Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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PowerSweep said:
why do you think he said someone told him that? why do you think he found that important to note, if not to essentially say, "hey guys..sometimes this stuff takes longer than you think it should"? I mean, he didn't mention the guy who said he should win an sec title yr 3 did he?

It is like an interviewer saying, "some people have said..." to make a point the interviewer wants to make
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And, when his comment is taken in the appropriate context with other statements he's made this year regarding our youth and inexperience and "actually being younger than last year's team".....and, in particular, when coupled with his recent statement about Frank Beamer and "that's what happens when a program/university is patient and allows the coach time to build a program", etc, etc....then we know pretty much exactly what he was saying and why he was saying it.

He's doing a good job as evidenced, in particular, by the last 3 games. No reason to make a comment like this and swing at the hornet's nest...just keep performing and be quiet and let things play out. He just invited unnecessary criticism for some reason.
 
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KBVol said:
And, when his comment is taken in the appropriate context with other statements he's made this year regarding our youth and inexperience and "actually being younger than last year's team".....and, in particular, when coupled with his recent statement about Frank Beamer and "that's what happens when a program/university is patient and allows the coach time to build a program", etc, etc....then we know pretty much exactly what he was saying and why he was saying it.

He's doing a good job as evidenced, in particular, by the last 3 games. No reason to make a comment like this and swing at the hornet's nest...just keep performing and be quiet and let things play out. He just invited unnecessary criticism for some reason.
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good points KB. and i think if one keeps the criticism of the comment to this, then i there's a lot of merit to it.

in the end, after listening to it, i don't think there's that much to it, at least as far as having expectations for any given season. it really was more about how you sustain long term success, what it takes to build the kind of quality depth to sustain it. like it should be the goal to get to that point...like an alabama or FSU or Clemson or LSU etc.....

because in the same context you mention above, he's also talked ad nauseum about building a program, not a team.

if nothing else, he's been very consistent in that message....his insistence on the process, building for long term, etc......which isn't a bad thing. it just can't always be process....at some point along the way, there can be results too!!:)
 
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volunteerfan said:
CBJ is in year 3 and most people are tired of hearing him talk. Yeah we get that he wants to build a program and not just a team but damn butch, quit talking and win. I get that he has done wonders compared to what the last coach ever did but the bottom line is we are 4-4 right now. I don't want to hear what we are projected win because nobody knows with this coaching staff until the scoreboard has all zeros. We are 4-4 right now and y'all can spin that like its 8 or 9 wins but do you really know that for sure? I really wish he would take the approach michigan's coach takes by letting the play on the field do the talking
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Haha haha haha yes, Jim Harbaugh quiet? Wow maybe Jones can take his shirt off in front of a bunch of high school kids and act like a damned buffoon.
 
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butchna said:
Quit torturing yourself and just watch the games. Poring over his interviews and press conferences is not a healthy enterprise for you. You're going to find something to get your blood pressure pinging and we'll be deprived of your future contributions. :sad:
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I'm done listening to what comes out of cbj's mouth. I give him all the credit for having more talent and making the games closer but the talking that he has done on the field says 4-4
 
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Butch does need to just sthu. For all that are actually defending this bs, at the end of the day WINS are what matter not moral victories. This "we're close" nonsense has gotta end. We're there, Butch just had to lead the team to close the deal and we would be sitting in the drivers seat to Atlanta. Piss poor managing damn near sealed his fate if not for the Georgia victory.
 
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So what I gather from this, many fans still think Butch is talking to the fans and the media during his interviews and pressers. Shaking my head, nope, still to the team and coaches. He has one boss, but is accountable to every player and every member of the coaching staff, this is his audience and as for the rest I us, we are the peanut gallery.

And if anyone thinks CBJ misspoke, or is not communicating the message he intends during an interview , your naive.

On the sidelines is where, he is candid and emotional, he needs to dial that down a notch, follow the chart, and win out.

Go Vols!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Florida recruiting: 247 rankings

Yeah Florida has no talent at all. It ALL depends on coaching. All those 4 and 5* players have nothing to do with it. I mean McElwain walked into a roster filled to the brim with Sun Belt level talent. Yes he has done a good job, but dont make it sound like he walked into a bare cupboard and had to basically rebuild it all.
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Mcelwain is doing what he's paid to do....WIN
 
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volunteerfan said:
So you're taking jones over harbaugh?
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We got guys in here who have suggested through their comments that they'd rather have Jones than Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh and Miles....I'm sure there are others.

Jones may wind up being an all-time great like those guys, who knows. I think he's doing a very good job overall with the program, just needs to learn from and correct his game management philosophies and stop with all the tortured press conference excuses IMHO, but otherwise is doing a very good job. However, if you told me we could switch Jones for any of the top coaches in college football today like the ones mentioned above, I'd do it TODAY and not ask a single question or look back for one second. Those guys are proven winners.
 
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KBVol said:
We got guys in here who have suggested through their comments that they'd rather have Jones than Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh and Miles....I'm sure there are others.

Jones may wind up being an all-time great like those guys, who knows. I think he's doing a very good job overall with the program, just needs to learn from and correct his game management philosophies and stop with all the tortured press conference excuses IMHO, but otherwise is doing a very good job. However, if you told me we could switch Jones for any of the top coaches in college football today like the ones mentioned above, I'd do it TODAY and not ask a single question or look back for one second. Those guys are proven winners.
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i agree.
let me as you this........would you take Kiffin back, hypothetically of course? and before the gut reaction hits, stop and think about it for a second...
 
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KBVol said:
We got guys in here who have suggested through their comments that they'd rather have Jones than Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh and Miles....I'm sure there are others.

Jones may wind up being an all-time great like those guys, who knows. I think he's doing a very good job overall with the program, just needs to learn from and correct his game management philosophies and stop with all the tortured press conference excuses IMHO, but otherwise is doing a very good job. However, if you told me we could switch Jones for any of the top coaches in college football today like the ones mentioned above, I'd do it TODAY and not ask a single question or look back for one second. Those guys are proven winners.
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When Saban hired Kiffen, I lost respect. When Miles wanted to call time out to stop the clock after a turnover, I lost respect. When Myers, quit because of health reasons and then returned to coach in an easier situation ,I lost respect. When Harbough got fired from the 9ners, I was glad and I'm not really a fan of the team, but a friend of mine is and he said it was time because he had lost the team.

Should we go after Spurier? He is a proven winner. Nope.

Get to work Butch.

Go Vols!
 
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volunteerfan said:
So you're taking jones over harbaugh?
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The post said be quiet and he used Harbaugh as an example.
And no, I would not want Harbaugh. He's a complete a$$ and his attitude would not go well at UT. Coaches have to win but they also have to "fit" the situation as well. Harbaugh would definitely not fit at UT.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
When Saban hired Kiffen, I lost respect. When Miles wanted to call time out to stop the clock after a turnover, I lost respect. When Myers, quit because of health reasons and then returned to coach in an easier situation ,I lost respect. When Harbough got fired from the 9ners, I was glad and I'm not really a fan of the team, but a friend of mine is and he said it was time because he had lost the team.

Should we go after Spurier? He is a proven winner. Nope.

Get to work Butch.

Go Vols!
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Harbaugh lost the team? I guess that's why all the talented players either retired(in their prime) or left after he left.
 
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KBVol said:
We got guys in here who have suggested through their comments that they'd rather have Jones than Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh and Miles....I'm sure there are others.

Jones may wind up being an all-time great like those guys, who knows. I think he's doing a very good job overall with the program, just needs to learn from and correct his game management philosophies and stop with all the tortured press conference excuses IMHO, but otherwise is doing a very good job. However, if you told me we could switch Jones for any of the top coaches in college football today like the ones mentioned above, I'd do it TODAY and not ask a single question or look back for one second. Those guys are proven winners.
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No. Some of us like our coach and can see the vast improvements that are taking place and see no reason to make a change. No disrespect to the other coaches at all. Well except Harbaugh as he is a DB.
 
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ReaderVol said:
The post said be quiet and he used Harbaugh as an example.
And no, I would not want Harbaugh. He's a complete a$$ and his attitude would not go well at UT. Coaches have to win but they also have to "fit" the situation as well. Harbaugh would definitely not fit at UT.
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You've got to be effin kidding me.
 
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volunteerfan said:
Harbaugh lost the team? I guess that's why all the talented players either retired(in their prime) or left after he left.
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Yep ,that is what one fan of the team, told me after he was fired, to be honest I don't know why he was fired , maybe because he didn't win enough games.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
When Saban hired Kiffen, I lost respect. When Miles wanted to call time out to stop the clock after a turnover, I lost respect. When Myers, quit because of health reasons and then returned to coach in an easier situation ,I lost respect. When Harbough got fired from the 9ners, I was glad and I'm not really a fan of the team, but a friend of mine is and he said it was time because he had lost the team.

Should we go after Spurier? He is a proven winner. Nope.

Get to work Butch.

Go Vols!
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Who is Kiffen,Spurier and Myers?
 
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all Harbaugh has done is win where ever he goes.

he takes Stanford to Rose bowls. 49ers to the Super bowl.

that doesn't suck. that fits.
 
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KBVol said:
...if you told me we could switch Jones for any of the top coaches in college football today like the ones mentioned above, I'd do it TODAY and not ask a single question or look back for one second. Those guys are proven winners.
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I wouldn't, KB. Not because I have any false illusions that Butch is a better coach than all of them, but because I believe in commitment and loyalty.

Before we ever hired Butch, they might any of them have been better options (one exception; I'll hit that in a sec). One day when Jones is gone, they might be great options (if they're still coaching).

But today, today we've got a head coach. And I'm gonna back him 100% as long as he's working his azz off for us, is doing it the right way with integrity and focus on the players, and is taking us the right direction.

Commitment and loyalty have to go two ways. Folks want to see Butch's loyalty when job openings like Va Tech come up. But some are not willing to give loyalty in return. That is hypocrisy, which is antithetical to the values I hold dear.

Oh yeah, the exception: Meyer. Don't respect his values, not one bit. He's a brilliant coach, but reportedly a horrible person. Wouldn't want him even if it were a 100% lock to win championships with him.

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i agree.
let me as you this........would you take Kiffin back, hypothetically of course? and before the gut reaction hits, stop and think about it for a second...
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Jake, I know you asked KB, not me, but I'll toss my $.02 in: hell no. Same reason as for Meyer, above. No values, do not want. Not worth it, even if championships were guaranteed.
 
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Hey vfl-82-jp, butch really showed his loyalty when he leveraged other job openings to get a contract extension
 
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