CBJ to Vol Fans

[terrypedigo]

The man has really one of his own recruiting class, the first one was really DD other than 4 or 5 players, plus look at the 15 class, this time next year 8 and 4, in 16 is when we will win the EAST we cant beat juniors and seniors and future number 1 draft picks with a freshmen team, and that's what we are trying to do, just one more class after this then we will see results on the field I think we the fans that really understand football knows that a young team loses 1 that we should win and that was Saturday, but we will win one that we should not, that has not happen yet, so hang in there.

 

[CountVolcula]

The analogy king has struck.

I admit, I love using them

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Be patient. The longer you guys stay quiet, the more checks I can cash before everyone realizes I am not a good coach.

Hey check out my recruiting.

Nevermind Vanderbilt and Florida embarrassments, just get my offense properly described in the media.

Brick by brick

Slogan by Slogan

Loss by loss.

The new Tennessee way.

Stooped post is.......... Well Just Stoopid.

 

[TheGoodStuff]

Sorry to be the devil's advocate guys but if Wylo said something that has been proven wrong please correct him. If nothing he said has been proven wrong, I have no reason to dispute him.

The burden is on Butch to prove he is a good coach at this point. No more talk. No more moral victories. Stop losing games you should win, and teach your football team how to avoid turning certain victory into defeat. Your offense sucks, do better.


This is a big boy job, and it takes a big boy coach to do it.

I'll play... Did y'all forget about our Oline?

 

[hmanvolfan]

 

[KoachKletus]

... CBJ has won everywhere he has been! Give him some friggin time to get HIS team in order before you start your pathetic whining! The only possible coaching change in UT's near future is at OC, so hate it or love it but please shut up!

PS: I can't believe you got 16 likes on that garbage ass post!

Only 16 likes? That's sad. Usually the legion of miserables get it up to 20. Wylo will keep his whining going to make sure it gets to twenty.

 

[Boca Vol]

... CBJ has won everywhere he has been! Give him some friggin time to get HIS team in order before you start your pathetic whining! The only possible coaching change in UT's near future is at OC, so hate it or love it but please shut up!

PS: I can't believe you got 16 likes on that garbage ass post!

The longest he's been anywhere is 3 years...he better get started. Time is ticking!

 

[ButchPlease#1]

:bad:

Sorry coug that was not directed at you

 

[daj2576]

A good statistician would also tell you that going for it on 4th down statistics are skewed to ppl who go for it on a 4th and short or against a prevent defense, not your average 4th and 10 on your own 30. Misleading statistics.

The kickoff thing is true, i just wish we would always down it!

Well, we agree on the second sentence in its totality.

That's a good start.

As far as "good statistician" some of the data was parsed by prominent Cal-Berkeley economist, David Romer. His conclusions are these:

• Inside the opponent's 45 yard line, facing anything less than fourth and eight, teams are better off going for it than punting.
• Inside the opponent's 33 yard line, they are better off going for it on anything less than fourth and 11.
• Regardless of field position, on anything less than fourth and five, teams are always better off going for it.

That last sentence is key.

Here is a picture of his findings reduced to graph form, from the book Stumbling on Wins by Berri and Schmidt.



If that is hard to read click here for a full image view from my dropbox. https://www.dropbox.com/s/51ra94asa8j4od8/New Doc_1.jpg?dl=0

Similar conclusions were reached by others including an Indiana University astrophysicist but I can't recall his name. Admittedly this looks at NFL data but it has been used to differing degrees of success (the argument could be made that it has been incompletely integrated) in both the college and high school football ranks. Coach Kelley in Arkansas, a high school coach, compiles and uses his own stats and they largely agree. He is wildly successful. So much so, that he is frequently visited by college and NFL coaches looking for information about his system. For more on that see the book Scorecasting by Moskowitz and Wertheim. It is really good.

For a great discussion on football risk/reward, I also suggest Mathletics by Winston. That will make your head spin, but on top of examining almost every level of risk (pass v. run, etc) it also has a great explanation of Vegas and gambling that will open your eyes (at least it did mine).

 

[McDad]

Daj,

You may have become the Levar Burton of VN with that post. I can practically hear the Reading Rainbow theme song in my head perusing your post. ;-)

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I'll play... Did y'all forget about our Oline?

And our skill positions in 2013 right? Lack thereof? Oh and our QB got hurt.

O-line for 2014, is that what we're going to use? That's going to be our excuse this year?

2015 our senior QB is gone, so that one is already taken care of. Just make sure to start using it early and often.

Or....... our OC could play to our strengths. He could run plays that aren't terrible and that are designed to take pressure off your O-line. But what do I know, right?

 

[daj2576]

Daj,

You may have become the Levar Burton of VN with that post. I can practically hear the Reading Rainbow theme song in my head perusing your post. ;-)

That was one of my favorite shows as a youngin'

But you don't have to take my word for it.

 

[daj2576]

And our skill positions in 2013 right? Lack thereof? Oh and our QB got hurt.

O-line for 2014, is that what we're going to use? That's going to be our excuse this year?

2015 our senior QB is gone, so that one is already taken care of. Just make sure to start using it early and often.

Or....... our OC could play to our strengths. He could run plays that aren't terrible and that are designed to take pressure off your O-line. But what do I know, right?

Or...our "fans" could have patience and allow the staff a little latitude to recruit and increase talent. We need two more top 5 classes to see a real jump in talent predictions in relation to our major competition.

"Fans" complaining gets us nothing, at best. At worse, noisy unhappy "fans" only adds difficulty to the recruiting and retention efforts.

 

[Coug]

And our skill positions in 2013 right? Lack thereof? Oh and our QB got hurt.

O-line for 2014, is that what we're going to use? That's going to be our excuse this year?

2015 our senior QB is gone, so that one is already taken care of. Just make sure to start using it early and often.

Or....... our OC could play to our strengths. He could run plays that aren't terrible and that are designed to take pressure off your O-line. But what do I know, right?

Hey chatt, I know you're upset and you've recently expressed your doubts in several threads towards at least Butch Jones but I'm personally unsure of what you're after as a fan at this point in time. What sort of changes, specifically, are you looking for? Is it just some kind of change in the offensive play calling like you stated above?

Hypothetically speaking of course, if you're looking to get Butch and company fired do you really feel like we could afford that financially, let alone mentally or emotionally?

 

[TheGoodStuff]

And our skill positions in 2013 right? Lack thereof? Oh and our QB got hurt.

O-line for 2014, is that what we're going to use? That's going to be our excuse this year?

2015 our senior QB is gone, so that one is already taken care of. Just make sure to start using it early and often.

Or....... our OC could play to our strengths. He could run plays that aren't terrible and that are designed to take pressure off your O-line. But what do I know, right?

Yes we saw all the difficulties you mentioned above. Yes it's been frustrating.

Those problems are indicative of 10 years of instability and lack of continuity. You think Jones is supposed to fix all those problems in a year or so???

 

[Rgntddybrvol91]

Be patient. The longer you guys stay quiet, the more checks I can cash before everyone realizes I am not a good coach.

Hey check out my recruiting.

Nevermind Vanderbilt and Florida embarrassments, just get my offense properly described in the media.

Brick by brick

Slogan by Slogan

Loss by loss.

The new Tennessee way.

You were a breastfed baby weren't you....I can spot them anywhere....always wanting immediate satisfaction.:dance2:

 

[govolsbaby]

I'm of the opinion that this program is cursed, and will be until I'm dead.

Every other team in the SEC is getting better, we're spinning our wheels.

I believe in Coach Jones, and would like him to get 4 years, but he won't get it. Rinse and repeat coaches, game plan, etc. Fresh blood for the hate machine that is UT's fanbase.

I actually allowed myself to get emotional during the UF game. First time since the SEC title in 07. I'll try not to let that happen again.

Life's too short, and there are better things to do.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Hey chatt, I know you're upset and you've recently expressed your doubts in several threads towards at least Butch Jones but I'm personally unsure of what you're after as a fan at this point in time. What sort of changes, specifically, are you looking for? Is it just some kind of change in the offensive play calling like you stated above?

Hypothetically speaking of course, if you're looking to get Butch and company fired do you really feel like we could afford that financially, let alone mentally or emotionally?

I don't want Jones fired by any means. I think he's the man for the job. My concern is regarding his loyalty to Bajakian. Bajakian's playcalling sometimes just makes no sense to me, and I think the rest of the world feels that way as well, but it doesn't seem like Butch sees anything wrong with it, and that concerns me.

For instance, the "bubble screen" play we run. The one where the QB takes the snap and immediately throws directly left or right to a receiver in the flat. It felt like we ran that play 100 times against UF. Now here's my problem, with our playmakers at WR you're almost guaranteed to get at least 3-5 yards off it, but it's very unlikely that you will get more than 7. It's a great play call in short yardage situations. However, there were several instances where we were in 3rd and 10 situations and Bajakian would call that play. And what would it do? It would get us about 5 yards and we would punt. It's not a play that's designed to get big yardage, but Bajakian repeatedly called it in crucial big yardage situations.

Another situation was I believe in the 4th qtr. The UF defense was gassed. We started running Hurd to the outside. All we had to do was get the ball to field goal range, and Hurd was finally coming alive. It felt like he was getting 8 yards on every carry that drive. We gave the ball to him 3 times, he got us first downs, then we decide to throw for 3 downs and don't connect. Why??? We were finally pounding through their defense. That was very Chaney-esque.

Speaking of Chaney-esque, I'm still sore about the 5-wide, empty backfield call on 3rd and 2 at the goal against Oklahoma. That was right out of Chaney's playbook. Just like in 2012 S. Carolina when Bray was stripped at the end by Clowney. Neal had finally started running all over them, and they couldn't stop him that drive. Why in the world do you call a pass play there?

But I'm digressing. Long story short, I'm not saying fire anyone. I'm saying the coaches need to do better. Games like the Florida game can tell you a lot about how some coaches are going to fare here, and even though I'm not saying to fire him, Bajakian is on my personal hot seat.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

Nobody wants to see him fail

Y'all sound like a woman that asks about how she looks in the dress, and when you tell her you don't like it, she starts yelling "you don't love me"

Funny, because I had a similar analogy in my mind. The negas sound like a teenage girl that wanted to date a guy until their enemy started dating them. Then all of a sudden, the guy is ugly, has a small penis, is bad at sports, is a man whore, etc. etc.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

A close win. One. Singular. That's a fluke. And the deciding play was a fluke. The catch was purely magic. I'll never forget it, but it was magic.

The losses have piled up.

Florida last year, Georgia last year, Vanderbilt last year, Florida this year.

You may be the boss, but that doesn't make you always right.

It was an amazing catch, but everyone seems to forget that the reason he had to catch it with one hand was because the defender was draped all over him. If he doesn't make that catch, the ref throws a flag for interference and the drive stays alive. I know that doesn't fit in with your argument, but go back and watch again.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

I don't want Jones fired by any means. I think he's the man for the job. My concern is regarding his loyalty to Bajakian. Bajakian's playcalling sometimes just makes no sense to me, and I think the rest of the world feels that way as well, but it doesn't seem like Butch sees anything wrong with it, and that concerns me.

I'm not sold on Bajakian either, but I'm going to let the season play out. I've got no qualms with complaints of the OC, though.

For instance, the "bubble screen" play we run. The one where the QB takes the snap and immediately throws directly left or right to a receiver in the flat. It felt like we ran that play 100 times against UF. Now here's my problem, with our playmakers at WR you're almost guaranteed to get at least 3-5 yards off it, but it's very unlikely that you will get more than 7. It's a great play call in short yardage situations. However, there were several instances where we were in 3rd and 10 situations and Bajakian would call that play. And what would it do? It would get us about 5 yards and we would punt. It's not a play that's designed to get big yardage, but Bajakian repeatedly called it in crucial big yardage situations.

I actually went back and watched all of our 3rd down plays since Freak posted it. We ran the bubble screen you talk about one time on 3rd and 3 and it resulted in a first down. I think playcalling is a lot worse to us while we're watching in the heat of the moment. Go back and watch it.

Another situation was I believe in the 4th qtr. The UF defense was gassed. We started running Hurd to the outside. All we had to do was get the ball to field goal range, and Hurd was finally coming alive. It felt like he was getting 8 yards on every carry that drive. We gave the ball to him 3 times, he got us first downs, then we decide to throw for 3 downs and don't connect. Why??? We were finally pounding through their defense. That was very Chaney-esque.

See, I was mad because we got to midfield and ran it on first down with Hurd and lost a couple yards. He had nowhere to go and no chance at all to make a play.

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[Th3p3n3tr41t0r]

You all do realize that he shovel feeds us slogans and promises like his last job was in congress. I believe in what he is doing just not what he is saying. I tend to avoid nodding in agreement to the same statements for every situation.

 

[Th3p3n3tr41t0r]

As for the comment above... I am assuming that you don't have a problem with not getting points off of turnovers. In that instance Bajakian is probably the worst in the conference. He puts nice drives together, yes, but there is no excuse for calling vanilla plays after having the momentum of a turnover.

 

[Coug]

I don't want Jones fired by any means. I think he's the man for the job. My concern is regarding his loyalty to Bajakian. Bajakian's playcalling sometimes just makes no sense to me, and I think the rest of the world feels that way as well, but it doesn't seem like Butch sees anything wrong with it, and that concerns me.

For instance, the "bubble screen" play we run. The one where the QB takes the snap and immediately throws directly left or right to a receiver in the flat. It felt like we ran that play 100 times against UF. Now here's my problem, with our playmakers at WR you're almost guaranteed to get at least 3-5 yards off it, but it's very unlikely that you will get more than 7. It's a great play call in short yardage situations. However, there were several instances where we were in 3rd and 10 situations and Bajakian would call that play. And what would it do? It would get us about 5 yards and we would punt. It's not a play that's designed to get big yardage, but Bajakian repeatedly called it in crucial big yardage situations.

Another situation was I believe in the 4th qtr. The UF defense was gassed. We started running Hurd to the outside. All we had to do was get the ball to field goal range, and Hurd was finally coming alive. It felt like he was getting 8 yards on every carry that drive. We gave the ball to him 3 times, he got us first downs, then we decide to throw for 3 downs and don't connect. Why??? We were finally pounding through their defense. That was very Chaney-esque.

Speaking of Chaney-esque, I'm still sore about the 5-wide, empty backfield call on 3rd and 2 at the goal against Oklahoma. That was right out of Chaney's playbook. Just like in 2012 S. Carolina when Bray was stripped at the end by Clowney. Neal had finally started running all over them, and they couldn't stop him that drive. Why in the world do you call a pass play there?

But I'm digressing. Long story short, I'm not saying fire anyone. I'm saying the coaches need to do better. Games like the Florida game can tell you a lot about how some coaches are going to fare here, and even though I'm not saying to fire him, Bajakian is on my personal hot seat.

Fair analysis in my opinion. I too am on the fence about the OC. I guess we'll find out in due time.

 

[Wylo]

It was an amazing catch, but everyone seems to forget that the reason he had to catch it with one hand was because the defender was draped all over him. If he doesn't make that catch, the ref throws a flag for interference and the drive stays alive. I know that doesn't fit in with your argument, but go back and watch again.

If that were true, the flag would have been thrown regardless of the catch. You go read the rulebook on pass interference.

The catch or non catch has no impact on the call.

It was a great catch. It was an earned win. But it's the only one that qualifies as a big win. There are several in the big loss column. That's my only argument.