Chryst dink and dunk qb

[FLVOL_79]

UK was probably his best game. He threw the ba well for the most part that game. He still took too many negative plays, though. Had a really bad intentional grounding. Ran out of bounds for a 4 yard loss when he should’ve thrown the ball away at one point too.

Still though, accuracy wasn’t JG’s issue last year. He’s got a better arm than Chryst and McBride. What he absolutely has to improve on if he wants to be the starter is getting rid of the ball more quickly, pocket presence, knowing when to throw the ball away vs when to run, etc. It still remains to be seen if he’ll be able to improve all of that. But if he does, he’ll beat Chryst. If he doesn’t, Chryst will be the guy. His arm isn’t the best, but he knows how to manage a game and won’t kill drives by taking unnecessary sacks or not throwing the ball away at least.

His accuracy was ok for someone who attempted about 75% less passes than every other SEC QB. But you know what? You can complete 100% of your passes all day everyday but unless they are going for touchdowns that stat means nothing.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

His accuracy was ok for someone who attempted about 75% less passes than every other SEC QB. But you know what? You can complete 100% of your passes all day everyday but unless they are going for touchdowns that stat means nothing.

Seems like a really shallow take here. Passes that move the chains are very important. If a Qb can lead his team to the red zone and then his QB punches it in, he’s done his job.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Given how bad the o line was last year, a dink and dunk passing game may be the best we can hope for sadly. JG's biggest issue last year was holding the ball to long and not throwing the ball away behind tissue paper protection. I have a hard time criticizing him for much else with the protection he had. If he can fix that issue and get the ball out faster, I think he starts. If not Chryst is probably the starter. Our o line is likely to be bad again. Even if CJP is the coach we all hope he is, serviceable is the best we can realistically hope for. Getting the ball out quick will be a must no matter who becomes QB1. I honestly don't care who it is, I just hope someone wins the job outright quickly.

Even if it was tissue paper protection he did not know how to step up in the pocket and move around the pocket to help his lineman. That hurts a line.

When a lineman can't recover on pass protection because the QB is static, there is an issue.

Usually when a pocket collapses a QB should be able to step up in front of that pocket and still get the ball off. JG did not know how to do that, or how to get rid of the ball. That resulted in multiple sacks.

 

[GAVol]

Even if it was tissue paper protection he did not know how to step up in the pocket and move around the pocket to help his lineman. That hurts a line.

When a lineman can't recover on pass protection because the QB is static, there is an issue.

Usually when a pocket collapses a QB should be able to step up in front of that pocket and still get the ball off. JG did not know how to do that, or how to get rid of the ball. That resulted in multiple sacks.

You can't step up when the DTs run over the guards and center every other snap.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

You can't step up when the DTs run over the guards and center every other snap.

Lol show me where that happened consistently. Our O-Line was bad but the only time that happened consistently is when they keyed on certain formations.

Plus Trey Smith played guard for half the season and I guarantee that portion of his pocket did not collapse very often.

The biggest time the middles of our formations collapsed were on run plays.

Edit: I even went back and watched Alabama's highlights against us.

The times JG was hit while throwing were the following:

Did not get rid of the ball and was static, delayed blitz (no one designed in the play to pick the delay up), outside rush on the right tackle (JG did not step up into the pocket)

Times Alabama blew up the middle:

When we ran (Alabama's lineman stayed at the line of scrimmage, didn't blow our O-Line up but clogged up the middle)

(I didn't see our middle get blown up on any pass plays in their highlights)

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Seems like a really shallow take here. Passes that move the chains are very important. If a Qb can lead his team to the red zone and then his QB punches it in, he’s done his job.

He just thinks JG is garbage. Sad.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Even if it was tissue paper protection he did not know how to step up in the pocket and move around the pocket to help his lineman. That hurts a line.

When a lineman can't recover on pass protection because the QB is static, there is an issue.

Usually when a pocket collapses a QB should be able to step up in front of that pocket and still get the ball off. JG did not know how to do that, or how to get rid of the ball. That resulted in multiple sacks.

Your not wrong, I'd still prefer the pressure not get to the QB in the first place. It's been pretty well established the whole team was badly coached. But, good line play will cover a lot of flaws. Neither JG or Chryst is going to be Dobbs when it comes to keeping us in games with their feet. Hence dink and dunk quick passing. That wasn't JG's strong suit last year. JG is more elusive but, he will have to correct that kind of thing or Chryst will start. Like I said I'm not carrying water for either guy.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Your not wrong, I'd still prefer the pressure not get to the QB in the first place. It's been pretty well established the whole team was badly coached. But, good line play will cover a lot of flaws. Neither JG or Chryst is going to be Dobbs when it comes to keeping us in games with their feet. Hence dink and dunk quick passing. That wasn't JG's strong suit last year. JG is more elusive but, he will have to correct that kind of thing or Chryst will start. Like I said I'm not carrying water for either guy.

Honestly a lot of pressure that got to the QB was because of play design. Most of the time if there were breakdowns it's because someone was not picked up due to the design of our Offensive play.

 

[BeecherVol]

Your obsession with dragging him down is the creepy thing.

Might tell that to the OP.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Lol show me where that happened consistently. Our O-Line was bad but the only time that happened consistently is when they keyed on certain formations.

Plus Trey Smith played guard for half the season and I guarantee that portion of his pocket did not collapse very often.

The biggest time the middles of our formations collapsed were on run plays.

Edit: I even went back and watched Alabama's highlights against us.

The times JG was hit while throwing were the following:

Did not get rid of the ball and was static, delayed blitz (no one designed in the play to pick the delay up), outside rush on the right tackle (JG did not step up into the pocket)

Times Alabama blew up the middle:

When we ran (Alabama's lineman stayed at the line of scrimmage, didn't blow our O-Line up but clogged up the middle)

(I didn't see our middle get blown up on any pass plays in their highlights)

You need to start basing opinions off of more than highlights.


But our tackles were worse than our OGs last year. Richmond was insinsistent and Tatum and Brooks were basically revolving doors.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Honestly a lot of pressure that got to the QB was because of play design. Most of the time if there were breakdowns it's because someone was not picked up due to the design of our Offensive play.

Here is hoping CJP gets the line fixed and we have decent run/pass blocking next year. Without it, either QB is going to look like hot garbage. We are probably going to be in for a long year no matter what. But, we almost can't help but be better without Butch. At least I hope so.

 

[VolEngineer]

Guarantano being the starter is the best possible end to all of this. If he starts it means he outperformed an experienced chryst and that the coaches have faith in him. It also means we have a starter that can start for 2 more years after this season while our new recruits learn. It also gives us a very good backup in chryst. We all should want that to happen. If it doesn't, were going through all of this again next year.

 

[JCHateSteve]

Guarantano being the starter is the best possible end to all of this. If he starts it means he outperformed an experienced chryst and that the coaches have faith in him. It also means we have a starter that can start for 2 more years after this season while our new recruits learn. It also gives us a very good backup in chryst. We all should want that to happen. If it doesn't, were going through all of this again next year.

Chryst winning the starting job wouldn't bode well for 2019 for sure. JG would probably transfer if he isn't the starter by the end of 2018. Though I would think JG will start if things are close to equal between him and Chryst. You don't start a grad transfer with one year if he isn't better than your redshirt sophomore. We may need a freshman to pan out immediately in 2019. It's likely to be tough for a few years on the hill.

 

[Volfan2012]

If it ends up being Chryst then the QB job is wide open in 2019 as JG will certainly not be a factor at Tennessee.

 

[BloomuVol]

Lol show me where that happened consistently. Our O-Line was bad but the only time that happened consistently is when they keyed on certain formations.

Plus Trey Smith played guard for half the season and I guarantee that portion of his pocket did not collapse very often.

The biggest time the middles of our formations collapsed were on run plays.

Edit: I even went back and watched Alabama's highlights against us.

The times JG was hit while throwing were the following:

Did not get rid of the ball and was static, delayed blitz (no one designed in the play to pick the delay up), outside rush on the right tackle (JG did not step up into the pocket)

Times Alabama blew up the middle:

When we ran (Alabama's lineman stayed at the line of scrimmage, didn't blow our O-Line up but clogged up the middle)

(I didn't see our middle get blown up on any pass plays in their highlights)

Did you happen to check downfield looking to see if there was any separation? You act like there could be no reason to hold the ball except inexperience or not mentally there, what if there was sub-par coaching, and no open receivers, and an injured ankle limiting running, bit then again I guess putting all the blame on him is easier.

 

[chargervol]

Did you happen to check downfield looking to see if there was any separation? You act like there could be no reason to hold the ball except inexperience or not mentally there, what if there was sub-par coaching, and no open receivers, and an injured ankle limiting running, bit then again I guess putting all the blame on him is easier.

That is when he has to throw it away.
Our coaches will tell him that, he will tell himself that and hopefully it will improve. JG's areas of struggle can be corrected but pretending an issue doesn't exist will never lead to improvement.

 

[BloomuVol]

That is when he has to throw it away.
Our coaches will tell him that, he will tell himself that and hopefully it will improve. JG's areas of struggle can be corrected but pretending an issue doesn't exist will never lead to improvement.

That's where the sub-par coaching comes in, any qb coach worth his salt can teach to throw away, that wasn't taught last year, obviously

 

[QuickSmurf]

I believe Tyson is a real QB coach. I expect all of our QB's to be A LOT better than last year.

 

[chargervol]

That's where the sub-par coaching comes in, any qb coach worth his salt can teach to throw away, that wasn't taught last year, obviously

I think JG knows better, heck, the average poster knows you have to throw it away. I think he just wanted to make it happen, a little too much.

Takes a lot of self discipline to concede a battle for the greater good.
As I said, nothing that can't be improved.

 

[BloomuVol]

I think JG knows better, heck, the average poster knows you have to throw it away. I think he just wanted to make it happen, a little too much.

Takes a lot of self discipline to concede a battle for the greater good.
As I said, nothing that can't be improved.

I would generally agree with you, but dormady seemed to not like throwing it away either , I feel as if the previous staff told them to make something happen like dobbs would, when they didn't have the assets of dobbs.

 

[VolEngineer]

No one really knows what the staff told them. They might have told JG not to run to decrease the risk of injury, or might have had him so afraid of throwing turnovers like dormady did that he was waiting until a receiver got completely open to throw. Then again, in many of the games, we were so behind that he probably was trying to just keep us in the game. In most of those games, if he would have thrown the ball away everytime he should have it would have been almost every play.

 

[butchna]

I would generally agree with you, but dormady seemed to not like throwing it away either , I feel as if the previous staff told them to make something happen like dobbs would, when they didn't have the assets of dobbs.

For all his great escapes and miraculous runs, Dobbs would get sacked for out of fg range on you in red zone territory...notoriously against Bama.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

You need to start basing opinions off of more than highlights.


But our tackles were worse than our OGs last year. Richmond was insinsistent and Tatum and Brooks were basically revolving doors.

Darth... I watched Alabama's highlights. It would show all of their big plays against us. (To include breaks in coverage) I watched the entire game in 2017 I could base it off of that but no one would consider it facts just hearsay.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Did you happen to check downfield looking to see if there was any separation? You act like there could be no reason to hold the ball except inexperience or not mentally there, what if there was sub-par coaching, and no open receivers, and an injured ankle limiting running, bit then again I guess putting all the blame on him is easier.

Considering I said that part of it was play design that caused some of the sacks that's not on him. (The lineman picked up who they were designed and a delayed blitz went straight through unblocked)

It's never all on a quarterback. He could have done things to increase his chances though.

 

[GAVol]

Lol show me where that happened consistently)

Lol.... No. I'm not going to do a film study of a 4-8 year for you.

He was not good at getting rid of the ball, but all too often the pocket just wasnt there. I'll bet Alabama hit him 20 times. Even if only half of them were his fault, the protection sucked.