Butch to allow 7 on 7

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Roustabout said:
Routes against air sure hasn't prevented injuries.
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Exactly, and with young QB's and Receivers....and don't forget the DB's this should be a no brainer. If you're constantly fearing injuries then that's exactly what will happen.
 
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Boca Vol said:
This isn't aimed at you, Behr...just in general.

Why is it that every time a new S&C coach is hired he's the greatest thing since sliced bread but when he leaves he's the reason for every injury?

All off-season last year this place was buzzing with how jacked the team looked, etc.
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Good, cause I was about to jump in the truck and head about an hour North. Lol.

Seriously, I know what you mean, but many times with things like this, it's not always the same people.
 
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Behr said:
Good, cause I was about to jump in the truck and head about an hour North. Lol.

Seriously, I know what you mean, but many times with things like this, it's not always the same people.
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Bring it! :):rock::loco:
 
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It's a great idea until someone tears something and the it's Volnation meltdown!!!! "Farh Butch" "Butch is an Idiot" "Butch is a Champion of Stupidity" blah blah blah. I like the idea, it's gets some qb and wr timing down. Not to mention it helps the db get plenty of work.
 
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KBVol said:
Tweet from VolQuest twitter account....

The boss @Brent_Hubbs with an interesting update in Destin. Butch Jones changes course, green lights some 7v7 work.


I think this is really good news. Jones reversing course on a pretty firm policy he's had since he's been here. Can't do anything but help the QBs and WRs develop good rapport over the summer imho.
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About damn time..
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
It's a great idea until someone tears something and the it's Volnation meltdown!!!! "Farh Butch" "Butch is an Idiot" "Butch is a Champion of Stupidity" blah blah blah. I like the idea, it's gets some qb and wr timing down. Not to mention it helps the db get plenty of work.
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You're absolutely, correct. But it comes with the territory in 2017. I think Butch was too relaxed last off-season, but he should know his team better than anyone and it was an upper-class filled squad.

This year you have young players in key positions and they need all the reps they can get.
 
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Eh, I'm glad he is doing the 7 on 7's this year,any extra work can't hurt. Like others have said,maybe this is another sign of him adjusting and changing his ways.
GOD forbid someone gets hurt tho,the fan base will have a meltdown.
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
The 🔥 under his seat is heating up!
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Or maybe he has young/inexperienced QB's and young/inexperienced WR's and wants to give them more opportunities to get work in? Maybe? Nah, that goes against the agenda, so that couldn't be it.
 
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CABVOL said:
Or maybe he has young/inexperienced QB's and young/inexperienced WR's and wants to give them more opportunities to get work in? Maybe? Nah, that goes against the agenda, so that couldn't be it.
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Haha, true. But the most important thing to remember, it doesn't matter what is being done, just why it's being done and if it's bad it's good.
 
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This whole idea that Butch is evolving and we should expect great results based on his staff and program changes is a bunch of hogwash. Butch used his best judgment to hire the people he wanted and do it his way. Now we are witnessing desperation mode. Next step is the coaching search.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
This whole idea that Butch is evolving and we should expect great results based on his staff and program changes is a bunch of hogwash. Butch used his best judgment to hire the people he wanted and do it his way. Now we are witnessing desperation mode. Next step is the coaching search.
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well that's one way to look at it.

the other is, most all of us clamored for many, if not all, of the changes he's made this off season. and that failure on his part to do so would be death nail on his career at TN.

so, while we have 4 months to go to see if any of these changes actually show any signs of making a difference...

we all get to do the same thing...wait and see.
 
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chargervol said:
Higher risk of injury.
He's taking a little more risk.
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It seems that most other HC's have calculated that the risk of injury is more than offset by the benefits...which include having guys learn how to avoid non-contact injuries before putting on pads.

Good move. Should have never been an issue.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
This whole idea that Butch is evolving and we should expect great results based on his staff and program changes is a bunch of hogwash. Butch used his best judgment to hire the people he wanted and do it his way. Now we are witnessing desperation mode. Next step is the coaching search.
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Even if true... and honestly I haven't really seen the kind of pressure to win at UT that would foster that level of desperation... desperation sometimes works to change the course of events.
 
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Butch can't win either way. We don't do 7v7 and people will complain that we're being too soft and need to be more physical. We implement 7v7 and others will gripe when injuries start mounting. It's a lose/lose
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
This whole idea that Butch is evolving and we should expect great results based on his staff and program changes is a bunch of hogwash. Butch used his best judgment to hire the people he wanted and do it his way. Now we are witnessing desperation mode. Next step is the coaching search.
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Well look at you. In here farting rainbows and sunshine
 
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You might as well go full speed in practice so they are ready for games. At least in practice it is a more controlled environment. If games are the most intense they have played in a year, you're just going to get your injuries in the games.

The Titans had the most intense OTAs and Training Camp they have had in a while last year. Practiced in oads every day they were allowed to. Had the least injuries to key players I remember since I started watching in the early 2000s
 
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TNinSC said:
Hope he checked with Coach Rock first. Not like we have a history of injuries affecting a season...
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So there have been injuries... without 7 on 7 work... and 7 on 7 work was a cause of the injuries?

It may seem counter-intuitive but the more you run "live" against competition in things that have risks of both contact and non-contact injuries... and can eliminate one of those causes... the better players can get at landing, twisting, turning, etc without the risk of getting hammered by a defender.

As far as I am aware, virtually every other program runs 7 on 7 drills all summer to develop QB-receiver rapport.

It is a good thing Jones changed this policy... a bad thing that he's 4 years late.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
You might as well go full speed in practice so they are ready for games. At least in practice it is a more controlled environment. If games are the most intense they have played in a year, you're just going to get your injuries in the games.

The Titans had the most intense OTAs and Training Camp they have had in a while last year. Practiced in oads every day they were allowed to. Had the least injuries to key players I remember since I started watching in the early 2000s
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7 on 7 allows guys to go full speed while taking the contact part of the risks out of the equation. Learning how to make moves and control your body without getting injured is a learned behavior that requires repetition.

Some forms of martial arts work on teaching people how to fall or otherwise move to avoid injury. This is similar.
 
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CABVOL said:
Or maybe he has young/inexperienced QB's and young/inexperienced WR's and wants to give them more opportunities to get work in? Maybe? Nah, that goes against the agenda, so that couldn't be it.
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He's had young, inexperienced QBs and WRs at other points in time since he's been here and has stood firm that he wouldn't allow 7 on 7 work. A whole lotta people, including former players, have asked why in the world he wouldn't let his players do 7 on 7, especially when everybody else in the country does it to gain timing and chemistry.....and while our passing game was generally poor/below average over the last 4 years.

Perhaps Azzani had a big influence here and with his departure Jones now decided to change course. But it sure seems more likely that the mounting pressure to win in 2017, in year 5, with a new AD, is the reason for the sudden change of heart imho.

Whatever the reason, I couldn't care less. Just glad we're coming into the 21st century now and letting our guys get better this summer with 7 on 7.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
Butch can't win either way. We don't do 7v7 and people will complain that we're being too soft and need to be more physical. We implement 7v7 and others will gripe when injuries start mounting. It's a lose/lose
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And? If injuries were a new phenomenon at UT then maybe we'd have less reason to "gripe". But his 7 on 7 policy hasn't saved UT from having critical injuries.... in fact it may have contributed to some of those injuries. Why do figure skaters practice the same routines over and over and over? Why do virtually all those who participate in activities where coordination and body control are important practice like that? The very same thing applies to receivers and cover guys in 7 on 7. They learn body control, anticipation, and coordination by repetition.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
Butch can't win either way. We don't do 7v7 and people will complain that we're being too soft and need to be more physical. We implement 7v7 and others will gripe when injuries start mounting. It's a lose/lose
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If they do 7v7, no one gets hurt, and we look like a team ready to play at the start of the season, he wins and we win. So, not doing is the bigger risk?
 
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Power T-Rev said:
Butch can't win either way. We don't do 7v7 and people will complain that we're being too soft and need to be more physical. We implement 7v7 and others will gripe when injuries start mounting. It's a lose/lose
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Sure he can win. Run the 7 on 7 with no injury and contend for the SECe and he will relieve a lot of the pressure.

121 could perform to potential and win the whole thing in Atlanta.

I like our chances.

But as for the complainers, you are right, that won't stop. Well, maybe 15-0 with no close games or any other issues could slow them down. Anything not considered perfect would probably open the floodgates. Perfect ain't easy.


Go Vols!
 
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Power T-Rev said:
Butch can't win either way. We don't do 7v7 and people will complain that we're being too soft and need to be more physical. We implement 7v7 and others will gripe when injuries start mounting. It's a lose/lose
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Why would "injuries start mounting"? Virtually every other major college football program in the country does 7 on 7. And if we do have a injury or two, so be it. It's a calculated risk that's absolutely worth taking....benefit far outweighs the risk imho.

Bottom line, it's not lose/lose. The injury risk is very low, while the chances our qbs and WRs will gain much better timing and chemistry is quite high.
 
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KBVol said:
Why would "injuries start mounting"? Virtually every other major college football program in the country does 7 on 7. And if we do have a injury or two, so be it. It's a calculated risk that's absolutely worth taking....benefit far outweighs the risk imho.

Bottom line, it's not lose/lose. The injury risk is very low, while the chances our qbs and WRs will gain much better timing and chemistry is quite high.
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No, no, no! Don't you know that UT is just smitten with "bad luck" that has nothing to do with decisions or methods? If UT does what everyone else does... it is sure to have disastrous results at UT.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well that's one way to look at it.

the other is, most all of us clamored for many, if not all, of the changes he's made this off season. and that failure on his part to do so would be death nail on his career at TN.

so, while we have 4 months to go to see if any of these changes actually show any signs of making a difference...

we all get to do the same thing...wait and see.
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There's only one change I need to see.
 
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