Coach JH

[ksgovols]

This will be a very unpopular thread.

Hooker was a Pruitt recruit not CJH. They (CJH) went after Milton and we have seen how that turned out.The kid is a train wreck and there was a reason Michigan didn't play the kid. If CJH evaluation says the kid can play or he could change him but his starting QB is now hooker speaks volumes about his evaluation for talent. I'm not about morale victories and a 24 point beat down by UF isn't anything to feel good about. You can spin it anyway you want but it is what is. After we drop games to Missouri and UK we'll talk.

Our defense is the bright spot of the team and that's out of CJH's hands. We don't have the personal to run as CJH wants to run and it's already showing. I hope I'm wrong but as of now I just don't see it. He has a very accurate QB he won't play because he can't run and how can you watch film when he runs with the 2's and 3.s in a game. For those that said HB was against the scrubs in the OW didn't watch. He ran with 1's and played against the 1's. But we'll see this kid transfer and it will haunt us but this post isn't about that but he's playing a Pruitt recruit instead of his guy.

I hope I'm wrong but we will be lucky to get to 6-6. Head tells me 5-7. And we'll see the love fest for CJH after that.

5-7 or 6-6 is EXACTLY where the Vols should be with 71 scholarship players. Welcome to the real world. That's where we are. You guys wanting a year 1 rebuild are delusional. 29 players left with the Pruitt purge. For all intents and purposes, the Vols are serving probation right now. Keep grinding Vols!

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

This will be a very unpopular thread.

Hooker was a Pruitt recruit not CJH. They (CJH) went after Milton and we have seen how that turned out.The kid is a train wreck and there was a reason Michigan didn't play the kid. If CJH evaluation says the kid can play or he could change him but his starting QB is now hooker speaks volumes about his evaluation for talent. I'm not about morale victories and a 24 point beat down by UF isn't anything to feel good about. You can spin it anyway you want but it is what is. After we drop games to Missouri and UK we'll talk.

My goodness, somebody sure is cranky. Monthly friend got you retaining water, sweetheart? Feeling a bit bloated and not so pretty?

It's OK, you go ahead and blindly lash out at the Internet, we understand. Maybe drink a little cranberry juice and take a nap later.

 

[OrangeBeachVol]

There are 5 pages of responses here so he got what he wanted. Stop humoring him and he will go away, hopefully. And no I did not read all 5 pages.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

You can take this with a grade of slaw, but he's entitled to an opinion

Why is he entitled to an onion?

 

[ddubb76]

FYP.

And? Literally... so what? EVERY YEAR new coaches inherit and coach up players they did not personally recruit. There was a time when Pruitt was still around that people openly wondered if Hooker didn't make a bad mistake. The Vols potentially had HB, Shrout, JG, Maurer, and Salter in the QB room for '21. Hooker decided on UT any way.

CJH specifically stated he wanted more competition in the QB room. That's all. So he offered a reset to a guy with freakish physical talent. Do you know of anyone who denies Milton has that? CJH took a risk that he might be able to coach him up. Good coaches do that... A LOT.

No it doesn't. Not even close. By the testimony of practice observers... Milton won the competition in practice and it wasn't close. It appears that what he did in practice simply has not translated to games. Precisely HOW is a coach supposed to just "know" that a QB who is dropping deep balls in left and right in practice won't be able to hit anyone in games? Now once he fails in games... you don't stick with him but you are essentially condemning Heupel for playing the guy who earned it in practice first. That's not only ignorant... it is a sure fire way to lose the team. If they see one guy performing and a coach favoring someone else... trust is gone.

Do you even understand the concept of a "moral victory"? UT lost. However they lost not because UF just dominated them. They lost because they made CORRECTABLE mistakes that took them out of the game. That's signs of progress... not satisfaction in a "moral victory".

It is amazing the amount of vain confidence you place in your ability to know things about future events which you have no means... of actually knowing.

No it isn't. That's maybe more stupid than some of the other stuff you wrote... amazingly. Heupel contrary to the last 3 coaches showed up with big picture idea of the type of complimentary team he wanted to build. He specifically went after a DC and defensive coaches who would implement a fast, aggressive, "simpler" defensive scheme.

You are at least partly wrong... and will never see it.

Ah ha. There it is. Another ignorant Bailey cultist dreaming up some scenario where coaching incompetence or a conspiracy theory accounts for why Bailey isn't playing.

Heupel wants to win. He started Milton because he won the competition outright. Now he appears to be humble enough to recognize Milton isn't getting it done and playing Hooker. IF Bailey were "very accurate" in a way that is effective in moving this O... he'd be playing. There is significant evidence however that he's simply not. He's not 3rd because of any of the non-sense you seem to believe. It isn't because he cannot run though that doesn't help him. He's sitting because his overall demonstrated ability to get the job done has NOT earned him the opportunity to play in front of either of the others.

I was actually surprised that he wasn't #2 last week. But he wasn't. Milton for all his problems and a gimpy leg was seen as the better option.

LOL... your "head" tells you. Your head should NEVER tell you to write off games against teams with less talent. Ever. If it does then there is something wrong with your head

You guys that think that the best player plays are the ones that are nuts. You have never been part of a team or you were so gifted that you never saw it. All coaches and teams have their favorites. Even our own military is full of politics in ranks, and if that team can be undermined by playing favorites,so can and does every team. I have played many teams and there was always someone that tried more, more talented, or just better that was beat out by a coaches son, a boosters son, or favorite pet project etc. the fact that Milton had a quarter of the time and still “won” the “competition”, is enough proof that once he arrived he got the majority of the reps. I’ve seen many talented players sitting on the bench not getting practice reps till they were truly passed by the less talented player. Practice reps mean everything and of course the one who gets most reps will end up being better than the one overlooked. The fact that hb was better last year with no spring shows that he hasn’t gotten the reps.
I’m not writing off hype yet, as he did seem to replace an obvious mistake. Maybe hb got a girlfriend that distracted him from football, or maybe he just don’t care about football, or maybe the coach stepped on his own dick and put the wrong guy in and showed favoritism. I just want to win. Tired of sec losing streaks.

 

[sjt18]

You guys that think that the best player plays are the ones that are nuts.

Well, no. If you had Ainge and Swain and others who know the game and have observed practice coming out and saying that HB was closely competing then you might have a point. That's not what's happened.

Selecting who is "best" is never an exact science and trusting practice too much makes you an idiot like Pruitt. You will always have a few guys who are great in practice but flop on game day. It shows up most when that guy plays QB. OTOH, you almost NEVER have someone who is way behind in practice performance and then becomes a star on gameday. Even if you did... you couldn't develop the rapport and teamwork with a QB whose performance differed so much. The word on Bailey is that he isn't consistent. That surprises me as much as anyone.... but that's what's being said.

You have never been part of a team or you were so gifted that you never saw it.

No and no. It has been a long time but I played on the first state championship team at the same HS Heath Shuler came from. Coach Dietz won I believe 8 state championships in 18 years and the conference all but a few times. I was very frustrated as a Jr that a guy was playing in front of me that I thought deserved it no more than I did. I did not have the maturity to understand that leaders including coaches are paid to "split those hairs".

All coaches and teams have their favorites.

Maybe from a personal standpoint but the minute they play guys who don't deserve it or don't play guys who do... they lose their teams. That happened to Jones and Pruitt.

Even our own military is full of politics in ranks, and if that team can be undermined by playing favorites,so can and does every team. I have played many teams and there was always someone that tried more, more talented, or just better that was beat out by a coaches son, a boosters son, or favorite pet project etc. the fact that Milton had a quarter of the time and still “won” the “competition”, is enough proof that once he arrived he got the majority of the reps. I’ve seen many talented players sitting on the bench not getting practice reps till they were truly passed by the less talented player. Practice reps mean everything and of course the one who gets most reps will end up being better than the one overlooked. The fact that hb was better last year with no spring shows that he hasn’t gotten the reps.

So you are filling in the blanks with bias. Milton winning the competition has nothing to do with anything except Milton winning the competition. It wasn't just a coach hiding in his office plotting against Bailey. Guys given access to watch whole practices said that Milton not only won the competition but was WAY ahead.

It hasn't worked out on gameday.

Bailey did some "good" things last year in a very limited and controlled context. That's not the competition he was engaged in this fall.

I’m not writing off hype yet, as he did seem to replace an obvious mistake. Maybe hb got a girlfriend that distracted him from football, or maybe he just don’t care about football, or maybe the coach stepped on his own dick and put the wrong guy in and showed favoritism. I just want to win. Tired of sec losing streaks.

I'm tired of it too... and the LAST THING this team needed was a repeat of the "competition" between JG and Dormady. Jones wanted JG. He couldn't start him initially because the players knew who had won the competition. John Kelly essentially said it even before Jones announced the starter. JG pitched his tantrum in the GT game. Jones kept the "competition" going. He almost lost to UMass by wasting drives on JG. He gave JG extra #1 reps in practice. He kept the "competition" going until he had an excuse to start JG... then it was over and Dormady was gone.

Heupel started the guy who won the job in practice. He has now apparently handed the job to the guy who was #2 in practice. That's all there is to see here. He has repeatedly said he has confidence in all three and would play any of the three. Other than earning it... what other reason could he have for a bias toward Hooker? I wouldn't agree but someone could argue as the "Talkin' Vawls" guys did that Milton would be the starter because he was "Heupel's guy"... but he doesn't appear to be starting any more so that won't hold water.

From a "bias" perspective... Hooker is your last choice.

 

[FiremedicVOL127]

Clean up on isle 1

 

[jarnol32]

You guys that think that the best player plays are the ones that are nuts. You have never been part of a team or you were so gifted that you never saw it. All coaches and teams have their favorites. Even our own military is full of politics in ranks, and if that team can be undermined by playing favorites,so can and does every team. I have played many teams and there was always someone that tried more, more talented, or just better that was beat out by a coaches son, a boosters son, or favorite pet project etc. the fact that Milton had a quarter of the time and still “won” the “competition”, is enough proof that once he arrived he got the majority of the reps. I’ve seen many talented players sitting on the bench not getting practice reps till they were truly passed by the less talented player. Practice reps mean everything and of course the one who gets most reps will end up being better than the one overlooked. The fact that hb was better last year with no spring shows that he hasn’t gotten the reps.
I’m not writing off hype yet, as he did seem to replace an obvious mistake. Maybe hb got a girlfriend that distracted him from football, or maybe he just don’t care about football, or maybe the coach stepped on his own dick and put the wrong guy in and showed favoritism. I just want to win. Tired of sec losing streaks.

Not a good analogy for one reason… Anyone who has watched Milton, and Bailey throw a football can easily see that Milton has much much more god given talent than Bailey.
Bailey’s ceiling=Justin Worley 2.0
Milton’s ceiling= NFL 1st rounder

 

[Pride85]

This will be a very unpopular thread.

Hooker was a Pruitt recruit not CJH. They (CJH) went after Milton and we have seen how that turned out.The kid is a train wreck and there was a reason Michigan didn't play the kid. If CJH evaluation says the kid can play or he could change him but his starting QB is now hooker speaks volumes about his evaluation for talent. I'm not about morale victories and a 24 point beat down by UF isn't anything to feel good about. You can spin it anyway you want but it is what is. After we drop games to Missouri and UK we'll talk.

Our defense is the bright spot of the team and that's out of CJH's hands. We don't have the personal to run as CJH wants to run and it's already showing. I hope I'm wrong but as of now I just don't see it. He has a very accurate QB he won't play because he can't run and how can you watch film when he runs with the 2's and 3.s in a game. For those that said HB was against the scrubs in the OW didn't watch. He ran with 1's and played against the 1's. But we'll see this kid transfer and it will haunt us but this post isn't about that but he's playing a Pruitt recruit instead of his guy.

I hope I'm wrong but we will be lucky to get to 6-6. Head tells me 5-7. And we'll see the love fest for CJH after that.

Thank you for your pointless post. I am so glad that you are our resident expert on evaluating D1 talent. Whatever would we do without your brilliant input?!

 

[Pride85]

Man, we have such an incredible number of D1 level talent scouts on this team. At beat 0.1 percent of the posters on here commenting on their evaluation of ANY of the QBs on the team are completely clueless. They are speculating simply on their feelings. All would be laughed out of an interview for a scouting position. Let the ones whose employment is based on how they do complete the task.

 

[tennrich1]

Emeril is a helluva cook, but only if he has the right ingredients.
Give him a loaf of bread and a pack of bologna and he’s no better in the kitchen than I am.

GBO!!

When I was a kid a loaf of bread and a pack of bologna was splurging and papa got more for the cotton than we thought. And if things were really good we’d have a jar of mayo and hot sauce too!

 

[Mccage]

Stop lying. He star

Stop lying. He started three SEC games last year and had a better completion percentage as a true freshman than either of the other two have this year as upperclassmen.

Disagree all you want but I really don't care for the lying remark.

 

[volpreacher]

This will be a very unpopular thread.

Hooker was a Pruitt recruit not CJH. They (CJH) went after Milton and we have seen how that turned out.The kid is a train wreck and there was a reason Michigan didn't play the kid. If CJH evaluation says the kid can play or he could change him but his starting QB is now hooker speaks volumes about his evaluation for talent. I'm not about morale victories and a 24 point beat down by UF isn't anything to feel good about. You can spin it anyway you want but it is what is. After we drop games to Missouri and UK we'll talk.

Our defense is the bright spot of the team and that's out of CJH's hands. We don't have the personal to run as CJH wants to run and it's already showing. I hope I'm wrong but as of now I just don't see it. He has a very accurate QB he won't play because he can't run and how can you watch film when he runs with the 2's and 3.s in a game. For those that said HB was against the scrubs in the OW didn't watch. He ran with 1's and played against the 1's. But we'll see this kid transfer and it will haunt us but this post isn't about that but he's playing a Pruitt recruit instead of his guy.

I hope I'm wrong but we will be lucky to get to 6-6. Head tells me 5-7. And we'll see the love fest for CJH after that.

Well I don’t call the 38-14 loss a beat down. First if Calloway catches the easy pass he almost walks into the end zone to make it 24-21 late 3rd early 4th qtr. Florida racks on a late TD and Tennessee could have scored at the end but didn’t push it at the last so that’s a wash. All this plus a missed FG. We gained almost 450 yards. Tennessee averaging 38 puts a game so not sure how that’s a bad offense. You got one thing right the defense is playing well. Tennessee will win minimum 6 games maybe 8.

 

[ddubb76]

Well, no. If you had Ainge and Swain and others who know the game and have observed practice coming out and saying that HB was closely competing then you might have a point. That's not what's happened.

Selecting who is "best" is never an exact science and trusting practice too much makes you an idiot like Pruitt. You will always have a few guys who are great in practice but flop on game day. It shows up most when that guy plays QB. OTOH, you almost NEVER have someone who is way behind in practice performance and then becomes a star on gameday. Even if you did... you couldn't develop the rapport and teamwork with a QB whose performance differed so much. The word on Bailey is that he isn't consistent. That surprises me as much as anyone.... but that's what's being said.

No and no. It has been a long time but I played on the first state championship team at the same HS Heath Shuler came from. Coach Dietz won I believe 8 state championships in 18 years and the conference all but a few times. I was very frustrated as a Jr that a guy was playing in front of me that I thought deserved it no more than I did. I did not have the maturity to understand that leaders including coaches are paid to "split those hairs".

Maybe from a personal standpoint but the minute they play guys who don't deserve it or don't play guys who do... they lose their teams. That happened to Jones and Pruitt.

So you are filling in the blanks with bias. Milton winning the competition has nothing to do with anything except Milton winning the competition. It wasn't just a coach hiding in his office plotting against Bailey. Guys given access to watch whole practices said that Milton not only won the competition but was WAY ahead.

It hasn't worked out on gameday.

Bailey did some "good" things last year in a very limited and controlled context. That's not the competition he was engaged in this fall.


I'm tired of it too... and the LAST THING this team needed was a repeat of the "competition" between JG and Dormady. Jones wanted JG. He couldn't start him initially because the players knew who had won the competition. John Kelly essentially said it even before Jones announced the starter. JG pitched his tantrum in the GT game. Jones kept the "competition" going. He almost lost to UMass by wasting drives on JG. He gave JG extra #1 reps in practice. He kept the "competition" going until he had an excuse to start JG... then it was over and Dormady was gone.

Heupel started the guy who won the job in practice. He has now apparently handed the job to the guy who was #2 in practice. That's all there is to see here. He has repeatedly said he has confidence in all three and would play any of the three. Other than earning it... what other reason could he have for a bias toward Hooker? I wouldn't agree but someone could argue as the "Talkin' Vawls" guys did that Milton would be the starter because he was "Heupel's guy"... but he doesn't appear to be starting any more so that won't hold water.

From a "bias" perspective... Hooker is your last choice.

I don’t mind hooker starting, I didn’t mind Milton starting until he did exactly what Michigan fans said he would. I was wait and see on Milton. Hooker don’t impress me, but is better than Milton. However, Bailey showed more last year than what I seen this year from either of those. I would have preferred Bailey to start due to him being a vol and not another teams reject. He didn’t look good against tech, which tells me this staff either can’t coach qbs, or he is not getting any reps in practice. And we can agree to disagree on the coaches playing favorites subject.

 

[ddubb76]

Not a good analogy for one reason… Anyone who has watched Milton, and Bailey throw a football can easily see that Milton has much much more god given talent than Bailey.
Bailey’s ceiling=Justin Worley 2.0
Milton’s ceiling= NFL 1st rounder

Not true at all. NFL is littered with qbs with less arm strength. You guys act like he can run like Lamar jackson and has Aaron Rodgers arm and Peyton Manning mind. So far he has shown the running ability of a timid Casey clauses, throwing ability of blind Trent green.

 

[GordonC]

I can’t believe I opened this thread.

I am such a dumbass.

Reported.
3x

 

[GordonC]

Why is he entitled to an onion?

Good slaw has onions.

 

[sjt18]

I don’t mind hooker starting, I didn’t mind Milton starting until he did exactly what Michigan fans said he would. I was wait and see on Milton. Hooker don’t impress me, but is better than Milton. However, Bailey showed more last year than what I seen this year from either of those. I would have preferred Bailey to start due to him being a vol and not another teams reject. He didn’t look good against tech, which tells me this staff either can’t coach qbs, or he is not getting any reps in practice. And we can agree to disagree on the coaches playing favorites subject.

Hooker has played well. If you aren't impressed then you are trying not to be impressed.

No. What Bailey did last year is "nice" but it isn't "showing more" in context. He threw two picks in his first action vs Arkansas. He completed 70% vs Auburn with a bunch of dump downs while they were playing prevent. They were happy to let him throw short to the middle of the field. He had a nice game vs UF but was yanked for making a mistake and replaced by Shrout who actually performed better. He had great numbers against Vandy but does that really mean much? He was 6 for 6 vs TAM but held the ball too long and fumbled on consecutive possessions causing Pruitt to replace him.

I think he has potential. I'm not even trying to poo-poo what he did last year. But he wasn't asked to run a limited, low risk scheme to win the job this year. He was asked to throw to the outside and downfield. He didn't win the job because he wasn't the best at running the O or passing in this scheme. I have absolutely nothing against the guy. I hate this false narrative that he's been cheated out of something he earned or even worse that he should simply "get a chance" that he has not earned.

If Heupel had awarded the job based on past performance, it would have been Hooker from the start. His QBR for 3 years is over 160. He's completing around 64% of his throws for his career. He's thrown 29 TD's vs 8 INT's. He's over 1000 yds rushing for his career. He makes solid decisions. He protects the ball.

The one glaring weakness in his game and the thing they challenged him with following spring was the deep ball. He's made some good deep throws.

 

[ddubb76]

Hooker has played well. If you aren't impressed then you are trying not to be impressed.

No. What Bailey did last year is "nice" but it isn't "showing more" in context. He threw two picks in his first action vs Arkansas. He completed 70% vs Auburn with a bunch of dump downs while they were playing prevent. They were happy to let him throw short to the middle of the field. He had a nice game vs UF but was yanked for making a mistake and replaced by Shrout who actually performed better. He had great numbers against Vandy but does that really mean much? He was 6 for 6 vs TAM but held the ball too long and fumbled on consecutive possessions causing Pruitt to replace him.

I think he has potential. I'm not even trying to poo-poo what he did last year. But he wasn't asked to run a limited, low risk scheme to win the job this year. He was asked to throw to the outside and downfield. He didn't win the job because he wasn't the best at running the O or passing in this scheme. I have absolutely nothing against the guy. I hate this false narrative that he's been cheated out of something he earned or even worse that he should simply "get a chance" that he has not earned.

If Heupel had awarded the job based on past performance, it would have been Hooker from the start. His QBR for 3 years is over 160. He's completing around 64% of his throws for his career. He's thrown 29 TD's vs 8 INT's. He's over 1000 yds rushing for his career. He makes solid decisions. He protects the ball.

The one glaring weakness in his game and the thing they challenged him with following spring was the deep ball. He's made some good deep throws.

If your impressed with hooker, then you are not watching much football, because I can hardly find another teams qb that I wouldn’t rather have. I don’t like my qb running. That’s the rb job. The main job of a qb, is to take the snap and either throw it to the open reciever or hand it off to the rb. When the qb runs he gets hurt, then you lose your most important piece. If we want to run the wishbone let’s do it with two rb’s in the game. So his running don’t impress me. His passing is mediocre, better than Milton, but still very unimpressive. He has had 1 deep throw that worked. Hb has that many good deep throws this year and has passed three times. You guys talk about last year that hb was put in easy throws and that’s why his stats were good, I’d challenge you that shy of 1 deep pass hooker threw, those easy passes are all that jm and hooker completed. Oh and one prayer that Milton threw up against a horrible defense.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Good slaw has onions.

Oh yeah

 

[sjt18]

If your impressed with hooker, then you are not watching much football, because I can hardly find another teams qb that I wouldn’t rather have.

I watch a lot of football... and you are trying not to be impressed because as you admitted you want Bailey to be the guy. Your personal biases aren't what determines whether a guy is doing a good job or not. You protested coaches "playing favorites" then do this?

I don’t like my qb running. That’s the rb job. The main job of a qb, is to take the snap and either throw it to the open reciever or hand it off to the rb. When the qb runs he gets hurt, then you lose your most important piece.

LOL... football must be miserable for you these days. QB's run in college and in fact the bar has been raised even for non running QB's. You have pro QB's running now. It really doesn't matter what you "like". The job of the QB is to move the O. That's his "main" job. If he does it the way Dobbs did it or the way Bray did it... his job is to move the O and score points.... not to fit your wishes for a style of play that's been gone for a while.

Fulmer hired Pruitt to try to resurrect that philosophy of play. We saw the results.

If we want to run the wishbone let’s do it with two rb’s in the game. So his running don’t impress me.

Not surprising considering the effort you've put into reasons not to be impressed.

His passing is mediocre, better than Milton, but still very unimpressive.

You are impressed with dump downs late in the 4th qtr with a 2 TD deficit but the guy currently 4th in QBR behind Young, Corral, and Jefferson is "unimpressive and mediocre"? You are doing a magnificent job of ignoring the facts because you don't want him to be as good as he is.

He has had 1 deep throw that worked. Hb has that many good deep throws this year and has passed three times.

Do what? He's completed 3 passes for 16 yards.

You guys talk about last year that hb was put in easy throws and that’s why his stats were good, I’d challenge you that shy of 1 deep pass hooker threw, those easy passes are all that jm and hooker completed. Oh and one prayer that Milton threw up against a horrible defense.

Not defending Hooker. Have repeatedly said he has not played well.

Hooker's throws have moved the O in competitive situations. He does not typically hold the ball too long as HB was prone to do last year and perhaps this year.

For someone who does not care who gets the job done... you are working double time trying to deny that someone who shows signs of getting the job done... is getting the job done.

I have said that I would be tickled if Bailey passes Milton. Milton's cockiness is tolerable but only if he backs it up. He hasn't. But Bailey was behind Hooker all spring... all fall... and now. They are similar passers but Hooker is a much better runner.

I am STILL not against Bailey. I think he has talent. When he earns it then I am 100% for him playing. The coaches obviously do not think he's performed well enough to be in the top 2. Knowledgeable practice observers have confirmed that the other two have been better and have said that Bailey is inconsistent.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

I’ve been pretty critical about JH, there’s things that concern me such as the penalties and our recruiting. However against UF he coached us into a position to win the game and the players did not execute. Gotta give him time to get his guys in. If there’s no improvement next season and especially the season after that, I’ll be right there with you but I saw things I loved against UF

 

[Bullet2183]

Lord give the Coach a chance! The players are playing hard for him something I haven’t seen in years… It’s early we beat ourselves against Florida… To many mistakes at critical times… I’m so sick of fans that bitch gripe and complain all the time… Mistakes and depth are our issues… Simple 30 players left cause no more Big Mac Bags… Get over it!

 

[ddubb76]

I watch a lot of football... and you are trying not to be impressed because as you admitted you want Bailey to be the guy. Your personal biases aren't what determines whether a guy is doing a good job or not. You protested coaches "playing favorites" then do this?
I admit to be biased towards hb due to him committing to th and not getting run out of his preferred school. That being said my bias in no way effects his play. He is nowhere near the level of play that he should be with his experience. If short dump passes impress you and wild throws to the sideline and deep, then fine be impressed. I’m not
LOL... football must be miserable for you these days. QB's run in college and in fact the bar has been raised even for non running QB's. You have pro QB's running now. It really doesn't matter what you "like". The job of the QB is to move the O. That's his "main" job. If he does it the way Dobbs did it or the way Bray did it... his job is to move the O and score points.... not to fit your wishes for a style of play that's been gone for a while.

Fulmer hired Pruitt to try to resurrect that philosophy of play. We saw the results.

Not surprising considering the effort you've put into reasons not to be impressed.

I do admit, I am antiquated in my football playing style preference. I miss the days when you line up and see who is stronger. That being said, I prefer my qb to be able to complete passes over 40 time. If they have to run, ok. But it should be the last option not the first. Brady seems to do it well enough.

You are impressed with dump downs late in the 4th qtr with a 2 TD deficit but the guy currently 4th in QBR behind Young, Corral, and Jefferson is "unimpressive and mediocre"? You are doing a magnificent job of ignoring the fact I’ s because you don't want him to be as good as he is.

Do what? He's completed 3 passes for 16 yards.
well, hell, let’s start the heisman campaign for him. I didn’t realize he was that efficient passing the ball. So you think that is impressive? I don’t get it, but glad your happy with it.

Not defending Hooker. Have repeatedly said he has not played well.

Hooker's throws have moved the O in competitive situations. He does not typically hold the ball too long as HB was prone to do last year and perhaps this year.

For someone who does not care who gets the job done... you are working double time trying to deny that someone who shows signs of getting the job done... is getting the job done.

I have said that I would be tickled if Bailey passes Milton. Milton's cockiness is tolerable but only if he backs it up. He hasn't. But Bailey was behind Hooker all spring... all fall... and now. They are similar passers but Hooker is a much better runner.

I am STILL not against Bailey. I think he has talent. When he earns it then I am 100% for him playing. The coaches obviously do not think he's performed well enough to be in the top 2. Knowledgeable practice observers have confirmed that the other two have been better and have said that Bailey is inconsistent.

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Ainge was on the jg train last year as well as swain, so what they saw in a couple weeks and the other gear say that was reported don’t explain why hb looked drastically worse in his one time on field this year than he did in the spring or last year. The only explanation is that he didn’t get the reps either by his doing or the coaches. And before you say the spring game was against 4th team like I see so many say, no, it wasn’t. But he was throwing to 4th string. A player only gets better through reps.

sorry about the bold underlining. Not good at multiquoting.

 

[Matt2496]

This will be a very unpopular thread.

Hooker was a Pruitt recruit not CJH. They (CJH) went after Milton and we have seen how that turned out.The kid is a train wreck and there was a reason Michigan didn't play the kid. If CJH evaluation says the kid can play or he could change him but his starting QB is now hooker speaks volumes about his evaluation for talent. I'm not about morale victories and a 24 point beat down by UF isn't anything to feel good about. You can spin it anyway you want but it is what is. After we drop games to Missouri and UK we'll talk.

Our defense is the bright spot of the team and that's out of CJH's hands. We don't have the personal to run as CJH wants to run and it's already showing. I hope I'm wrong but as of now I just don't see it. He has a very accurate QB he won't play because he can't run and how can you watch film when he runs with the 2's and 3.s in a game. For those that said HB was against the scrubs in the OW didn't watch. He ran with 1's and played against the 1's. But we'll see this kid transfer and it will haunt us but this post isn't about that but he's playing a Pruitt recruit instead of his guy.

I hope I'm wrong but we will be lucky to get to 6-6. Head tells me 5-7. And we'll see the love fest for CJH after that.

You should be thankful to have a coach that is willing to play the best guy rather than constantly playing the champion of practice (i.e. cornbread and Guarantano).

We aren't losing to Missouri and UK.

Also, quit with the HB love-fest. He looked terrible and slow against Tennessee Tech. There's a reason why a national champion, heisman runner-up QB, and offensive guru that we have as a head coach isn't playing him.