Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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QuickSmurf said:
CWM was a great recruiter while he was at Florida. CJM is very fortunate.
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Weren't UF fans wondering before the season started where they could get 5 wins? Even UT fans were laughing at the Gators. Oops!

Most fans were even making fun of them after the ECU and UK games. No one, NO ONE, was talking about how Muschamp left the roster stocked.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Florida has one of the best defenses in the nation. They aren't winning because of offense. They're winning in spite of their offense.
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The improvement in the win-loss record is because of the improvement of the offense.

What I am about to say is heresy, but Florida's defense is not as good as the ranking or reputation.

The offenses they have faced, for the most part, are God awful or at least God awful at the time the game was played.

The offenses of the SEC East are pitiful. 6 of the bottom 7 offenses in the SEC are in the East
 
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tvolsfan said:
The point is good coaches win quickly. If we're being honest, things usually get worse after 6-7 years, not better.
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Yep. It didn't take Saban 6-7yrs. He was winning his second year in, and Bama wasn't in any better shape when he took over, than UT was when Butch took over. Kevin Sumlin didn't need 6-7yrs to win at TAM. McElwain didn't need 6-7yrs. Art Briles didn't need 6-7yrs.

Butch, just like Dooley did, realizes he has to sell the fanbase excuses, in order to buy time. Just that simple. I'm not saying he should be fired, at this point...but I'm not going to be bowing at his alter either...like a lot of sheep here, are in the habit of doing.

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I honestly don't understand how anyone can look at this guy and take him seriously.
 
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Just when I thought I couldn't have any less respect for Butch, he drops a bomb like this. Dude knows he will never get it done at Tennessee. Trying to lay the groundwork to stay as long as possible in spite of it.

Just leave Butch.
 
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utvolkyle06 said:
I have a question for Gator99, LawGator and others. I am very sincere with this question. I do not visit or care to visit other teams sites, so I don't know the answer to this question. Are there VOL fans that are so prominent on Gator sites as you guys are in ours? And if so how are they treated by Gator fans? I am just curious.
That being said I have no problem either way just curious.
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Nothing wrong with those guys. Now bamawriter...different story. Wish he would stick to ****ing his mom/sister rather than post.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Just when I thought I couldn't have any less respect for Butch, he drops a bomb like this. Dude knows he will never get it done at Tennessee. Trying to lay the groundwork to stay as long as possible in spite of it.

Just leave Butch.
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I wish he would go to Virginia Tech. His games are much more fun when he's on the opposing sideline.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Yep. It didn't take Saban 6-7yrs. He was winning his second year in, and Bama wasn't in any better shape when he took over, than UT was when Butch took over. Kevin Sumlin didn't need 6-7yrs to win at TAM. McElwain didn't need 6-7yrs. Art Briles didn't need 6-7yrs.

Butch, just like Dooley did, realizes he has to sell the fanbase excuses, in order to buy time. Just that simple. I'm not saying he should be fired, at this point...but I'm not going to be bowing at his alter either...like a lot of sheep here, are in the habit of doing.



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People on here are talking about losing one or two games and the SEC and maybe go to the playoffs in the next year. He could, but won't. I would be making excuses before next season too.
 
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Just gonna offer a different way of looking at it when Butch says stuff like this.

So he has a plan, right? A schematic for getting the Tennessee program back to competing for championships, year in and year out. And it's like a builder, living in his house while he's building it: as you go along, you learn more about the property, you gain a better understanding of it and what it needs. So you amend and add to the plan.

Especially when your property is in the ultra-fabulous SEC neighborhood, with levels of complexity you never saw at earlier places.

And each thing you put on the plan adds time to the equation. Can't do everything at once, you can multitask some but there are only so many hours in a day, so things get stacked up. Plus, some things come in their own time: 25 schollys a year, no more, with 85 cap...no more than 10 assistant coaches...financial budget has to be observed.

So Butch may not be saying, "give me 6-7 years before we're winning championships," the way most of us interpret it. He may just be saying, "hey look, we got a lot of work to do here, my master plan now extends out to year 6 or 7."

Those are two very different statements, but they can easily be misinterpreted by VolNation to sound like he's answering one rather than the other.

Maybe that's what's going on here, and he just doesn't realize that we're taking it a different way than he's saying it.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Just gonna offer a different way of looking at it when Butch says stuff like this.

So he has a plan, right? A schematic for getting the Tennessee program back to competing for championships, year in and year out. And it's like a builder, living in his house while he's building it: as you go along, you learn more about the property, you gain a better understanding of it and what it needs. So you amend and add to the plan.

Especially when your property is in the ultra-fabulous SEC neighborhood, with levels of complexity you never saw at earlier places.

And each thing you put on the plan adds time to the equation. Can't do everything at once, you can multitask some but there are only so many hours in a day, so things get stacked up. Plus, some things come in their own time: 25 schollys a year, no more, with 85 cap...no more than 10 assistant coaches...financial budget has to be observed.

So Butch may not be saying, "give me 6-7 years before we're winning championships," the way most of us interpret it. He may just be saying, "hey look, we got a lot of work to do here, my master plan now extends out to year 6 or 7."

Those are two very different statements, but they can easily be misinterpreted by VolNation to sound like he's answering one rather than the other.

Maybe that's what's going on here, and he just doesn't realize that we're taking it a different way than he's saying it.
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I loled.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Yep, I think he means to get to where LSU and bammer are now. To the point where the teams are almost automatically in the top 10 at the beginning of every season and at the end of every season.
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Nah. He meant back to the top of the SEC E. His failures in coaching (most of the fanbase saw him as a fraud after the UF and Ark loss....all sizzle and no steak) THIS year, cost the team from getting there NOW. basically, he knows HE set this program back a year from getting where it should be THIS year. That instant gratification BS pisses me off. Nobody here expected an SEC E crown his first season or the last....but there is more than enough talent on this team to be sitting atop the SEC E RIGHT NOW!

He got off the hook after the UGA loss, but man, the heat would have been all over him if he let that game get away, and it was nearly a blowout loss....down 24-3, the players really stepped up and made the clutch plays to save the season....and his job. He was that close.

Again, I just hope he has learned a valuable lesson from all of this, after coming so close...cause losing 5 games in a season where we should have no more than 2, with all this talent, would have been disastrous. He should use the rest of the season to really open the offense up and play balls to the wall, rather than coaching not to lose.
 
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6-7 years to become prominent? Wow! I bet our last two stellar recruiting classes love digesting this piece of news.

Thanks in advance for getting us to the "Promised Land" boys, even though you'll never see it.

WTF???
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Nah. He meant back to the top of the SEC E. His failures in coaching (most of the fanbase saw him as a fraud after the UF and Ark loss....all sizzle and no steak) THIS year, cost the team from getting there NOW. basically, he knows HE set this program back a year from getting where it should be THIS year. That instant gratification BS pisses me off. Nobody here expected an SEC E crown his first season or the last....but there is more than enough talent on this team to be sitting atop the SEC E RIGHT NOW!

He got off the hook after the UGA loss, but man, the heat would have been all over him if he let that game get away, and it was nearly a blowout loss....down 24-3, the players really stepped up and made the clutch plays to save the season....and his job. He was that close.

Again, I just hope he has learned a valuable lesson from all of this, after coming so close...cause losing 5 games in a season where we should have no more than 2, with all this talent, would have been disastrous. He should use the rest of the season to really open the offense up and play balls to the wall, rather than coaching not to lose.
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Easy to do when you play the November pushovers we've got.
 
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The revisionism on this board concerning Florida is laughable. Most people were saying before the season started that "if you don't get Florida this year, you never will", "Florida is so down this is definitely our year" blah, blah, blah. Now, miraculously, it was apparently clear as day that the Gators were a national power and that we couldn't possibly hope to have beaten them.
Change the names of the coach and the University, and print this same article in Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, or Baton Rouge. How do you thing their fan bases would react?
 
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Woah Woah Woah. he has a very important skill a lot of good coaches have. The ability to recognize a weakness. If you can find the problem, you can find a way to fix the problem. Butch is gonna do some wonderful things for Tennessee
 
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Maybe Jones just had lunch with Coach Majors? Took him 7 years to get to a 9-win season...maybe that's it.

Otoh, Saban had 3 national titles by year 7 at Alabama, so I'm not sure what to make of all of this. Should we expect 9 wins in 2019 or that Jones is 2 titles down and one to go?
 
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SleepingGiantVols said:
Woah Woah Woah. he has a very important skill a lot of good coaches have. The ability to recognize a weakness. If you can find the problem, you can find a way to fix the problem. Butch is gonna do some wonderful things for Tennessee
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Some would argue butch is the problem.
 
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Volgrad98 said:
Some would argue butch is the problem.
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For those folks, I'd respond: the "problem" has us improving at a rate of +1.5 to +2 games per year. 5 in '13, 7 in '14, likely 8 or 9 in '15.

That rate of improvement is almost unheard of in Tennessee history.

We need more "problems" like that.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
For those folks, I'd respond: the "problem" has us improving at a rate of +1.5 to +2 games per year. 5 in '13, 7 in '14, likely 8 or 9 in '15.

That rate of improvement is almost unheard of in Tennessee history.

We need more "problems" like that.
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You have to look at the starting point. If a coach takes over a 9-10 win team it's hard to improve 1.5-2 games per year. When you start at 5 with 3 OOC creampuffs on the schedule and a weak SEC E it's not that difficult.
 
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99gator said:
Butch Jones: It takes six or seven years in the SEC to build a program

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While we live in a world of instant gratification, Jones — just in his 3rd season in Knoxville — scaled back expectations a little and indicated that he may need an additional three years at the least to fully bring the Vols back to prominence. Jones identified weak spots right now in the program such as the offensive line, defensive line and receivers.
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I think that is a tad too long, but UF's situation wasn't as bad as UT's either. UT didn't have a top-5 defense in the country when CBJ arrived. Despite Muschamp's deficiencies, he could recruit/scheme a good defense. A very good defense, good RB, keep you out of trouble QB and serviceable OL will win many, many games. In my estimation, UF had all of those. UT did not.

Still 6+ years? Nah; no way.

The evidence just doesn't support it - aTm & MZ coming into the SEC successfully, Vandy's rise, Ole Miss's rise, MState's rise, etc. etc.

Some time, but not an eternity which is what 6-7 years looks like in college FB.
 
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