Bye bye Butch - Purdue bound (message board rumor)

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jordan4vols said:
And just to be clear you are also saying nothing will happen even when they do correct?
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I didn't get that from his post. No way if we finish like this year or worse that Butch keeps his job. They will be looking to clean house and bring in his type of coach. Also throw in the buyout drops significantly next season so as bad as I want him gone now it only makes sense from a money standpoint and waiting on an AD hire to start earning his money and make those decisions. No way in hell we could let Hart make the next FB hire especially with him being the one that hired Butch and being responsible for that big a$$ buyout this year. Just gotta stick it out for one more season. Hart will be gone and hopefully Butch too this time next year.Although there is no way I could pull for us to lose games and pray for mediocrity. Think Butch will more than handle that for us all next season.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Heard anything on potential staff changes? Was hoping Debord would retire but that is the least of our problems. Please tell me S&C will be addressed and that we change OLine Coaching and most importantly our Secondary coaching. Martinez has got to go. Let Shoop bring his own guys in. And we really need a real QB Coach that is solely responsible for developing our QB's.
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there are going to be staff changes but unless someone gets hired away to another job I don't expect anything to transpire until post bowl game.

On S&C they will bring someone in to head S&C for all programs, the job Lawson had, and they are targeting someone on an NFL team. So don't expect anything with that until after January 1.
 
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volgr said:
I have heard that too. What I mean by not making sense is that we are keeping a coach that no one wants whose long term projection is downward. Basically keeping a corpse for another year to save a few extra dollars.
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Honestly think it is more that we don't have an AD yet that could make the right hire without us having to wait months for the AD hire to be made. The new AD deserves to make those decisions and to hire his guy. You don't want to take heat as an AD for another bad coaching hire that was done before he was hired. It sucks but whoever the new AD is gonna be he deserves to make the hire and hire the coach he wants. Just works out as a bonus that they save millions on the buyout. If we had an AD in place I doubt Butch is out recruiting nor would he be coaching the bowl. If it's common knowledge that Butch has been looking around I can't imagine that puts him in good standing with anybody within the TN administration,the soon to be new Chancellor and AD,Alumni and ex players( VFL) and most definitely not the fan base.
 
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LWSVOL said:
there are going to be staff changes but unless someone gets hired away to another job I don't expect anything to transpire until post bowl game.

On S&C they will bring someone in to head S&C for all programs, the job Lawson had, and they are targeting someone on an NFL team. So don't expect anything with that until after January 1.
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That tells me that guy is on a team whose last game will be week 17 so non playoff contender. Correct?
 
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BeecherVol said:
And thats fine. All either of us can say is what we currently know.
We obviously have heard some similar info that appears to be true regarding the first part.

And the rest of what I heard could change but its coming from someone that is very confident the next AD is waiting for a rubber stamp. And would have input even beforehand if a chaotic situation happened and Jones actually found someone that would take him.
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hope your info is correct in that regard.. :good!:
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
I don't know ....maybe some of these rumor mill generators were rejected at prom or something.

BUTCH is our guy 19 starters missing 2 games or more was our issue! Turning the ball over was the teams issue not Butch!

in Butch we trust son:lolabove:
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Unbelievable.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Well, if you would like to hire a coach like Derek Dooley your right. No coach with any sense is going to take a job at a school where he has no clue who the person will be that he will be reporting to.
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Exactly..not to mention whoever we hire as the new AD deserves the chance to make that hire.We would be very limited on who would take the job not knowing who his boss is. It's unfortunate we gotta do this another year but it's better than the alternative and making another horrible hire. Not sure I could take yet another bad or mediocre hire. We have had more than any one university deserves to have in a 10 yr span.Too important of a hire because it has to be done right this time and get the right guy in. No more of this taking a shot with a HC that has never won anywhere outside of a mid major or middle of the road power 5 team that had one good year with a senior dominated team..Like McIntyre at Colo for example.
 
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volgr said:
Our fans and evidently a good portion of our boosters are such small minded thinkers. You want to bring in a big name coach and really fix this thing? Give him a say over who the AD is.
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Not at all..but you give the AD the say over who will be HC.but we severely shorten our coaching candidate pool and our chances of getting a coach that has been successful at an sec level pretty much drops to zero without him knowing who his boss is going to be. Then the HC has to worry that if he has one average season will the AD be looking for reasons to bring in the HC he wants. It's just asking for problems and pretty much guarantees our coaching pool options will mostly be up and comers or guys that have been fired and would take the job simply to not be unemployed.Would be a horrible business and financial move and could even keep an AD from taking the job. So as bad as I want Butch gone for the future of TN Football the only choice is to stick it out until we get stability back in the athletic department and get the best AD hired first. Then go to work making the best coaching hires.
 
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BeecherVol said:
And thats fine. All either of us can say is what we currently know.
We obviously have heard some similar info that appears to be true regarding the first part.

And the rest of what I heard could change but its coming from someone that is very confident the next AD is waiting for a rubber stamp. And would have input even beforehand if a chaotic situation happened and Jones actually found someone that would take him.
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And some of you thought the new chancellor was going to be someone else - but it wasn't.

Unless you know who all has or is applying for the AD job and are sure whomever you think it is will interview better than the other candidates - you don't know. Rubber stamps don't always happen and they tend not to happen more often when the one in control was not hired from within.

What if a better AD candidate applies than the one you think will get it? Does UT look the other way? No. Time is needed to make a good hire otherwise we'll have a Dooley for AD.

Also contributing to this is the fact that Dave Hart has pretty much checked out - there is no one to even stop this swirl with any type of comments whether those be good or bad because he can't say something is true or not true as that will no longer be his decision at some point.

Some of you keep fanning the flames without regard to how bad this situation could become just because of all this stupidity.
 
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Okay, so no raise or extension considering we have no AD selected and only lameduck Hart is presiding. So we agree that a prospective new coach wants to know who his boss is going to be. So can we also agree that no salary raise or contract extension should be warranted for Butch by lameduck Dave?

After all, this is a business and sales are trending down after a disappointing year on the profit ledger.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Honestly, if it comes to that, I'm warming up to the idea of Shoop running the show ala Ogre. He's a smart man and not nearly as bad a DC as many seem to believe. I think we've yet to see what he can really do with his assistants and a full deck to play with.
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Shoop has been a HC before and had a three year record of 7-23.
 
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LWS and TS bringing the facts.

Maybe someone will compile all of their posts from this thread and make a sticky titled "BUTCH, DEBORD, SHOOP HERE INDEFINITELY" just so people can get served ASAP without wandering into joke/troll threads or asking the same questions 100 times
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im sure thats true in some cases.

I just don't buy it with this one. The new has worn off and I don't think Jones likes the bad that comes with a job like this one.
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I seriously think this is more around the unknown with the AD. One can take the bad with the job if you know that your boss has your back.
 
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Rgntddybrvol91 said:
He got ripped to shreds because that is the kind of stuff to put out there if you were performing up to expectations....otherwise it looks like a shell game. He was hired to do one thing....win, not be a social warrior. And I might say he is getting compensated very well. Right now, he has hit the lotto. Because he is getting all the benefits of his compensation by driving us to the middle (or below) and keeping us there.
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I completely disagree. He didn't get hired to JUST win. Obviously that's one of many goals but UT needed him to come in and restore a once great culture and to win in the process. A head coach is reposnsible for so much more than just winning and Butch has done remarkable things in every other aspect except the winning part. I give him more time because of that alone. Sure I want a winner but I also want an athletic program I can be proud of and will represent my school well off the field too.
 
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OP does realize that there are these people called agents that handle the negotiation and that any contact with CBJ at this point would be highly unlikely unless they had a deal worked out. Furthermore, I HIGHLY doubt that CBJ would be stupid enough to take a UT plane to a job interview......unless he was going to pay the university back or was told "Please, take our plane, just get out!"

Holy Geez some people will believe anything they want to.
 
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