Character vs. Talent

Which is the most important trait for a player to possess: character or talent?

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#177
#177
utvolpj said:
wow, better than guys like Jamal or Webb? I don't believe he was ever even the true starter
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Talent wise, yes. He couldn't stay on the field though. His talent was never developed into even close to what it could have become... and he STILL did some incredible things.

IIRC, he still has two of the 3 longest runs from scrimmage at UT.
 
#179
#179
Volmorning said:
Don't know what to think about that. I have a LOT of character but not enough talent to play at a high enough level to help the team out. Wouldn't you say Vandy has high character players due to their academic requirements? BTW, talent over character seems to work for UF. Just sayin'.
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Smarts does not equal character.
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#180
#180
sjt18 said:
When there is great disparity in natural talent then there are times when all the character and "heart" in the world won't close the gap.

But Hardesty and Coker make a good case study when the gap isn't very wide. IMO, Coker was the most talented RB I've seen at UT. He had everything a RB needs- vision, power, quickness, burst, and great top end speed. Unlike Hardesty, he never got seriously injured.

Hardesty had all of those things as well but not to the same degree plus he was injury prone.

The difference between the two RB's boils down to their values. One guy had character, self-discipline, and determination in abundance. The other didn't.

If UT is recruiting guys who are "close" in talent to the 4* and 5* guys the other teams are getting but have much more "character" then it might work. If the gap is wide in talent... it won't regardless of how well behaved and academically accomplished they are.
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Well said. DD + co are not idiots, the FIRST qualifying criteria for a recruit is OBVIOUSLY that they can compete @ this level. Not being a smart arse, but what is usually the first thing a coach would look @ with a new potential recruit?? I'd say film. Not much about character on a highlight film. Character matters, and apparently more so to dooley than the previous staff. But let's not act silly, if they offer, they believe you can play @ this level.
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#181
#181
sjt18 said:
Talent wise, yes. He couldn't stay on the field though. His talent was never developed into even close to what it could have become... and he STILL did some incredible things.

IIRC, he still has two of the 3 longest runs from scrimmage at UT.
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I think you've giving him way too much credit. When Fulmer says you aren't tough enough, there's some problems.
 
#182
#182
sjt18 said:
Talent wise, yes. He couldn't stay on the field though. His talent was never developed into even close to what it could have become... and he STILL did some incredible things.

IIRC, he still has two of the 3 longest runs from scrimmage at UT.
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He averaged 5.2 ypc @ Hampton.

The mighty Keith Davis averaged 5.3 @ UT.
 
#183
#183
sjt18 said:
Talent wise, yes. He couldn't stay on the field though. His talent was never developed into even close to what it could have become... and he STILL did some incredible things.

IIRC, he still has two of the 3 longest runs from scrimmage at UT.
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If you think Coker is more talented than Webb and Lewis, you might want to take up watching another sport.
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#185
#185
utvolpj said:
against teams like Vandy and Marshall. To put his talent ahead of some of the all-time greats at UT is crazy talk
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I gave an opinion on what I saw...

I also saw JC's potential when alot of people were calling for his head. I saw MH's potential when many were dead set on BB being #1. I told people that last year's Fr WR's weren't going to pass Jones.

I've been right many times and wrong many times... but when it is something more than an opinion I'll usually back it up with specifics and stats.

This is nothing more than an opinion based on what I thought of his raw talent. I think he could have been great for the same reason I think Brown could be great- my observations of their raw talent.
 
#186
#186
hatvol96 said:
If you think Coker is more talented than Webb and Lewis, you might want to take up watching another sport.
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Faster and quicker than both. Showed better natural instinct and vision for lanes in college than Lewis.

Do you have the ability to make a comment without being a smart aleck?
 
#187
#187
Every single championship football team I can think of has some players with less than desirable character.

No championship team is without talent.

The key is to get those players who aren't high in character to produce
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#188
#188
sjt18 said:
Faster and quicker than both. Showed better natural instinct and vision for lanes in college than Lewis.

Do you have the ability to make a comment without being a smart aleck?
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Faster than Chuck Webb? That's one of your more ridiculous. It's not even close.
 
#189
#189
utvolpj said:
against teams like Vandy and Marshall. To put his talent ahead of some of the all-time greats at UT is crazy talk
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oops. That doesn't quite fit with his argument about quality of competition vis a vis Bryce Brown. Hmmm!
 
#190
#190
sjt18 said:
Faster and quicker than both. Showed better natural instinct and vision for lanes in college than Lewis.

Do you have the ability to make a comment without being a smart aleck?
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Are you still trying to defend this?

Wouldn't it be easier to simply say that you spoke too soon, and were in error in stating that Coker was the all-time most talented RB at UT? It'll sure be less painful for me to watch as the alternative begins to unfold.

Best rule to follow when you find yourself trapped in a hole? Stop digging.
 
#191
#191
J. Lewis was a battering ram with speed.

No way coker was more talented
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#192
#192
sjt18 said:
Faster and quicker than both. Showed better natural instinct and vision for lanes in college than Lewis.

Do you have the ability to make a comment without being a smart aleck?
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Do you have the ability to assess running backs without looking like an imbecile? You should stick to regaling is with your Zig Ziglar plagarized philosophical nuggets. That's obviously your long suit.
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#193
#193
sjt18 said:
I gave an opinion on what I saw...

I also saw JC's potential when alot of people were calling for his head. I saw MH's potential when many were dead set on BB being #1. I told people that last year's Fr WR's weren't going to pass Jones.

I've been right many times and wrong many times... but when it is something more than an opinion I'll usually back it up with specifics and stats.

This is nothing more than an opinion based on what I thought of his raw talent. I think he could have been great for the same reason I think Brown could be great- my observations of their raw talent.
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Yeah, Coker's career stats just scream greatness. What a talent.
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#194
#194
99gator said:
J. Lewis was a battering ram with speed. No way coker was more talented. Posted via VolNation Mobile
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How dense are you? Didn't you see Coker's long run against Marshall? He's obviously a combination of Gale Sayers, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, and Usain Bolt.Posted via VolNation
 
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#196
#196
sjt18 said:
Faster and quicker than both. Showed better natural instinct and vision for lanes in college than Lewis.

Do you have the ability to make a comment without being a smart aleck?
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Are you honestly contending that Coker was a more talented back than Jamal Lewis and Chuck Webb? Wow.
 
#198
#198
hatvol96 said:
1. Pac Man just signed a two year contract with the Bengals.
2. If Burress weren't in jail, he'd be on a roster.
3. I'm pretty sure Pittsburgh will be welcoming BR back the second his suspension is up.

They don't call it the National Felon League without cause.
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Pac Man has lost millions already. Plaxico IS IN JAIL which is my point. And Big Ben has lost a ton now too. Pacman will also probably be gone halfway through the year.

Character this bad does catch up at some point. Some it catches up to sooner.
 
#199
#199
Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Pac Man has lost millions already. Plaxico IS IN JAIL which is my point. And Big Ben has lost a ton now too. Pacman will also probably be gone halfway through the year.

Character this bad does catch up at some point. Some it catches up to sooner.
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Don't 2 of the 3 players you mention here have Super Bowl Rings? I'm truly shocked that they won anything because they were "mean guys."
 
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