Butch says our D-line has "always" lined up a yard back. Is immediately proven wrong

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VFL-82-JP said:
This truly is fake news.

Butch never said anything about last year.

The dude who wrote this internet blog completely misunderstood, and is now dragging most of the people in this thread along with him in his stupidity.

Here is, verbatim, the question asked and what Butch actually said in response (you'll notice he never mentions, or even alludes to, last year):



Already discussed this in the thread about the press conference (Butch Press Conference today -- Mon, 11 Sep). All you had to do was look there before posting, OP, and you'd have known this is a red herring.
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Yah - I just watched this (question is in the last part of the video). There is no question that CBJ is indeed dodging the question. I have seen politicians do it ALL the time and its the same tactic. His barely concealed smile when the question is asked and then he sort of affirms the question (typical mental stalling technique to come up with answer) then he begins rambling on the importance of communications when lining up against non-traditional offenses. Whole point of that was to bury that question. There is absolutely NO CHANCE Butch isnt well aware of how far they were off the line these last 2 games - and it was intentional.

This week I think we will see Shoops real defense package and we will get a real look at what we have (even tho Gators are weak). I think they consider themselves thin on D and were not willing to risk much with injuries in 2 non-conference games and end up where they were last year. I think everyone of those coaches has the SEC-E firmly in their sights. Will we get there? Dunno but we wont have failed because we are going to be lining up 5 feet off the LOS in SEC play (games that matter for SECE).
 
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PowerSweep said:
He is the head coach f chrissakes..but 1st and 15 is easily the right choice so an indictment of all really
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No, not really. Not at all, in fact.

While that was happening, live, I understood exactly why the coaches were discussing it.

Taking a down away from a triple-option offense can be a lot more painful than taking 5 yards away from them. Under some conditions, it's smarter to decline the penalty and give them fewer opportunities to get a 1st down.

This particular penalty, the two choices were right in the grey area. So Butch was asking his DC which one he preferred, before letting the refs know.

It made perfect sense to me at the time, and still does today.
 
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Did anyone actually look at the image?

There's literally a defensive lineman lined up one yard off in the pictures used to "prove" him wrong.

Whoever wrote the article is a hack.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Kind of a post script to the above:

Communications and public affairs experts educate and train the leaders for whom they work--like head football coaches. One of the things they teach, religiously, is to go into every interview and press conference with their key messages already figured out.

They further teach the leaders to look for opportunities to "turn" or "pivot" questions in the direction they want to go. One doesn't have to wait for the reporters to ask about "X" or "Y"...take any question that's somewhere close to the topic, and "turn" it so that you land on one of your key messages.

Butch has been trained this way. I know that for a fact, because I've seen him do this (sometimes more adroitly than others) many times over the years he's been our head coach.

I think that's what we're seeing, when sometimes his answer seems a bit off kilter to the question. That's him "pivoting" toward one of his key messages.

I think that is, in part, what we saw with the alignment question and answer.

They asked about alignment and spacing. He wanted to talk about communication and development. So he talked about communication and development after a "pivot" sentence.
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The pivoting away from questions to a pre determined message are for a reason. He has spent a lot of effort toward framing the perception from day 1. He has been pretty successful with many in that regard.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The pivoting away from questions to a pre determined message are for a reason. He has spent a lot of effort toward framing the perception from day 1. He has been pretty successful with many in that regard.
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Yep, it always is. For a reason, I mean. It's why you pivot. :)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, not really. Not at all, in fact.

While that was happening, live, I understood exactly why the coaches were discussing it.

Taking a down away from a triple-option offense can be a lot more painful than taking 5 yards away from them. Under some conditions, it's smarter to decline the penalty and give them fewer opportunities to get a 1st down.

This particular penalty, the two choices were right in the grey area. So Butch was asking his OC which one he preferred, before letting the refs know.

It made perfect sense to me at the time, and still does today.
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Really? You think it is good strategy to give an option offense 6 yards? You think the o/u on the next play is 6 yards? If so what a total loser mentality.

The big indictment was not calling to after first down w :42 left in half and 2 to's..that just says, "hey guys..I am not very smart". Because you are saying it is likely with 20-25 seconds left that you'll have TWO MORE non 1st down plays..which is dumb..and if your brain doesnt work that fast you shouldnt be making millions a year at this.
 
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PowerSweep said:
Really? You think it is good strategy to give an option offense 6 yards? You think the o/u on the next play is 6 yards? If so what a total loser mentality.

The big indictment was not calling to after first down w :42 left in half and 2 to's..that just says, "hey guys..I am not very smart". Because you are saying it is likely with 20-25 seconds left that you'll have TWO MORE non 1st down plays..which is dumb..and if your brain doesnt work that fast you shouldnt be making millions a year at this.
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I think it's almost always a good idea to get a triple-option team "behind the chains," and to deny them the ability to control the clock.

2nd and 9 is well behind the chains. And gives them less clock control.

1st and 15, though the distance is farther, is surprisingly perhaps not as daunting to a triple-o team.

But it's a close thing...which is precisely why Butch was giving his DC the choice, his preference.

As for everything else you went on about, yes, I'm sure you're much smarter than Butch Jones about the game of football. That's why you get paid so much more than him to coach it. :)
 
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This is the same guy who thought on 4th and goal at the one a fg wasnthe prudent option.

72% x 7 pts is 5
100% x 3 pts is 3

Simple math, and that doesnt even take into acct the residual benefit of having the opposing team at their own 1 if you dont get it
 
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Didn't read the thread, don't have time right now. We discussed this the other day and I said I would go back and look, I did.
We did line a yard off several times, depending on the team and the situation.

So for the people at the beginning of the thread who asked "how dumb does he think we are", not sure how dumb he thinks you are, but doesn't mean you should prove him right.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Do you not remember that he was hugely, widely supported by the American people the entire time he was leading our troops in Iraq, and then at CENTCOM?

Do you not remember that the American people (rightfully) turned against him later, after he retired from uniform to take charge of the CIA, when it became known that he violated the law by revealing classified information to a person not cleared for it?

Both those reactions by the American people were right and good. Loyalty, and then a demand for accountability when illegal and unethical behavior was revealed.
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Do you not remember that CBJ was widely supported by the overwhelming majority of Tennessee fans when he was first hired? Do you not remember that people began to turn against him as he proved he wasnt a very good football coach? Do you not realize he is still widely supported by the majority of Tennessee fans?
 
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PowerSweep said:
Yeah..I am sure belichik and saban would have to confer with people in the booth to determine their decision
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I'm not sure Butch "had to" confer, nor do you. You're assuming he did confer. I'm merely saying that if he did confer, it doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on him.

As a leader, I invite input every day in order to make more informed decisions (especially from the people with an R on the RACI chart). That's not a bad trait.

If you're grudging Butch over inviting input as he makes decisions, you either (1) have a skewed idea of hat leadership is supposed to look like, (2) just want to sharpen an agenda against Butch, or (3) all of the above.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm not sure Butch "had to" confer, nor do you. You're assuming he did confer. I'm merely saying that if he did confer, it doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on him.

As a leader, I invite input every day in order to make more informed decisions (especially from the people with an R on the RACI chart). That's not a bad trait.
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You are assuming that most on here know what a RACI chart is. :)

And I agree he should conferring with the responsible parties - he hired them to give input into decisions made. He would not be a good leader if he did not consult them - though he can overrule them.
 
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volfannbama said:
Do you not remember that CBJ was widely supported by the overwhelming majority of Tennessee fans when he was first hired? Do you not remember that people began to turn against him as he proved he wasnt a very good football coach? Do you not realize he is still widely supported by the majority of Tennessee fans?
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You can't even see how the Petraeus-Jones analogy that you're pushing breaks down, can you? That one involves illegal and unethical behavior, while the other completely does not?

Your logic circuits are not functioning at full efficiency this morning, VFnB. That's a pretty basic discrepancy to miss.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm not sure Butch "had to" confer, nor do you. You're assuming he did confer. I'm merely saying that if he did confer, it doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on him.

As a leader, I invite input every day in order to make more informed decisions (especially from the people with an R on the RACI chart). That's not a bad trait.

If you're grudging Butch over inviting input as he makes decisions, you either (1) have a skewed idea of hat leadership is supposed to look like, (2) just want to sharpen an agenda against Butch, or (3) all of the above.
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No if about it..when I got back from the game I watched it and you can see him frantically yelling into the booth, "1st and 15 or 2nd and 9?!!!"...

And as far as leadership, yeah..decisions like, "should we expand our product offerings and how will that pact our business" is a complicated question with many variables

This is not one of those types of decisions..again, saban and belichik aren't frantically asking others what the decision should be like butch was. t isnt a complex problem
 
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CoaxialOrange said:
Maybe we should get closer to the ball considering this obviously isn't working. Maybe we will get lucky and inadvertently trip someone in the backfield
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It's working though. We have healthy Dlinemen for the games that matter. The purpose in lining up off the line by a yard was to protect linemens knees. I could give a damn about the yardage given up versus ISU and GT. Keep kids healthy and see what we do versus traditional SEC programs.
 
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