Carmelo is now a Knick

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nbakerld said:
The ones that shoot a high FG%. You can go to the all-star game simply by scoring, even if you do it in a very inefficient manner. You can get a max contract simply by scoring. Doesn't matter how much it hurts your team. If you look awesome and athletic when you score then the fans, coaches, and scouts tend to forget how much you miss. Our eyes lie to us. We can't tell the difference between a 50% shooter and 40% shooter without looking at the box score, so we tend to like the guy that looks the coolest. The kind of all-star I want is the guy that shoots around 50% or more.
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Basing who's a star and who's not on solely fg% is no different than basing it just on ppg. Both are just one individual stat. Melo certainly is one of the nbas biggest stars and its well deserved. Also iverson was certainly a star especially during his days with the sixers
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bamacheats said:
FWIW that loser Kobe has a career fg% of .455
Carmelo has a career fg % of .460.
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Yup. Kobe won championships with Shaq...and then he won championships with Gasol, Odom, and Bynum. Guess what those guys all have in common.

Note: Kobe's FG% in championship seasons he shot .468, .464, .469, .467, and .456.
 
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VolBuck24 said:
Basing who's a star and who's not on solely fg% is no different than basing it just on ppg. Both are just one individual stat. Melo certainly is one of the nbas biggest stars and its well deserved. Also iverson was certainly a star especially during his days with the sixers
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Yeah it's not solely based on that. You just can't be a star in my eyes if you shoot a poor % while shooting a lot.

Most important stats in no specific order =

FG %, FT %, Rebounds, Steals, and Turnovers

And I love Iverson but his team that went to the Finals was led by Hill, Ratliff, and Mutumbo who combined averaged like 35 ppg and 30 rpg while shooting 50%. I know this probably sounds crazy to the basketball establishment but everything makes sense once you start looking at hoops this way. I used to look at it like everyone else.
 
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nbakerld said:
Yup. Kobe won championships with Shaq...and then he won championships with Gasol, Odom, and Bynum. Guess what those guys all have in common.

Note: Kobe's FG% in championship seasons he shot .468, .464, .469, .467, and .456.
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So now who you play with matters. Except Melo in NY with Amare and Billups because he still sucks because of his %. You're talking in circles man. Melo > Kobe if you go by your stats. Yeah right! Even Melo's mom thinks that is stupid.
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bamacheats said:
So now who you play with matters. Except Melo in NY with Amare and Billups because he still sucks because of his %. You're talking in circles man. Melo > Kobe if you go by your stats. Yeah right! Even Melo's mom thinks that is stupid.
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You jump to a lot of conclusions. Of course who you play with matters. Nobody wins on their own. Amare is a very good player. Billups isn't. Melo isn't. I'm not saying Melo can't be on a winning team, but he isn't what makes a team win.

When I look at the stats I conclude that Kobe is a much better player than Melo. Melo has had 3 good seasons and 3 bad ones. Kobe has had 10 good seasons and about 4 bad ones. You can't really compare their FG% straight up since Kobe shoots a lot more 3's.

You are getting ahead of yourself. You are trying to nail me as a hypocrite without even understanding my formula. Also you keep trying to make dumb straw men arguments for me. It's very annoying.
 
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Paul Pierce would be the best SF in the game according to nbakerld's advanced formula of what makes a great basketball player. Landry Fields and Aaron Afllalo are also elite SGs.
 
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Carmelo is probably a top 5 talent in the league. He's right with Durant and Lebron for best scorer, and his defense isn't anywhere near as bad as some make it out to be. It's not the greatest, but not extremely awful.
 
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I don't think they made the trade expecting to compete for championships right away. I think they realize they need to add a guy like Chris Paul but they had to add Melo now before they lost out on him. I like the trade because it puts them on the path of where they want to be, it's just not complete yet.
 
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1-0 with Melo. Toney Douglas was the difference tonight though.
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vols kick balls said:
Paul Pierce would be the best SF in the game according to nbakerld's advanced formula of what makes a great basketball player. Landry Fields and Aaron Afllalo are also elite SGs.
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Lebron James is the best SF, and yes Fields and Afflalo are pretty good players. Fields is my runner up for ROY.

Pierce is having a spectacular year. But looking at his entire career he's not a great player.

And it's not my formula. It's actually been developed by statisticians with Phd's. Not some dumb journalist like Hollinger. Hollinger's efficiency formula is just something he threw together with no science to it, or rhyme or reason. The formula I refer to actually explains winning with an extremely high correlation. R^2 = .98 if you know what that means.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Paul Pierce would be the best SF in the game according to nbakerld's advanced formula of what makes a great basketball player. Landry Fields and Aaron Afllalo are also elite SGs.
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I'm sure the Knicks wish they could trade Melo for Grant Hill or Mike Dunleavy.
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VKAman said:
I'm sure the Knicks wish they could trade Melo for Grant Hill or Mike Dunleavy.
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No they don't. And the Knicks always make the right moves huh?

You guys don't need to accept me as a credible source. Just listen to the words I'm saying. It's logical. Look at it this way. Teams built on players with "scoring ability" often fail. Teams built on players with high FG% do not fail.

BTW, Grant Hill was possibly a top 10 talent all time before injury. One season he shot .496 with 21.4 ppg, 9 rpg, 7.3 apg, and 1.8 spg.
 
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We should probably track Denver's record over the last half of the season to see how they end up. 32-25 (.561) as of Monday the 21st. Now they are 1-0 without Melo.
 
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People seem to be forgetting the Knicks also got Billups....who went 21 and 8 (asts) in his first game
 
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nbakerld said:
No they don't. And the Knicks always make the right moves huh?

You guys don't need to accept me as a credible source. Just listen to the words I'm saying. It's logical. Look at it this way. Teams built on players with "scoring ability" often fail. Teams built on players with high FG% do not fail.

BTW, Grant Hill was possibly a top 10 talent all time before injury. One season he shot .496 with 21.4 ppg, 9 rpg, 7.3 apg, and 1.8 spg.
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And how many rings does Grant Hill have? Regardless, I'm not talking about the mid-90s. I'm talking about right now. In addition, maybe the Bulls should abandon their doomed plan and find a new PG like Ramon Sessions to build around. D. Rose just can't get it done.
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nbakerld said:
We should probably track Denver's record over the last half of the season to see how they end up. 32-25 (.561) as of Monday the 21st. Now they are 1-0 without Melo.
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It's not like this funny thing already happened where the Nuggets went from 17 wins to 43 immediately after adding Melo, or anything.
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VKAman said:
It's not like this funny thing already happened where the Nuggets went from 17 wins to 43 immediately after adding Melo, or anything.
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Melo's rookie year Camby was healthy, Nene got more minutes, and they added Andre Miller.
 
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VKAman said:
And how many rings does Grant Hill have? Regardless, I'm not talking about the mid-90s. I'm talking about right now. In addition, maybe the Bulls should abandon their doomed plan and find a new PG like Ramon Sessions to build around. D. Rose just can't get it done.
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Yeah, remember how Grant Hill got hurt? His prime lasted about 2 years. Also it's a team sport. NOBODY has ever won on their own. Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant player ever, but didn't win until he had the right team.
 
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Nuggets 2-0, both home games, but they did smoke the Celtics. Galinari sucks so bad (1-6). Just get that guy out of the league. Chandler had 16 points (5-9), 5 boards, 1 steal, 1 block, and no turnovers in just 25 minutes. Dude was efficient in his debut.
 
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Melo is a good scorer because he scores a lot of points. It's really that simple. You can argue that he's an inefficient scorer, but he's a scorer none the less. His best asset is what the Knicks haven't had for years, an end of game clutch performer. Melo is excellent at getting to the line and excellent at the line. He's the best post up forward in the league.

Bottom line, he makes the Knicks better. The real difference probably will not be noticed until next season, but let's look at his numbers after he's comfortable with this new offense.
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nbakerld said:
Nuggets 2-0, both home games, but they did smoke the Celtics. Galinari sucks so bad (1-6). Just get that guy out of the league. Chandler had 16 points (5-9), 5 boards, 1 steal, 1 block, and no turnovers in just 25 minutes. Dude was efficient in his debut.
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Galinari can play, offense at least.

I think he will do well for Denver.
 
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bamacheats said:
Melo is a good scorer because he scores a lot of points. It's really that simple. You can argue that he's an inefficient scorer, but he's a scorer none the less. His best asset is what the Knicks haven't had for years, an end of game clutch performer. Melo is excellent at getting to the line and excellent at the line. He's the best post up forward in the league.

Bottom line, he makes the Knicks better. The real difference probably will not be noticed until next season, but let's look at his numbers after he's comfortable with this new offense.
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He is a scorer like Allen Iverson was a scorer, he jacks up shots until he gets his.

He is overrated by leaps and bounds.
 
#100
#100
At this point the Knicks probably need to win the rest of their games and the Nuggets need to lose the rest of theirs to prove me wrong about Melo.

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