Coaching Search Thread

[Unimane]

I think if we could get the stability and "weight" of Rick Barnes in here, we take it and never look back. He's a guy that wouldn't be dwarfed by guys like Cal or Donavan, knows how to recruit, and could point to some NBA guys to attest to his development ability.

Barnes would lose 9 out of 10 times to those guys. He is the biggest underachiever in college basketball.

 

[JMSqb11]

Barnes would lose 9 out of 10 times to those guys. He is the biggest underachiever in college basketball.

He brings stability. That is the number one thing UT needs right now. No ncaa baggage. Strong recruiting. Repairing the image. Please tell me where Barnes is a liability in any of those.

Also, I love all the future predictors in here. If Yall know he will be a failure, why didn't you tell Hart about Tyndall so we could avoid this mess?

 

[Unimane]

He brings stability. That is the number one thing UT needs right now. No ncaa baggage. Strong recruiting. Repairing the image. Please tell me where Barnes is a liability in any of those.

Also, I love all the future predictors in here. If Yall know he will be a failure, why didn't you tell Hart about Tyndall so we could avoid this mess?

Future? How about his past? He has been the same thing for years now, a coach who collects talent and then does nothing with it.

Stability is nonsense. The job is to build a program and win, period. Saying we want a drama free coach who can just get to the tournament defeats the entire purpose of having a big time program. This idea that we just need to get someone to hold the fort down for a while is nonsense. Get a good coach, let him do his thing and win, simple.

The fact that the UT AD has been so shambolic that we've convinced ourselves that "stability" is the overriding concern is the reason we have had such terrible results recently.

 

[JMSqb11]

Future? How about his past? He has been the same thing for years now, a coach who collects talent and then does nothing with it.

Stability is nonsense. The job is to build a program and win, period. Saying we want a drama free coach who can just get to the tournament defeats the entire purpose of having a big time program. This idea that we just need to get someone to hold the fort down for a while is nonsense. Get a good coach, let him do his thing and win, simple.

The fact that the UT AD has been so shambolic that we've convinced ourselves that "stability" is the overriding concern is the reason we have had such terrible results recently.

WE ARE NOT A BIG TIME PROGRAM. I love how you assume we will be a team that has a realistic shot at making the tourney next year. We will be lucky to sniff a 500 record. We are possibly looking at multiple players transferring. We will be lucky to field a roster that isn't half walk ons. I would rather get to the tourney every year because we had a stable foundation laid. You don't know how Barnes would fare here. So quit acting like it. The only reason people defend us hiring Barnes is because of the stability he brings. And saying that stability shouldn't be the main goal in our hire shows how silly you are.

 

[Unimane]

WE ARE NOT A BIG TIME PROGRAM. I love how you assume we will be a team that has a realistic shot at making the tourney next year. We will be lucky to sniff a 500 record. We are possibly looking at multiple players transferring. We will be lucky to field a roster that isn't half walk ons. I would rather get to the tourney every year because we had a stable foundation laid. You don't know how Barnes would fare here. So quit acting like it. The only reason people defend us hiring Barnes is because of the stability he brings. And saying that stability shouldn't be the main goal in our hire shows how silly you are.

I'm tired of this defeatist crap. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY A BIG TIME PROGRAM WITH THE RIGHT HIRE. We have money facilities, exposure, etc. in place for someone to come in and win. We have had coaches who did before and we can again.

No one's saying it has to be next year, but, as I said, you get a guy to build a program and win. Simple.

Barnes is 60 years old with nearly 30 years in the game. You are a damn fool if you think you are getting something different than he already is.

And, yes, stability is a crap reason to hire someone. Garbage. Worthless. Useless. Nonsense. Utter defeatist tripe. Winning is its own stability and that's the job, to win. So, hire someone who you think will make a winner, not simply a babysitter who will make sure there are no fires to put out.

 

[OrangeInKy]

Sorry, I don't mean to laugh but I do.

Why do our fans think Brad Stevens is attainable?

Can't pull a guy out of Cincy, Wichita, or VCU.... but totally pulling a guy from the Boston Celtics. Not to mention one of the most in demand guys for college jobs.

 

[JMSqb11]

I'm tired of this defeatist crap. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY A BIG TIME PROGRAM WITH THE RIGHT HIRE. We have money facilities, exposure, etc. in place for someone to come in and win. We have had coaches who did before and we can again.

No one's saying it has to be next year, but, as I said, you get a guy to build a program and win. Simple.

Barnes is 60 years old with nearly 30 years in the game. You are a damn fool if you think you are getting something different than he already is.

And, yes, stability is a crap reason to hire someone. Garbage. Worthless. Useless. Nonsense. Utter defeatist tripe. Winning is its own stability and that's the job, to win. So, hire someone who you think will make a winner, not simply a babysitter who will make sure there are no fires to put out.

Honest question: how drunk are you? Even Coach K, Izzo, Cal, Ryan, or Self would need 3 years to build us back up. Anyone who thinks we are a tourney team in 3 or less years is drunk or insane. Or both.

 

[JohnMcA60]

I'm tired of this defeatist crap. WE ARE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY A BIG TIME PROGRAM WITH THE RIGHT HIRE. We have money facilities, exposure, etc. in place for someone to come in and win. We have had coaches who did before and we can again.

No one's saying it has to be next year, but, as I said, you get a guy to build a program and win. Simple.

Barnes is 60 years old with nearly 30 years in the game. You are a damn fool if you think you are getting something different than he already is.

And, yes, stability is a crap reason to hire someone. Garbage. Worthless. Useless. Nonsense. Utter defeatist tripe. Winning is its own stability and that's the job, to win. So, hire someone who you think will make a winner, not simply a babysitter who will make sure there are no fires to put out.

And then we keep doing it over and over and over until one sticks in 10 years or so. Man gotta love Ut. Oh well it's almost football time

 

[Unimane]

Honest question: how drunk are you? Even Coach K, Izzo, Cal, Ryan, or Self would need 3 years to build us back up. Anyone who thinks we are a tourney team in 3 or less years is drunk or insane. Or both.

OK, so it takes 3-4 years, which can be done. That's called building a program. How is this hard for you, in your sober state?

 

[volgrad500]

Barnes would lose 9 out of 10 times to those guys. He is the biggest underachiever in college basketball.

He's been at Texas since '99 and missed the tournament once in that time. He has 2 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, and one final four during that time. I wish to hell we could have some of that underachievement here.

 

[Burger]

Future? How about his past? He has been the same thing for years now, a coach who collects talent and then does nothing with it.

Stability is nonsense. The job is to build a program and win, period. Saying we want a drama free coach who can just get to the tournament defeats the entire purpose of having a big time program. This idea that we just need to get someone to hold the fort down for a while is nonsense. Get a good coach, let him do his thing and win, simple.

The fact that the UT AD has been so shambolic that we've convinced ourselves that "stability" is the overriding concern is the reason we have had such terrible results recently.

I wonder how our fans feel personally about risk. Would our fans prefer to have bonds which are a guaranteed 2% or would you rather have a potential growth stock?

I would prefer someone with massive upside like Holtman, Underwood, or Wade. We do have the potential to become an elite program. It may not look like it right now, but UT can do it.

Hiring the former Texas coach would be like investing in bonds. You're guaranteed a mediocre return. Hiring any of the three + guys who've been mentioned who are younger are like investing in stocks. You may lose, but you can win in a huge way.

 

[Insunseri]

 

[volgrad500]

I wonder how our fans feel personally about risk. Would our fans prefer to have bonds which are a guaranteed 2% or would you rather have a potential growth stock?

I would prefer someone with massive upside like Holtman, Underwood, or Wade. We do have the potential to become an elite program. It may not look like it right now, but UT can do it.

Hiring the former Texas coach would be like investing in bonds. You're guaranteed a mediocre return. Hiring any of the three + guys who've been mentioned who are younger are like investing in stocks. You may lose, but you can win in a huge way.

You may also wind up living in your car.

 

[Burger]

You may also wind up living in your car.

I hope that people would know to invest only discretionary income. People should never invest income they have to live on.

 

[Ace]

I have not seen anyone mention Lawrence Frank. What would a UT coaching search be without bringing up his name? FYI, he was a UT assistant under ONeil and he may or may not own land in East TN. Not sure if his wife cheered at UT.

 

[TNHopeful505]

Has anyone mentioned Bryce Drew at Valparaiso? Has been there four years, and has done a pretty good job. Made the NCAA tourney 2 times (including this year), and the NIT once. Brother of Scott Drew.

Might be a good up and comer. Has done a good job there. Came within 3 points of beating Maryland this year in the first round.

He's one I would be okay with if we didn't shell out for a big name.

 

[kevino]

I have not seen anyone mention Lawrence Frank. What would a UT coaching search be without bringing up his name? FYI, he was a UT assistant under ONeil and he may or may not own land in East TN. Not sure if his wife cheered at UT.

Frank is a terrible coach

 

[VonoreVol]

Don't talk about coach Tibs like that man.

Tibs is one of the best NBA coaches in the league. Injury problems are the only thing keeping him from NBA titles. Injuries aside, he still wins basketball games and his teams actually play defense unlike most NBA teams. Firing Tibs for anyone else would be ridiculous.

 

[VonoreVol]

I agree that Crean's seat is far less as hot as Barnes'. Texas hasn't appeared too happy with Barnes for the last few years. I think if the right situation appeared, then Texas and Barnes would find a way to separate amicably. More so that Crean.

I had forgotten that Crean had eaten so many losses early on in his stint at IU. He's been shown that he can recruit and turn a program around, that's for sure. I think you are right that he's probably one more year away from IU having to make a decision.

With this "realistic" list, I'd be fine with hiring Barnes at this point. I'm tired of trying to catch lightning in a bottle with so called "up in coming" coaches. That's been our cycle and you see where it keeps getting us.

 

[VonoreVol]

Things I like about Underwood:

-Fast pace, forces turnovers, hammers boards. You guys like Shaka, right?
-Team-oriented guy. Lots of passing to find open shot.
-Unlike Donnie, actually guards the three-point line!

Don't like:

-That defensive free throw rate. You can't be handing out free throws that much in Power 5 hoops.
-The offensive assist rate. You can be team-oriented to a fault.

I like your thought process and breakdown and would be happy with Underwood. Thing is, if you play face paced, aggressive defense that leads to turnovers, you're going to give up quite a few free throws due to the style of defense. Personally, I'd be ok with this as I'm a fan of this brand of basketball. Very exciting to watch. Must have decent depth to play this style and right now we don't have it. It would take time, but any coach is going to require time and patience to turn this program around.

 

[TooLegit2Quit]

Honest question: how drunk are you? Even Coach K, Izzo, Cal, Ryan, or Self would need 3 years to build us back up. Anyone who thinks we are a tourney team in 3 or less years is drunk or insane. Or both.

This isn't football, it only takes one recruiting class in basketball to be successful. Especially looking at the names listed.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Our newly renovated athletic department?

 

[rynrem]

Our next coach will be.....Steve Prohm.....simply because he is a Bama grad. We all know how this administration likes to pull those Bama guys in

 

[bnhunt]

Chris Mack would top my list of what I think are realistic candidates. Xavier is his alma mater so he probably has deep roots there, but UT could certainly give him a huge raise.

ZERO experience recruiting in the south.

 

[bnhunt]

He's been at Texas since '99 and missed the tournament once in that time. He has 2 sweet 16s, 2 elite 8s, and one final four during that time. I wish to hell we could have some of that underachievement here.

Exactly. Barnes has been to the tourney 2 more times than UT's program. I'll sign up for that underachievement any day. Man, we have some really delisional fans.