Can Someone Explain To Me Why

#51
#51
Georgia loses players every year from their home state, but nobody says anything because there is plenty of talent to go around. If tennessee loses 4 or 5 kids its a bigger deal because there are a limited number of d1 players in tennessee. Its simply a numbers game. I don't care if we are losing players out of tennessee as long as we are pulling equal or better talent elsewhere.
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#53
#53
the bar-b-q in east tennessee isn't good enough to keep the kids from memphis happy.

plus, knoxville is not a ****hole. it confuses kids from memphis who are more comfortable in their natural surroundings of rot and decay.

I hate the gators but I'll be damn if you're not a cool dude! Rot and decay, haha nice!!!
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#54
#54
little rock
birmingham
montgomery

these are three cities that i suspect those who call memphis 'the armpit of the south' have never visited.

memphis gets hated on by the other parts of the state so they feel no allegiance to tennessee, and therefore their prospects have no problem going somewhere other than ut.

I grew up in the Memphis area and I have been to the other cities that you mentioned and I would take Memphis any day over those cities. Memphis has it's bad side but it also has it's good as well.
 
#55
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I grew up in the Memphis area and I have been to the other cities that you mentioned and I would take Memphis any day over those cities. Memphis has it's bad side but it also has it's good as well.

Beale is far better than anything else in this state can offer.
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#56
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Memphis kids seem to hate UT? I know that there are exceptions, but for the most part we just dont have any love there. I know the whole distance from Knoxville thing, but there seems to be more to it than that. Several will say that Phil ignored the city, but my question is, Did Majors, Battle, Dickey, etc have these issues? Just read a rumor from a really solid source that Kimbrow and Redmond are headed to Vandy, both have UT offers and it makes no sense.


Even though Knoxville is in the state of Tennessee,
to a person from Memphis it seems a dfferent state.
From their perspective, it is closer to play at Ole Miss,
Miss State, Memphis, Alabama or possibly Arkansas, than to go to Knoxville.
Also look at the track record of most Memphis recruits that attend U.T. I realize that their are exceptions like Cedric Wilson & Andrea Lott, but for the most part, they
don't fare very well here.
Why would other Memphis area players go to U.T. when those before them didn't fare very well???
 
#57
#57
I'm from Memphis, grew up there, parents still live there, go home for T-day, etc. Here's a few thoughts in no particular order, JMO and observations from having grown up there. No reason to jump me :mf_surrender::

1.) You guys are missing the point about these two kids allegedly committing to Vandy -- why wouldn't they? They play in the SEC every week (who cares if they get beat? they are on national tv and get the exposure! if they are good enough to play sundays, they will), they get a top notch education that UT cannot even come close to providing, and they are 3 hours closer to home. When your family lives in poverty, 3 hours is a big deal and so is a great education. At the end of the day, if my kid isn't good enough to play on Sundays, I would rather him have a degree from Vandy than from UT and I'm orange through and through.

2.) Right now, I would hesitate sending my kid to play at UT. UT is about to face potentially major sanctions and as much as WE like CDD and his staff, the next AD might not have the patience that we have. Too many unknowns out there despite CDD's excellent efforts to give the appearance of stability on Rocky Top.

3.) Memphis high school coaches have been around for decades and have their hands out. They think they are entitled to something for steering a kid in a certain direction. It's been going on a long time and it's the culture there -- even political -- see Slick Willy Herenton, the entire Ford family. Want to know why Fulmer didn't make Memphis a priority? Would you after the Albert Means debacle? So much money and so many accusations changed hands over that deal it will make your head spin.

4.) Fulmer did pull great talent out of Memphis, but he did so selectively -- Cedrick Wilson, Andre Lott, just to name 2 on the '98 NC team. And sometimes he just swung and missed -- Albert Means. I say it over and over -- the '98 team was ONE THIRD from the state of Tennessee. Yes, we recruited heavily outside the state, but we also found some of our best talent in-state. The fact that they weren't all from Memphis doesn't mean that much to me. The fact that they were in-state means Fulmer was simply being selective out of Memphis. Who, specifically, did Fulmer miss during our championship years out of Memphis?

5.) Unlike Atlanta, Memphis has no black middle class. There is a very small percentage that are government workers and typically those that do make money (doctors, lawyers, etc.) are from somewhere else that have moved to Memphis. Many of the kids from inner city public Memphis high schools can't read and write when they "graduate" high school, have had no father figure, and grew up on the streets. Getting them eligible, even for UT, often times proves close to impossible. Many of these players don't need coaching, they need a father. Why bother? THE example of this is Xavier Crawford. Great article about the X-Man and the Memphis culture here: http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insi...espn.go.com/ncf/insider/news/story?id=6080272 . If you don't know who the X-Man is, you should read up on this. It's a great article and talks about some of the crazy stuff he endured just to get out of high school, and off the playing field, alive.

6.) From 1973- 1995, Memphis had NO conference affiliation. As such, many Memphis kids looked other places to go to school. I've read Ole Miss and Ark on here, but it's not limited to that. While Memphis has many southern qualities, it is really a mid-west town when it comes to sports -- they had the Memphis Chicks (Kansas Royals farm team) for years and now the Memphis Redbirds (St. Louis farm). Memphis kids don't grow up Braves fans, they grow up Cardinals fans. . . and it's always been that way. As a result, it's not just Ole Miss and Arkansas that takes Memphis kids, it's mid-west schools as well. Now that recruiting has gone coast-to-coast, it makes it even harder now.

7.) Basketball is an entirely different thing than football in Memphis. There is a reason kids are staying home -- Memphis basketball tradition is much deeper and has far more meaning than Tennessee's. Sorry, but it's true. I think it's funny as hell how pissed folks on this board get for the pressure Memphis is putting on these kids to stay home and play. Why wouldn't the local community do that? They get to play in front of their parents and friends. They get to play in an NBA stadium with NBA players (present and past) and execs watching every game. They get to play for a school with a MUCH richer basketball tradition that UT. The academic standards are lower than UT's (and that's low!). It's an easy choice when it comes to basketball. This business about "what they are doing to those poor kids in Memphis to keep them to stay" is nothing but sour grapes from UT basketball fans.

8.) It is a culture difference in Knoxville. East vs. West. Inner city vs. hillbillies. Black and white (yes, race, I said it!). How do you expect an inner city kid from Memphis who grew up with gang bangers to identify with Rockytop? It's a song about being a WHITE redneck up in Appalachia, moonshine and dirt. Fulmer's favorite recruiting schtick was talking about the UT/Bama tradition -- one that mainly involved white good ole boys playing white good ole boys. I remember seeing an interview with Peerless Price when he talks about not really understanding the rivalry, but appreciating how intense Fulmer was when talking about it. Peerless's lack of understanding about the rivalry didn't have to do with age -- it had to do with race. Another way to look at it -- one of the main things that the players liked about Kiffin is that he had rap/hip-hop music playing at practice. Not calling Fulmer a racist, and not praising Kiffin, but I wonder how many times that would have happened under Fulmer's tenure? How about any of the coach's before Fulmer -- got some motown playing on the loud speakers? From coaches to boosters, white good ol' boys have ruled the roost at Tennessee, so why would these kids come running east when they could have the chance to go somewhere else and not be subject to that environment?

9.) With all that said, I think we will see a gradual change and more and more kids come to UT from Memphis under CDD. First, CDD has no choice but to look to places like Memphis for talent -- when you are at the bottom, you look everwhere. Plus, I'm hoping the VFL program is EXACTLY what a lot of these kids need and it will be a HUGE selling point for momma's of kids in Memphis. Plus, travel is simply easier and cheaper now, there are things like Skype that make communication between parents and kids more accessible, and the fact that the SEC is the best of the best conference means that kids might be more willing to go to a UT when they otherwise wouldn't.
 
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#59
#59
I heard a rumor that Vandy will win four games this year, when recruits see that, they will bounce.

It's June people.
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My thoughts exactly!!!! Franklin is selling a pipedream. The administration of Vandy is bull......
Franklin also.
They promised Franklin that they would be didicated to winning and he believes it. Then Franklin sells this to the recruits. The problem is that Vandy will not commit to winning in football.
There have been no major changes to the stadium in 25 years. Heck, the local high schools have a score board better than the one in the Vandy stadium.
 
#60
#60
I grew up in the Memphis area and I have been to the other cities that you mentioned and I would take Memphis any day over those cities. Memphis has it's bad side but it also has it's good as well.

Well, I have actually been to all three of those cities and they suck as well, but Memphis is worse. It consistently ranks either #1 or #2 city in the US with most murders per population density. It's so bad that even TNT's 'Memphis Beat' is a 3rd rate show...

Oh, and BTW, Cordova and Germantown are not considered Memphis...
 
#61
#61
Well, I have actually been to all three of those cities and they suck as well, but Memphis is worse. It consistently ranks either #1 or #2 city in the US with most murders per population density. It's so bad that even TNT's 'Memphis Beat' is a 3rd rate show...

Oh, and BTW, Cordova and Germantown are not considered Memphis...

Just like any town with abject poverty, there are the haves and have-nots. Memphis, Birmingham, and Montgomery all have VERY beautiful neighborhoods and parts of town and for the most part they are great places to raise kids if you are part of the "have's". They also have parts that look like third world countries.
 
#62
#62
"At the end of the day, if my kid isn't good enough to play on Sundays, I would rather him have a degree from Vandy than from UT and I'm orange through and through."
I totally agree with everything you said except this. The degree you get from a university is only worth what you put into getting that degree. I am an engineer and have worked with engineers from many schools. The Vandy grads were the only ones, I repeat only ones, to think they were better than any other simply on where they went to school. Every school teaches the same thing. What you get from it is up to you.
Sorry this is off thread but I get really tired of hearing how great a Vaaanderbilt education is. The only thing Vandy has going for it is the hospital, and it is NOT associated with the school. :finger3:
 
#63
#63
Well, I have actually been to all three of those cities and they suck as well, but Memphis is worse. It consistently ranks either #1 or #2 city in the US with most murders per population density. It's so bad that even TNT's 'Memphis Beat' is a 3rd rate show...

Oh, and BTW, Cordova and Germantown are not considered Memphis...

Nor Collierville.
 
#64
#64
"At the end of the day, if my kid isn't good enough to play on Sundays, I would rather him have a degree from Vandy than from UT and I'm orange through and through."
I totally agree with everything you said except this. The degree you get from a university is only worth what you put into getting that degree. I am an engineer and have worked with engineers from many schools. The Vandy grads were the only ones, I repeat only ones, to think they were better than any other simply on where they went to school. Every school teaches the same thing. What you get from it is up to you.
Sorry this is off thread but I get really tired of hearing how great a Vaaanderbilt education is. The only thing Vandy has going for it is the hospital, and it is NOT associated with the school. :finger3:

I understand your frustration. I went to Catholic University Law School in DC. You can't believe how many job interviews I went to out of law school where employers told me that my degree wasn't "good enough". The definition of a tort or breach of contract is the same no matter whether an adjunct professor taught it to me or F. Lee Baily. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD, where you went to school matters. It puts you a track that's hard to get off of, even with hard work and excellent work production. To think overwise is naive. No idea why you flipped me off for saying a Vandy education is better -- IT IS. :cray:
 
#65
#65
I understand your frustration. I went to Catholic University Law School in DC. You can't believe how many job interviews I went to out of law school where employers told me that my degree wasn't "good enough". The definition of a tort or breach of contract is the same no matter whether an adjunct professor taught it to me or F. Lee Baily. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD, where you went to school matters. It puts you a track that's hard to get off of, even with hard work and excellent work production. To think overwise is naive. No idea why you flipped me off for saying a Vandy education is better -- IT IS. :cray:

Naive- maybe. But to generally say a Vandy education is better is just as naive. Maybe in your field, law, you might be right. But in medicine, engineering, education, mathematics- I call b***s***. By the way, most of the athletes, notice I'm qualifiying with most, attend Vaaanderbilt's Peabody School of Education, and believe me, it's on their diploma.
I flipped you off for taking Vandy's side on anything. I've lived in Middle Tennessee most of my life. I have never, except for Roy Skinner's coaching, liked anything about that school.
 
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#66
#66
Central does not produce like Melrose
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Agree, but it is in Memphis and the Melrose kids tend to have grade and "other" issues. Kids in the city may follow Clear if he is successful. Clear's success could be positive. Also, Hinshaw has Memphis connections.
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#67
#67
Naive- maybe. But to generally say a Vandy education is better is just as naive. Maybe in your field, law, you might be right. But in medicine, engineering, education, mathematics- I call b***s***. By the way, most of the athletes, notice I'm qualifiying with most, attend Vaaanderbilt's Peabody School of Education, and believe me, it's on their diploma.
I flipped you off for taking Vandy's side on anything. I've lived in Middle Tennessee most of my life. I have never, except for Roy Skinner's coaching, liked anything about about that school.

You must live on a different planet if you think your UT engineering degree matches up to an M.I.T. degree. Or, if you think a UT medical degree matches up to a Harvard medical degree. Not saying that MIT or Harvard kids are better engineers or doctors in every instance, but were you brought up to believe that any kid that can get into UT can otherwise go to an Ivy League if their parents can afford it?
 
#69
#69
I actually took a History of Tennessee class while I was in college. That being said East and West Tennessee have almost always had clashes with one another based on politics, economics, and social status. These clashes led to the state capital to be relocated to Nashville so that neither side could exert to much influence on which way the state was led. Anyways there is much more to it, but that is some of it. West Tennessee has more in common with people of of Alabama and Mississippi because of the similarities in economics and social classes.
 
#70
#70
You must live on a different planet if you think your UT engineering degree matches up to an M.I.T. degree. Or, if you think a UT medical degree matches up to a Harvard medical degree. Not saying that MIT or Harvard kids are better engineers or doctors in every instance, but were you brought up to believe that any kid that can get into UT can otherwise go to an Ivy League if their parents can afford it?

M.I.T. and Cal Poly are way out there. Most of their grads end up in R&D. They are unique thinkers. Last I read on this thread we were talking about basically SEC schools, not Ivy League or specialty schools. Again, affording a school and being able to get in a school are two completely different things. Would my grades and test scores have gotten me into those schools? Most of them. I definitely could have gotten into Vandy. Could my parents have afforded those schools or Vandy? Definitely not. But when you are talking UT, Vandy, Bama, etc.- SEC schools, Memphis- there is not a one of them that has it totally over another when it comes to degrees. Hell, I even worked with an Auburn grad who could run circles around me.
 
#71
#71
If any Memphis kids were to read these boards, it shouldn't be a surprise why they hate UT. What part of the constant "Memphis isn't even Tennessee" "Memphis is the worst city in the world" "Memphis is full of black people" garbage that East Tennesseans post on these boards would be endearing to these kids? I've lived on both ends of this state and I'll take Memphis any day. I'm a Vols fan, but it makes me sick to read the junk the majority of people post on here.
 
#72
#72
In general, I suppose a vandy grad worked harder for his degree than I did for my UT degree and it loooks better on paper. I also have a business and have interviewed a couple dozen vandy grads over the past 2 years that are begging for a job because they can't find one in their field of study. Of 15 reps, I have anywhere from military, teaching background, sales, former athletes, graduates of ivy league schools and community college dropouts. Once you are out of school for a few years, in many cases, your college and degree don't matter as much.
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#73
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In general, I suppose a vandy grad worked harder for his degree than I did for my UT degree and it loooks better on paper. I also have a business and have interviewed a couple dozen vandy grads over the past 2 years that are begging for a job because they can't find one in their field of study. Of 15 reps, I have anywhere from military, teaching background, sales, former athletes, graduates of ivy league schools and community college dropouts. Once you are out of school for a few years, in many cases, your college and degree don't matter as much.
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Amen:good!:
 
#74
#74
If any Memphis kids were to read these boards, it shouldn't be a surprise why they hate UT. What part of the constant "Memphis isn't even Tennessee" "Memphis is the worst city in the world" "Memphis is full of black people" garbage that East Tennesseans post on these boards would be endearing to these kids? I've lived on both ends of this state and I'll take Memphis any day. I'm a Vols fan, but it makes me sick to read the junk the majority of people post on here.

They do read these.
 
#75
#75
If any Memphis kids were to read these boards, it shouldn't be a surprise why they hate UT. What part of the constant "Memphis isn't even Tennessee" "Memphis is the worst city in the world" "Memphis is full of black people" garbage that East Tennesseans post on these boards would be endearing to these kids? I've lived on both ends of this state and I'll take Memphis any day. I'm a Vols fan, but it makes me sick to read the junk the majority of people post on here.

I have lived in Memphis for 21 years. Having moved back to Memphis from Knoxville after a semester and having spent a year and a half going to Memphis, I can tell you that I hate Memphis as a city. I love some of the people here, but there is a reason that my friends here in Memphis refer to our city as Memfrica. Being on the top of the 'Most Dangerous Cities' list many times does not, in my mind, constitute being considered a great city.

Name one great thing Memphis has...
 

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