Character vs. Talent

Which is the most important trait for a player to possess: character or talent?

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#126
#126
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Character with no talent is the same as Talent with no Character. Neither is going to be productive on the field due to their handi-caps. I would take though a guy with 3* talent who works his butt off in the gym everyday, understands the playbook, and has a team mindset over a 5*player who can't or won't read the playbook, is not giving it his all, and is more concerned about staying healthy for the NFL than playing hard in a game.
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No, it's not.
 
#128
#128
LawVol13 said:
No, it's not.
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Um, yes it is. Talent with no character lands you in jail like Nuke and Maurice and many many others or it lands you getting kicked off the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if you can't keep yourself out of legal trouble then you're still not going to be seeing the field. Do you dig it?
 
#129
#129
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Um, yes it is. Talent with no character lands you in jail like Nuke and Maurice and many many others or it lands you getting kicked off the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if you can't keep yourself out of legal trouble then you're still not going to be seeing the field. Do you dig it?
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no it isn't. Keeping oneself out of legal trouble does not mean one has character in the least.
 
#130
#130
jspvol76 said:
I posed this question in the Hopkins thread, but he had to shut it down for the night, so I figured I would ask the Nation.

Can a team of character guys win a national championship?

It stems from a question to him about where we would end up in recruiting class ranking, and this was the answer.



I am all for high character players no doubt, however, I don't know if that will get UT back to where I as a fan would like to see them. I have been in a debate about this with some fellow SEC fans since Kiffin left . I also understand that a #12 class ranking is no slouch in talent either. It would be ideal to have both in a class, but then it seems that if you start pulling in talent regardless of character it would go against what you have been selling as your principles.

Just curious....:popcorn:
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As long as the high character guys have a ton of talent, then sure. Otherwise, no. I'll also be stunned if this recruiting class for UT ends up being ranked anywhere near #12 in the nation.
 
#131
#131
BigPapaVol said:
Lawrence Taylor stands out in a gigantic field of others to agree with you.
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Yes, I think it's ridiculous that people like to write things such as "being a nice guy wins championships." I'd like for them to name me one time a bunch of no talent "nice guys" won anything of significance. Hell, when Failmer was winning here, he sure wasn't doing it with saints.
 
#132
#132
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Character with no talent is the same as Talent with no Character. Neither is going to be productive on the field due to their handi-caps. I would take though a guy with 3* talent who works his butt off in the gym everyday, understands the playbook, and has a team mindset over a 5*player who can't or won't read the playbook, is not giving it his all, and is more concerned about staying healthy for the NFL than playing hard in a game.
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Gotta agree with ya buck, but I'm afraid we are in the minority.
 
#135
#135
Some of you need to read. Really read what people write on here. NO character. I didn't say some character issues. I didn't say a few character issues. I said NO Character. I person with no character has a very high chance of ending up in serious legal problems etc. On the same note, some kids with no talent still end up on good teams and are discovered later as being no talent and are let go. This happens all the time in the NFL.

Since some of you are using examples I'll use Pac-man, Plaxico, Big Ben. All have talent BUT NONE ARE PLAYING RIGHT NOW.
 
#136
#136
The Taylor example doesn't hold water as the game has changed now. Alot more media. More attention. Less secrets. Those players would not last now. Everything is discovered nowadays.
 
#137
#137
Tom Osborne, if you overlook steroid use, took the alleged "high road" for years. All that got him was beaten to death by the Oklahomas, Miamis, and Florida States of the world in big games. Suddenly, the likes of Lawrence Phillips, Christian and Jason Peter, and a gaggle of other midemeanants and felons show up and he ropes three national titles in four years. Some would call that coincidence. Those people are mental.
 
#139
#139
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Some of you need to read. Really read what people write on here. NO character. I didn't say some character issues. I didn't say a few character issues. I said NO Character. I person with no character has a very high chance of ending up in serious legal problems etc. On the same note, some kids with no talent still end up on good teams and are discovered later as being no talent and are let go. This happens all the time in the NFL.

Since some of you are using examples I'll use Pac-man, Plaxico, Big Ben. All have talent BUT NONE ARE PLAYING RIGHT NOW.
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1. Pac Man just signed a two year contract with the Bengals.
2. If Burress weren't in jail, he'd be on a roster.
3. I'm pretty sure Pittsburgh will be welcoming BR back the second his suspension is up.

They don't call it the National Felon League without cause.
 
#142
#142
This probably isn't going to be received well, but the way I see it, ANY player that makes it to the NFL and contributes on the field has to have some type of character... I mean, there reaches a point when talent level simply evens out, and what separates you is worth ethic, desire to win, etc.... Say what you want about the Terrell Owens and Ochocinco's of the world, but there "character flaws" exist simply because they are so dang competitive.... They aren't getting in any serious legal troubles, and they bust their butts even if media wants to cast them aside as trouble makers... Same goes for Allen Iverson, etc... You don't become a super star in any professional league without a work ethic and some sense of character.... That is what separates the Brandon Warren's of this world (who had as much talent as just about anyone in the nfl) from those that actually make it to the NFL....
 
#144
#144
hatvol96 said:
Tom Osborne, if you overlook steroid use, took the alleged "high road" for years. All that got him was beaten to death by the Oklahomas, Miamis, and Florida States of the world in big games. Suddenly, the likes of Lawrence Phillips, Christian and Jason Peter, and a gaggle of other midemeanants and felons show up and he ropes three national titles in four years. Some would call that coincidence. Those people are mental.
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I think "beaten to death" might be a bit exaggerated.... There were plenty of close national champioinship games that nebraska played in the 80s and 90s against those teams...You obviously overlook a lot of talented athletes that were on Osborne's teams as well - Rozer, Ahman Green, Tommy Frazier, Turner Gill...

Also, never underestimate the equalizing power of a perfected spread option offense
 
#146
#146
Brandon Warren isn't in the NFL for the same reason Chris Lofton isn't in the NBA. He's not good enough.
 
#147
#147
BigPapaVol said:
Wpaine, no, the talent does not even out.
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I'm speaking of natural talent, natural ability, etc.... What allows you to exceed your potential and reach new heights stems from character, work ethic, etc.... Those like Brandon Warren, in my opinion, made it as far as their natural ability would allow them to go. You can't say that guys like TO, Ochocinco, Iverson (who the media portrays as have character flaws) didn't also bust their asses in the off-season to be the best they could be... You simply don't become the nba scoring leader two years in a row at 5'11 unless you exceed your natural ability

So, yeah, you're right the talent doesn't even out. Anybody that watches Kobe play in these Finals knows that there is a clear discrepancy in talent. What I am saying, though, is that Kobe also busts his butt harder than just about anyone in the offseason....
 
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#148
#148
hatvol96 said:
Brandon Warren isn't in the NFL for the same reason Chris Lofton isn't in the NBA. He's not good enough.
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not being good enough and not having the right measureables are different in my opinion... One entails a lack of talent, the other an unfortunate inevitability (you can't make yourself taller, etc)....

Sure, Brandon Warren may not have made it to the NFL (too small for TE and DE), but I was just using him as an example.... There obviously are plenty others (james banks, Maurice Clarett, Mike Williams)...
 
#149
#149
WPAINE said:
I'm speaking of natural talent, natural ability, etc.... What allows you to exceed your potential and reach new heights stems from character, work ethic, etc.... Those like Brandon Warren, in my opinion, made it as far as their natural ability would allow them to go. You can't say that guys like TO, Ochocinco, Iverson (who the media portrays as have character flaws) didn't also bust their asses in the off-season to be the best they could be... You simply don't become the nba scoring leader two years in a row at 5'11 unless you exceed your natural ability
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Nobody on earth exceeds their natural talent. The guys you have listed have more talent than those around them, period. Hard work and Iverson do not belong in the same paragraph.
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#150
#150
WPAINE said:
not being good enough and not having the right measureables are different in my opinion... One entails a lack of talent, the other an unfortunate inevitability (you can't make yourself taller, etc)....

Sure, Brandon Warren may not have made it to the NFL (too small for TE and DE), but I was just using him as an example.... There obviously are plenty others (james banks, Maurice Clarett, Mike Williams)...
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Maurice Clarett=Too slow to play in the NFL.
Mike Williams=See Maurice Clarett.
James Banks=Too dumb to work the counter at the Cumberland Avenue Krystal.
 
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