Coaching gigs that are better than UT

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#152
lawgator1 said:
I don't dispute those as parts of the calculus. But, right now, the UT fan base would be viewed by many potential candidates as a liability to their standing, not an asset.
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You are correct. Difficult times for The Univeristy of Tennessee. Urban pulled a Coach "K". That is not our concern. Best to him and his family, his health is "THE" focus......maybe if the DR. prescibes seven, 5 star recruits, he will be OK. Real story... his arse was kicked by Bama....he took his ball and went home...:mf_surrender:
 
#153
#153
Right now TN is not in the top 15 nationally, in the SEC alone I would rank them as:
1. Florida - Rabid fan base and the best state in the SEC for recruiting
2. Alabama - Rich in tradition, in state recruiting
3. LSU - Night games in Baton Rouge, in state recruiting
4. Auburn - Great fan base, in state recruiting
5 Georgia - In state recruiting
6. Kentucky - 1 game above .500 and you have a job for life
7. Ole Miss - Nearby states for recruiting, expectations not as high
8. Miss State - See Kentucky example
9. Tennessee - Good facilities and tradition, fan base borderline fanatic, terrible in state recruiting, have to travel nationally to get enough recruits to field a team.
10. Vanderbilt - Higher academic standards and lower expectation fan base
11. South Carolina - no tradition and still viewed as an ACC school
12. Arkansas - not as much tradition as TN, still viewed more like a big 12 team then sec.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, I bet ESPN's documentary didn't help Miami's recruiting at all. Miami has played in 4 BCS bowls since Tennessee last participated in one. Don't kid yourself about what Tennessee is right now.
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Just a few weeks ago we were all talking about 2011 going to be our year for winning the SEC. Do you think losing Kiffin has changed thing that drastically? I mean yes, he left this years recruiting class in a mess. If we salvage a top 15 or so class this year I think we can still be somewhat positive about this teams future. Unless Dooley turns out to be a complete flop.
 
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GmanTN said:
Right now TN is not in the top 15 nationally, in the SEC alone I would rank them as:
1. Florida - Rabid fan base and the best state in the SEC for recruiting
2. Alabama - Rich in tradition, in state recruiting
3. LSU - Night games in Baton Rouge, in state recruiting
4. Auburn - Great fan base, in state recruiting
5 Georgia - In state recruiting
6. Kentucky - 1 game above .500 and you have a job for life
7. Ole Miss - Nearby states for recruiting, expectations not as high
8. Miss State - See Kentucky example
9. Tennessee - Good facilities and tradition, fan base borderline fanatic, terrible in state recruiting, have to travel nationally to get enough recruits to field a team.
10. Vanderbilt - Higher academic standards and lower expectation fan base
11. South Carolina - no tradition and still viewed as an ACC school
12. Arkansas - not as much tradition as TN, still viewed more like a big 12 team then sec.
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You're basing rankings on which teams have lower expectations? I'd say that at the moment, UT has the fourth best job in the conference, with UF, Bama, and LSU in front. Traditionally, I'd have UT over LSU, but things are just chaotic at the moment.
 
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GmanTN said:
Right now TN is not in the top 15 nationally, in the SEC alone I would rank them as:
1. Florida - Rabid fan base and the best state in the SEC for recruiting
2. Alabama - Rich in tradition, in state recruiting
3. LSU - Night games in Baton Rouge, in state recruiting
4. Auburn - Great fan base, in state recruiting
5 Georgia - In state recruiting
6. Kentucky - 1 game above .500 and you have a job for life
7. Ole Miss - Nearby states for recruiting, expectations not as high
8. Miss State - See Kentucky example
9. Tennessee - Good facilities and tradition, fan base borderline fanatic, terrible in state recruiting, have to travel nationally to get enough recruits to field a team.
10. Vanderbilt - Higher academic standards and lower expectation fan base
11. South Carolina - no tradition and still viewed as an ACC school
12. Arkansas - not as much tradition as TN, still viewed more like a big 12 team then sec.
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Agree with 1-3, but the rest of this list is utter crap.
 
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GmanTN said:
Right now TN is not in the top 15 nationally, in the SEC alone I would rank them as:
1. Florida - Rabid fan base and the best state in the SEC for recruiting
2. Alabama - Rich in tradition, in state recruiting
3. LSU - Night games in Baton Rouge, in state recruiting
4. Auburn - Great fan base, in state recruiting
5 Georgia - In state recruiting
6. Kentucky - 1 game above .500 and you have a job for life
7. Ole Miss - Nearby states for recruiting, expectations not as high
8. Miss State - See Kentucky example
9. Tennessee - Good facilities and tradition, fan base borderline fanatic, terrible in state recruiting, have to travel nationally to get enough recruits to field a team.
10. Vanderbilt - Higher academic standards and lower expectation fan base
11. South Carolina - no tradition and still viewed as an ACC school
12. Arkansas - not as much tradition as TN, still viewed more like a big 12 team then sec.
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The whole philosophy behind your list is just wrong. Kentucky is better then us because you can go .500 and keep your job, the good coaches in this profession are in it to win. We are 4th at worst due to our national recruiting capabilities, facilities, fan base, tradition and money.
 
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**ORANGEBLOOD** said:
Just a few weeks ago we were all talking about 2011 going to be our year for winning the SEC. Do you think losing Kiffin has changed thing that drastically? I mean yes, he left this years recruiting class in a mess. If we salvage a top 15 or so class this year I think we can still be somewhat positive about this teams future. Unless Dooley turns out to be a complete flop.
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Not speaking for Hat, but yes. I do. Even if you take recruiting out of the equation, I think that that staff had clearly established itself as a group that could go toe to toe with Alabama and Florida. That was the best-coached Tennessee team we've seen in years. Given three years of their recruiting classes, the sky was the limit. Now we've got not only a precarious recruiting position, but unknowns across the board at actually coaching. We're going to go from Monte Kiffin to somebody's linebacker coach as DC. We're going from a head coach who, jackass or not, held his own against Meyer and Saban to somebody who's going to have to prove that he's not a punching bag. Things have gone from a seemingly linear, inevitable progression towards an SEC championship to everything being a real longshot.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Not speaking for Hat, but yes. I do. Even if you take recruiting out of the equation, I think that that staff had clearly established itself as a group that could go toe to toe with Alabama and Florida. That was the best-coached Tennessee team we've seen in years. Given three years of their recruiting classes, the sky was the limit. Now we've got not only a precarious recruiting position, but unknowns across the board at actually coaching. We're going to go from Monte Kiffin to somebody's linebacker coach as DC. We're going from a head coach who, jackass or not, held his own against Meyer and Saban to somebody who's going to have to prove that he's not a punching bag. Things have gone from a seemingly linear, inevitable progression towards an SEC championship to everything being a real longshot.
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I agree with this assessment.
 
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tvolsfan said:
You're basing rankings on which teams have lower expectations? I'd say that at the moment, UT has the fourth best job in the conference, with UF, Bama, and LSU in front. Traditionally, I'd have UT over LSU, but things are just chaotic at the moment.
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Georgia's a better job than UT to an outsider looking in. Comparable facilities, Athens > Knoxville, and a vastly better recruiting base.
 
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#162
tvolsfan said:
You're basing rankings on which teams have lower expectations? I'd say that at the moment, UT has the fourth best job in the conference, with UF, Bama, and LSU in front. Traditionally, I'd have UT over LSU, but things are just chaotic at the moment.
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I base my rankings on the ability for a college to be able to get a guy to coach for them. I have lived in Knoxville my whole life and have supported the Vols. At some point you have to remove your orange colored glasses. Coach A wants to take a crack at the SEC to improve his coaching stock. A job like KY or Vandy allows you to gain experience and not be required to compete for division or national championships.
Coach B thinks he has what it takes so he would look at Fl, Bama or LSU because he knows the recruits are easier to come by.
Coach C takes on a program that is a pressure cooker, has to recruit nationally, still cannot get the athletes to compete with Coach B, that is UT
 
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#164
IMHO
Texas is the best job in the country. Great recruiting area, large stadium, passionate fans, admin that will let in marginal students to play football, some very very wealthy alums who will pay under the table.

Florida is next. Not as many super wealthy alums.

After some drop off I would have

Next for me would be Alabama.

After that it is hard to tell.
Notre Dame is too tough academically. Hard to say what Penn State will demand after Paterno leaves.

USC is not a top job right now as long as Mike Garrett is AD.

SoCal
 
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GmanTN said:
I base my rankings on the ability for a college to be able to get a guy to coach for them. I have lived in Knoxville my whole life and have supported the Vols. At some point you have to remove your orange colored glasses. Coach A wants to take a crack at the SEC to improve his coaching stock. A job like KY or Vandy allows you to gain experience and not be required to compete for division or national championships.
Coach B thinks he has what it takes so he would look at Fl, Bama or LSU because he knows the recruits are easier to come by.
Coach C takes on a program that is a pressure cooker, has to recruit nationally, still cannot get the athletes to compete with Coach B, that is UT
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You don't follow recruiting. And nobody wants coach A in the first place.
 
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SoCalFan said:
IMHO
Texas is the best job in the country. Great recruiting area, large stadium, passionate fans, admin that will let in marginal students to play football, some very very wealthy alums who will pay under the table.

Florida is next. Not as many super wealthy alums.

After some drop off I would have

Next for me would be Alabama.

After that it is hard to tell.
Notre Dame is too tough academically. Hard to say what Penn State will demand after Paterno leaves.

USC is not a top job right now as long as Mike Garrett is AD.

SoCal
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The interesting thing is that everybody is putting Alabama so high, because it demonstrates how fluid this whole thing is. A few years ago that was regarded as a radioactive job because of how unreasonable expectations were. Then all it takes is adding a great coach to an already talented but underachieving team and boom, it's abruptly one of the best three jobs in the country. Perceptions change quickly.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The interesting thing is that everybody is putting Alabama so high, because it demonstrates how fluid this whole thing is. A few years ago that was regarded as a radioactive job because of how unreasonable expectations were. Then all it takes is adding a great coach to an already talented but underachieving team and boom, it's abruptly one of the best three jobs in the country. Perceptions change quickly.
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Agreed, might I add that salary makes the Bama job much more appealing now, they weren't offering 4.5 million a year a few years ago either. Massive paychecks tend to have an appeal to them.
 
#168
#168
At the moment, Tennessee just isn't an elite job. Is the football program elite? Yes. However, with the current gap in the talent level of Tennessee from Alabama and Florida it means that our program will need a couple of years to catch up. Most coaches realize that the Tennessee coach is going to be on the hot seat if he doesn't start beating those schools in 3 years time, which is hard to do. To summarize, the situation Tennessee is currently in makes this job less appealing at the moment. Our facilities, fan base, TV exposure, history, tradition, recruiting budget, etc. make us top 5 easily, but we are just at a bad point right now. In 2002 Tennessee could have hired anyone in the country to coach because we were in a good position talent-wise. It can all change, Tennessee is a school that has the resources to be up there with the USC's and Florida's, but we just aren't at that point right now.
 
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#169
This is the most subjective topic ever, and it will radically change EVERY 3-4 years.

I think the Pool looks like this:

A+ Jobs: Notre Dame, Texas, USC, Bama, Florida, Ohio State

A Jobs: Michigan, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Penn State, Oklahoma

A- Jobs: Fla State, Auburn, Oregon, Nebraska, Miami

B+ Jobs: Iowa, Clemson, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Va Tech, UCLA

B Jobs: Ga Tech, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Oklahoma State, Wisconsin, Mich State, Az State, Oregon State


I think each of those jobs on the same level are pretty equal to each other. Some are more attractive in certain years, but generally, these are the level of these programs in terms of $$, facilities, national attention, tradition.
 
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DC Vol said:
This has been discussed before, but this is my list (just a repost):

1. Texas
2. USC
3. Florida
4. LSU
5. Alabama
6. Ohio State
7. Oklahoma
8. Notre Dame
9. Miami
10. Georgia
11. Penn State
12. Michigan
13. Oregon
14. Nebraska
15. Tennessee

And the distance between the Top 3 and the rest is ridiculous.
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Pretty good list, but Oregon should no way be ahead of Tennessee or Nebraska!
 
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#173
B Jobs are the best.......

Tennessee may not have a hotbed of talent to recruit from but it shares borders with 8 other states so I don't think we are very geographically handicapped when it comes to recruiting. No way should we ever finish with a 38 th ranked recruiting class like we did a few years ago, but I digress because this is about the job and not recruiting.

UT (non Texas) has a rabid fan base, only rivaled by Bammer, ND, LSU, Michigan & Ohio State. I guess you can throw the Gators in there too.

UT has facilities that I hear are tops in the country, if that is true I don't know.

UT has the best boosters in the game.

Gameday atmosphere top 5

Give me some more categories.
 
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tvolsfan said:
You're basing rankings on which teams have lower expectations? I'd say that at the moment, UT has the fourth best job in the conference, with UF, Bama, and LSU in front. Traditionally, I'd have UT over LSU, but things are just chaotic at the moment.
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In the sec I agree, but irregardless the the state of ut, lsu is a better job. One of the few athletic depts with more money, rabid fans, current roster has good tallent and all of Louisiana and east tx to recruit from? That's almost as rediculous as miami.

I would put Georgia on the same level as ut, but you could easily say that the in state tallent puts it above ut. I'm rating these from the perspective of desirability of the head coaching position.

I keep seeing where people are saying the program is not as desirable based on the coaches that weren't interested in the job. That's silly. If you don't realize just how much this search was affected by the timing of the opening, then you probably can't process a rational analysis of the factors that determine the value of a program, or your agenda is to just annoy people on the board.
 
#175
#175
Depends on whether one equates easiest with best. In terms of easiest -- easiest to recruit talent, easiest to win the most games, easiest to conference titles, easiest to the BCS, easiest to national titles, etc...that would be:

Tier 1
1: USC, far and away (richest recruiting grounds with least competition for recruits or on the field)

Tier 2
2.Texas (tied for richest recruiting grounds, but must compete with OU & A&M in some parts of the state, as well as 2nd tier BCS programs in other parts of the state, but mid-level competition in Big 12 substitutes)
3.Florida (tied for richest recruiting grounds, but must compete in part of the state with Miami & another part of the state with Florida State & Georgia, plus SEC schedule)
4. Alabama (rich recruiting from being smack dab in the middle of the deep south, with Atlanta to Memphis within a 5 hour drive of campus, but SEC competition)
5. LSU or Ohio State or Georgia or Oklahoma (good recruiting grounds, but often over-depend on in-state "great" years to compete with the elite 4)

Tier 3
9. Penn State (ain't been the same since the steel mills started leavin')
10. Texas A&M (always in the shadow of their "UT")
11. UCLA (basketball reigns, not football, for L.A. commits)
12. Florida State (another sister school in the shadow of the banner state school)
13. Miami (too-far-down locale & iffy facilities diminishes appeal)

Tier 4
14. Clemson (good recruiting region & ACC competition; wonder what would happen if they could ever do for in-state talent what Saban did at LSU & Bama)
15. South Carolina (share with Clemson but must compete in SEC)
16. North Carolina (a dozen or NFL-type talents a year in-state with ACC schedule)
17. Cal (academics appeals to some & forecloses others, but plenty of Bay talent)
18. Michigan (decent regional talent with national prominence as a program)

Tier 5
19. Notre Dame (national appeal and co-religionist pitch, but academics and lack of local talent base still a problem)
20. Tennessee (national appeal, but smallest nearby in-state talent pool of any program one could list in the top 50, save maybe Nebraska)
21. Nebraska (national appeal, but also struggling to compete on recruiting field)
22. Michigan State (some history, but average local talent pool)
23. Georgia Tech (some history, but academics and sister-school status to UGA limit appeal)
24. West Virginia (close enough to some real pockets of talent plus Big Least schedule)
25. Pitt (see WVA)
 
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