Carmelo is now a Knick

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VolBuck24 said:
Yea the picks were more important. I just think that giving up 3 starters and picks is big. I thought they should have waited until he hit the free agent market since it's the place he wanted to be and they could have kept felton and gallinari. Good move getting rid of that awful eddy curry contract though
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He wanted the extension under the current CBA. He wasn't going to free agency.
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Knicks are going to be slightly better because they unloaded Galinari. Carmelo is a better shooter (still not a good shooter) and rebounder than him, but Amare will never win a title in that duo. In a game where the team with the highest FG % almost always wins you don't want a guy like Melo (shoots below league average) taking the bulk of your shots. It doesn't make sense.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
He wanted the extension under the current CBA. He wasn't going to free agency.
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True, but i don't think he would have signed the extension with denver or new jersey so why not chance it.
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nbakerld said:
Knicks are going to be slightly better because they unloaded Galinari. Carmelo is a better shooter (still not a good shooter) and rebounder than him, but Amare will never win a title in that duo. In a game where the team with the highest FG % almost always wins you don't want a guy like Melo (shoots below league average) taking the bulk of your shots. It doesn't make sense.
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Carmelo is SLIGHTLY better than Gallinari? Hope that's not what you're saying...
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Knicks didn't get better? That's crazy talk! Melo doesn't shoot a high % but I'm betting that it will rise playing with Amare. Plus, what seems to be lost is Billups. He's on the tail end of his career but bringing along a pg that Melo is already used to playing with is huge!
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I heard Carmelo may wear #30 since Bernard King was his favorite player.
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VKAman said:
Carmelo is SLIGHTLY better than Gallinari? Hope that's not what you're saying...
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No, but in the whole deal the Knicks only got slightly better. Felton and Billups are a push (though Felton is younger), Chandler and Melo are the only other decent players in the trade. I would actually rather have Chandler than Melo, but unloading Galinari helps a lot so the Knicks end up on top. You'll see, the Knicks will finish with slightly better winning % (28-26, .519 as of today). Melo is so overrated.
 
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nbakerld said:
No, but in the whole deal the Knicks only got slightly better. Felton and Billups are a push (though Felton is younger), Chandler and Melo are the only other decent players in the trade. I would actually rather have Chandler than Melo, but unloading Galinari helps a lot so the Knicks end up on top. You'll see, the Knicks will finish with slightly better winning % (.519 as of today). Melo is so overrated.
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Wilson Chandler over Carmelo Anthony? Yeah, that's a great way to get a GM fired.
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bamacheats said:
Isiah Thomas thinks Chandler > Melo.
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I didn't say Chandler was better than Melo, I said I'd rather have him. It's a push, but Melo demands a max contract.

Ironically Isiah pursued players* like Melo (high-priced players that shoot a lot and don't shoot well). You may not remember this, but when Isiah was putting that team together people were calling him a genius (he signed most of those guys below market value too). Now they call him the worst GM ever without understanding where he went wrong, dooming themselves to support these same kind of moves in the future.

*Marbury, Richardson, Francis, and Randolph when they already had Crawford. The 1 guy that did shoot well (Curry) was a terrible rebounder. At least Melo can do that.
 
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bamacheats said:
I was being sarcastic. What the heck are you talking about? Isiah never pursued Melo.
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You have obviously missed all the stories about Thomas being Dolan's advisor that have came out recently.
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vols kick balls said:
You have obviously missed all the stories about Thomas being Dolan's advisor that have came out recently.
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No I haven't. That was all propoganda coming from Thomas trying to remain relevant. Isiah had ZERO input in this trade. He wasn't asked, wasn't called, and never brought up.
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nbakerld said:
Actually Isiah pursued players* like Melo (players that shoot a lot and don't shoot well). You may not remember this, but when Isiah was putting that team together people were calling him a genius (he signed most of those guys below market value too). Now they call him the worst GM ever without understanding where he went wrong, dooming themselves to support these same kind of moves in the future.

*Marbury, Richardson, Francis, and Randolph when they already had Crawford. The 1 guy that did shoot well (Curry) was a terrible rebounder. At least Melo can do that.
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I really don't have a clue what you are talking about. Isiah a genius? That hasn't been said by anyone since he laced them up with Dumars. Are you referring to Grunfeld? Dolan fired him and they made an amazing playoff run which many thought vindicated him. I guarantee that no one referred to Zeke as a genius as a GM.
As far as acquiring all those players under market value, what does that mean? He gave away first round picks like they were candy. Who the F would put Francis and Marbury in the same team? Who the F would draft Renaldo Balkman when he could have been signed as a free agent?
Zeke is a coke snorting idiot.
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bamacheats said:
I really don't have a clue what you are talking about. Isiah a genius? That hasn't been said by anyone since he laced them up with Dumars. Are you referring to Grunfeld? Dolan fired him and they made an amazing playoff run which many thought vindicated him. I guarantee that no one referred to Zeke as a genius as a GM.
As far as acquiring all those players under market value, what does that mean? He gave away first round picks like they were candy. Who the F would put Francis and Marbury in the same team? Who the F would draft Renaldo Balkman when he could have been signed as a free agent?
Zeke is a coke snorting idiot.
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I told you that you wouldn't remember.

And Francis + Balkman is not the reason the Knicks were terrible. Having a terrible draft pick is not what made Isiah terrible (every team has bad picks nearly every year, especially outside the lottery spots).
 
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bamacheats said:
No I haven't. That was all propoganda coming from Thomas trying to remain relevant. Isiah had ZERO input in this trade. He wasn't asked, wasn't called, and never brought up.
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What have you read or heard that leads you to believe that? Just curious, but I haven't read anything that makes me doubt he was involved at least somewhat.
 
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vols kick balls said:
What have you read or heard that leads you to believe that? Just curious, but I haven't read anything that makes me doubt he was involved at least somewhat.
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Because MSG issued a statement Saturday saying that Isiah wasn't involved, had never been involved, and will never be involved.
Plus David Stern made a ruling in the fall saying that Zeke's current job is conflict of interest and if consulted Dolan would be fined heftily, NBA record heftily, Walsh or any other executive would be fired, and Zeke would be banned from NBA teams for an unspecified amount of time.
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nbakerld said:
I told you that you wouldn't remember.

And Francis + Balkman is not the reasons the Knicks were terrible. Nearly every team has bad draft picks. Most teams have a bad draft pick every year.
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I have forgotten more Knicks dealings than you'll ever know, I guarantee. Balkman was not a bad draft pick, he was an unfreakinbelievable what the F kind of screw up pick is that. Zeke constantly gave away expiring contracts for loaded up ones. He signed Eddy Curry. He hired a coach that he wouldn't let coach. His tenure was a disaster from day 1. I don't have a clue what would cause you to think differently.
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bamacheats said:
I have forgotten more Knicks dealings than you'll ever know, I guarantee. Balkman was not a bad draft pick, he was an unfreakinbelievable what the F kind of screw up pick is that. Zeke constantly gave away expiring contracts for loaded up ones. He signed Eddy Curry. He hired a coach that he wouldn't let coach. His tenure was a disaster from day 1. I don't have a clue what would cause you to think differently.
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I read in Stumbling on Wins that hoops insiders praised Isiah for the moves he was making before they saw the results. I had forgotten this was the case, but the book reminded me (apparently you forgot it too). I lent my copy to a friend. If referencing the book is not a good enough source, once I have the book back I will expound on the author's sources.
 
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Denver will be shorthanded against Memphis tonight with only 9 players dressing out. No Carmelo or Billups and no Gallinari, Chandler, and Felton
 
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