Butch says our D-line has "always" lined up a yard back. Is immediately proven wrong

[VFL-82-JP]

The feeling is apparently, increasingly mutual.

Maybe that Colorado job he slipped out of may have offered expectations more to his liking.

He seems to be okay with high expectations.

It's probably more all the harping and carping and nagging.

This very thread and the article that spawned it being perfect examples.

 

['Boro-vol]

He seems to be okay with high expectations.

It's probably more all the harping and carping and nagging.

This very thread and the article that spawned it being perfect examples.

It's good to know somebody on this site that has a direct line on how he feels.

Thanks for the contribution.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It's good to know somebody on this site that has a direct line on how he feels.

Thanks for the contribution.

Do you know what "seems" and "probably" mean?

 

['Boro-vol]

Do you know what "seems" and "probably" mean?

Apparently as well as you know what the word "loyalty" means.

 

[BeecherVol]

It's good to know somebody on this site that has a direct line on how he feels.

Thanks for the contribution.

Agreed.

Its one of the things he underestimated about the job.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Apparently as well as you know what the word "loyalty" means.

I'm no sure what that has to do with the definitions of "seems" and "possibly", which don't indicate a person's surety per a direct line to Jones' feelings. Do you ant to speak to that or divert?

And when have I weighed in with a definition of "loyalty"?

 

[Vol8188]

Problem is you are showing "last year". CBJ did not refer to "last year" at all - a reporter added that.

There's also a player 1 yard off in that picture

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Apparently as well as you know what the word "loyalty" means.

Oh, I know for a fact that Orange Crush knows the meaning of "loyalty". Far better than you, my friend.

But I thought we were letting that topic rest?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I'm no sure what that has to do with the definitions of "seems" and "possibly", which don't indicate a person's surety per a direct line to Jones' feelings. Do you ant to speak to that or divert?

And when have I weighed in with a definition of "loyalty"?

I think he confused you for me there, momentarily. :hi:

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

Snowflake

I'm no damn snowflake...but I guess I'd sound like one to a hipster pr!ck. My skin is thick...I could careless either way. I just want to win. I don't get on here and complain about every damn thing...like a whiny punk snowflake...like some of you.

You're right, Weezer. The coach is not the team.

But he is a part of the team. And at the end of the day, the team is nothing but people. Roughly 120 or 130 of them, including all the scholarship players, all the walk ons, and all the coaching staff.

And here's the pernicious risk we face when we refuse to support a part of that team: it can grow to include a LOT of the team. It's an attitude, a decision not to show loyalty to our lads (including coaches), and once it takes root, it can grow until we're not supporting the team at all.

Consider this:

we hate Butch, want him replaced.
we hate Shoop, want him gone.
we hate Jumper, want him benched.
we hate Martin, think he's a terrible corner back.
we hate Thigpen, don't trust him to develop LBs.
we hate Guarantano, think he's a spoiled brat.
we hate KMac / Richmond / Mosley / Thomas / Kongbo / etc., think he's a bust.
we hate ...

Once you open that door, that Pandora's box, it's real hard to shut it again.

Until you're not supporting the team at all. You're trying to rip it to pieces.

Loyalty is a virtue. It costs nothing to say, "he's our coach until he isn't; as long as he is, I've got his back." And it means a lot to the Team to know their fans are behind them, through thick and thin.

The fans on this board are going the opposite direction lately.

VFL-82-JP.....easy now....you're gonna be called a "snowflake" too like me.

 

['Boro-vol]

I'm no sure what that has to do with the definitions of "seems" and "possibly", which don't indicate a person's surety per a direct line to Jones' feelings. Do you ant to speak to that or divert?

And when have I weighed in with a definition of "loyalty"?

My apologies...I thought I was responding to VFL-82-JP who made the original post I responded to. We had a previous discussion in this thread.

Sorry if my misdirected response to someone else triggered you.

I guess I need to apologize to VFL-82-JP for assuming poorly of him.

Proceed....there is still much water to be carried for Butch.

 

['Boro-vol]

I think he confused you for me there, momentarily. :hi:

Apologies....my mistake.

 

['Boro-vol]

Oh, I know for a fact that Orange Crush knows the meaning of "loyalty". Far better than you, my friend.

But I thought we were letting that topic rest?

We were....then I mistook his statement for you. Again, apologies.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think he confused you for me there, momentarily. :hi:

I'm convinced he did.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Apologies....my mistake.

:hi: No harm, no foul. I've done it enough to feel embarrassed.

 

[Orange_Crush]

My apologies...I thought I was responding to VFL-82-JP who made the original post I responded to. We had a previous discussion in this thread.

Sorry if my misdirected response to someone else triggered you.

I guess I need to apologize to VFL-82-JP for assuming poorly of him.

Proceed....there is still much water to be carried for Butch.

NM... You have a nice day, Boro. I'll show some grace and move on from your edit.

 

[volfannbama]

You can't even see how the Petraeus-Jones analogy that you're pushing breaks down, can you? That one involves illegal and unethical behavior, while the other completely does not?

Your logic circuits are not functioning at full efficiency this morning, VFnB. That's a pretty basic discrepancy to miss.

Okay, take Petraus out of it and insert George Bush commanding a military in battle. Same thing.

 

['Boro-vol]

NM... You have a nice day, Boro. I'll show some grace and move on from your edit.

Many thanks.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

VFL-82-JP.....easy now....you're gonna be called a "snowflake" too like me.

Heh, man, it'll just be another credential to put on our gravestones one day, I guess.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Okay, take Petraus out of it and insert George Bush commanding a military in battle. Same thing.

I didn't realize that George Bush (W.? Or H.W.?) ever commanded our troops in battle. I mean, I know H.W. was a WW II pilot, and so may have had a command. But I don't know if he's the one you're talking about.

They were both, naturally, commanders in chief for our nation. But that's far different from commanding troops in battle.

Please explain what you mean.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Apologies....my mistake.

No worries, Boro. We butt heads a lot, but you're a good dude, at the end of the day.

 

[volfannbama]

I didn't realize that George Bush (W.? Or H.W.?) ever commanded our troops in battle. I mean, I know H.W. was a WW II pilot, and so may have had a command. But I don't know if he's the one you're talking about.

They were both, naturally, commanders in chief for our nation. But that's far different from commanding troops in battle.

Please explain what you mean.

W was commander in Chief during wartime and people criticized him. So to your analogy, he is the Heaf coach, assitance are the generals and players are the troops. All the same.

What i find funny about conversations like this are that organizations take the form of their leader. In this instance, CBJ might be one of the most thinned skinned coaches around and many of our fans follow suit.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

W was commander in Chief during wartime and people criticized him. So to your analogy, he is the Heaf coach, assitance are the generals and players are the troops. All the same.

What i find funny about conversations like this are that organizations take the form of their leader. In this instance, CBJ might be one of the most thinned skinned coaches around and many of our fans follow suit.

He actually seems pretty thick-skinned to me. Just keeps driving on with his mission in spite of all the crabbing and nagging and cheap shots.

 

[Weezer]

Just holding up a mirror for you to look at yourself, man. You're the one who argued that loyalty isn't owed unless we owe gratitude as well. That was your entire argument, spread over three paragraphs.

I'm not the one who put that definition of "loyalty" into your post, Boro. You did. If now you don't like it, well, change it.

Loyalty is earned. It's not given freely to someone paid millions a year to coach a team. Only sheep follow blindly. When/if the big wins come, then Butch will have earned the loyalty of the fans.

But even then, loyalty doesn't protect you from criticism. When a coach under performs, questions need to be asked. Otherwise, you let loyalty lead to the downfall of the program.

 

[UTwild82]

yeah i do get the impression that he's just started trolling everyone with a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" attitude

it really must be a "i'm not explaining myself anymore" situation, because there's no way you're going to flat out convince this fan base that they've always lined up like this. barnett got in trouble a few times for having his hands and/or helmet over the line of scrimmage at the snap.

not really following his logic here to say that. i'm 99% sure he doesn't really believe that, and he's just saying whatever to try to make everyone feel as stupid as he's been made to feel for the past couple of seasons

I'd bet this is spot on.