contract as a FA.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
I’m obsessed with facts. Your timeline is wrong. The Denver trade offer was during the season and while he was still under contract with SF (and before the kneeling controversy iirc). He opted out of SF at the end of the season. Denver did not offer him a contract as a FA.
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Good for you. I have a fact for you. I never said what happened when. I only said he was offered opportunities to play and turned them down. Don’t forget that Baltimore also showed interest later.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Good for you. I have a fact for you. I never said what happened when. I only said he was offered opportunities to play and turned them down. Don’t forget that Baltimore also showed interest later.
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My bad. I must have misread the following:

but are you purposefully being ignorant of the fact Kap opted out of his contract and then willfully ignoring the fact Denver offered a contract?
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Today is exactly why I’ve been critical of Kap from the get go. It’s not about the kneeling, I don’t agree with it, but it is his right. I think he’s an idiot, a sideshow, that has no real objectives or plans for his “protest”. That stunt he pulled today was just another example of his bull$hit with the Kunta Kinte shirt, moving the workout and then having the Nike crew there to make a commercial. Nobody will want to sign some attention seeking distraction.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Today is exactly why I’ve been critical of Kap from the get go. It’s not about the kneeling, I don’t agree with it, but it is his right. I think he’s an idiot, a sideshow, that has no real objectives or plans for his “protest”. That stunt he pulled today was just another example of his bull$hit with the Kunta Kinte shirt, moving the workout and then having the Nike crew there to make a commercial. Nobody will want to sign some attention seeking distraction.
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Details on the “stunt he pulled”:

The NFL told the Kaepernick team there would be no media access to the workout, which the team agreed to. Kaepernick arrived in Atlanta Thursday. He was told it was unclear who his receivers would be. Uncomfortable, he agreed to fly in his own receivers at his own expense.

On Friday, in addition to not having media access, the NFL suggested that Kaepernick’s own team would be prohibited from filming the workout, thus leaving the NFL as the only entity with access to the video being sent to the 32 teams.

This was especially delicate because the Kaepernick team did not trust the footage the league would send out would be flattering. The fear was a 60-pass program might be edited down to his worst throws. The Kaepernick camp Friday night began preparing an alternate plan.
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It’s funny to me that the NFL is universally acknowledged as a terrible organization, but suddenly everyone assumes they’re blameless when Kaepernick is involved.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Good for you. I have a fact for you. I never said what happened when. I only said he was offered opportunities to play and turned them down. Don’t forget that Baltimore also showed interest later.
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The San Francisco “offer you play” was not an offer, he was about to get cut. They weren’t about to pay him tens of millions to be a backup. They certainly didn’t offer him $15 million a year after he opted out, so what makes you think they were planning on keeping him at that number before he opted out?

The Denver “offer to play” was a trade offer before the kneeling stuff even happened and has nothing to do with this.
 
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If Steven A Smith who has come to your defense every time this is brought up on tv and says “ you threw it all away I’m a matter of less than 3 hrs” it’s on you.

SAS: “ He just wants to be a martyr. He just wants to make noise and control the narrative”

This was never about him playing this about him pouting because everyone forgot about him. If he’s taking things serious and wants play you never should say the things he said after working out. Instead you call out the owners, coaches, and commissioner? This is why he’s not playing and won’t play. Me me me and if it’s not me I’m throwing a fit blaming someone else and going home.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The San Francisco “offer you play” was not an offer, he was about to get cut. They weren’t about to pay him tens of millions to be a backup. They certainly didn’t offer him $15 million a year after he opted out, so what makes you think they were planning on keeping him at that number before he opted out?

The Denver “offer to play” was a trade offer before the kneeling stuff even happened and has nothing to do with this.
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It’s was never about what he claims it is. It’s about not being the guy and whether or not he could grasp an offense.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Details on the “stunt he pulled”:



It’s funny to me that the NFL is universally acknowledged as a terrible organization, but suddenly everyone assumes they’re blameless when Kaepernick is involved.
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I was unaware that the NFL is universally acknowledged as a terrible organization. Of course it has It’s faults, but it sure seems like a lot of people work hard to get there and are rewarded handsomely. Kap made some money. A whole of money, that‘s for damn sure. Yet this guy shows up to a job interview wearing a Kunta Kinte shirt making a statement. I’m sure NFL execs are just falling all over themselves to sign a 2nd string QB distraction. I’m not saying that the NFL couldn’t have handled this situation differently overall, but Kap isn’t the victim that he paints himself to be. He could’ve handled the situation differently as well.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I was unaware that the NFL is universally acknowledged as a terrible organization. Of course it has It’s faults, but it sure seems like a lot of people work hard to get there and are rewarded handsomely. Kap made some money. A whole of money, that‘s for damn sure. Yet this guy shows up to a job interview wearing a Kunta Kinte shirt making a statement. I’m sure NFL execs are just falling all over themselves to sign a 2nd string QB distraction. I’m not saying that the NFL couldn’t have handled this situation differently overall, but Kap isn’t the victim that he paints himself to be. He could’ve handled the situation differently as well.
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Anyone “distracted” by a Kunta Kinte shirt is looking for a distraction
 
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People who hate Kaep will never try to see his side of it. The NFL didn't want transparency because they didn't want us to know how well he threw. Now that we know he looked good, it's harder to keep him out of the league. For the critics saying it's never been about playing...then why was he ready? The opposite is true. For the NFL, it wasn't about Kaep playing. It was all for show. The irony is overwhelming

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NashVol11 said:
Anyone “distracted” by a Kunta Kinte shirt is looking for a distraction
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He already has been a distraction. Maybe it was the previous history of the pig socks before that or the Castro t-shirt? If he wants to play and is serious about playing he doesn’t have much room to have people question his motives. If he wants so bad to play for this unfair League then don’t show up for a job interview with a t-shirt with the name of a fictional character who was a slave in Roots and leave it open for interpretation. Show up, go through your workout and don’t make it a bigger spectacle than it already was.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
He already has been a distraction. Maybe it was the previous history of the pig socks before that or the Castro t-shirt? If he wants to play and is serious about playing he doesn’t have much room to have people question his motives. If he wants so bad to play for this unfair League then don’t show up for a job interview with a t-shirt with the name of a fictional character who was a slave in Roots and leave it open for interpretation. Show up, go through your workout and don’t make it a bigger spectacle than it already was.
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"Your name is Toby, boy."

If a t-shirt of a completely uncontroversial character is a problem for people, then they are the problem.

For the record, what interpretation do you find troubling?
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
He already has been a distraction. Maybe it was the previous history of the pig socks before that or the Castro t-shirt? If he wants to play and is serious about playing he doesn’t have much room to have people question his motives. If he wants so bad to play for this unfair League then don’t show up for a job interview with a t-shirt with the name of a fictional character who was a slave in Roots and leave it open for interpretation. Show up, go through your workout and don’t make it a bigger spectacle than it already was.
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NBA players routinely treat every game as a fashion show, with outfits far more attention-grabbing than a Kunta Kinte T-shirt. Imagine being the guy saying “how dare they show up wearing that”
 
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I don’t know if I find it troubling, but unless he made a statement as to why he wore that particular shirt then it leaves a lot open to interpretation as to why he wore a shirt with the name Kunta Kinte. If he’s some how making a parallel between himself and a slave then i do find that to be troubling. I don’t know if that’s what he was going for, but he left that open to interpretation to people who Have a much Larger impact on his life than I do.
 
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