Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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Can we find complain about something else too, or can we enjoy getting ready for the beatdown Saturday?
 
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thebjd said:
True. He also recruited the roster he inherited.
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I'm sure Phil helped but Johnny Majors had an all star coaching staff for several years leading up to the 92 season including Larry Lacewell, Walt Harris, Ken Donahue, David Cutcliffe, Kippy Brown, Doug Matthews, Tim Mingey (recruiting coordinator 90-91) long time and still one of the top NFL scouts. Majors was never afraid to have great coaches.

Phil certainly recruited well after becoming the HC here. I wonder if he would have the same recruiting success now having to go up against good to great coaches at nearly every SEC school.
 
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99gator said:
Butch Jones: It takes six or seven years in the SEC to build a program

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While we live in a world of instant gratification, Jones — just in his 3rd season in Knoxville — scaled back expectations a little and indicated that he may need an additional three years at the least to fully bring the Vols back to prominence. Jones identified weak spots right now in the program such as the offensive line, defensive line and receivers.
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Butch's soft, scared coaching botched 2-3 games, that should have been wins. I just hope the major dust-up scared him enough to change that philosophy for good. If you coach scared/not-to-lose in the SEC, it will chew you up and spit you out, as a coach.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Butch's soft, scared coaching botched 2-3 games, that should have been wins. I just hope the major dust-up scared him enough to change that philosophy for good. If you coach scared/not-to-lose in the SEC, it will chew you up and spit you out, as a coach.
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yeah and whatever we do lets not give Butch any credit at all, for having the team competitive in those games instead of just being blown out. Butch is the reason the team played well enough to win those games in the first place.

I just honestly don't understand the ignorance displayed by some in our fan base.
 
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Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC
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Saban (twice), Malzahn, Miles, Richt, Meyer, and Chizik all won the SEC within three years. And that's just since 2000.

Someone throw a brick at this guy.
 
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Bleed-Orange said:
If he means 6 yrs to win a championship ok, that's how long it took CFP (who happened to be 11-1 yr 3).
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Fulmer never built a program. He took over a program that had won the SEC 2 of the previous 3 years that was loaded with talent. The program Fulmer took over was far, far better than the program he left behind. That be a fact.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Majors left Phil with a lot of talent. Different situation.
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Fulmer helped Majors build that roster and was OC for some of the best years that Majors had. And Fulmer still had to recruit and win after Majors left. Which he did at a level not seen at Tennessee in recent history.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So Muschamp had 3 straight losing seasons and recruited no OL in 2012?

Your Butch hate is pathetically asinine.
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Champ recruited 2 offensive lineman in 2012.

Dj humphries is in the NFL. Jessaman Dunker got kicked out of school. There are no lineman on the squad from the 2012 class. There is one lineman on the squad from the 2013 class.
 
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EZE said:
He is not saying it takes 6-7 years to win or compete for championships. What I think he is saying is that it takes that much time to have your culture completely in place and have quality numbers at every position.
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Yep, I think he means to get to where LSU and bammer are now. To the point where the teams are almost automatically in the top 10 at the beginning of every season and at the end of every season.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Most of us have figured out that almost anything that comes out of his mouth is BS coach speak

No one will take this seriously, as they shouldn't. Butch doesn't even believe it.

Remember, we are talking about the guy who said "Best Staff in America"
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Bingo
We all know he is is great showman and promoter.
What Vol fans look at now is results.
And, I think we are going to like what we see.
The future is a very bright shade of orange!
 
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Butch is gonna say what he's gonna say. Fact is, we were in the race for the East (and so the SEC) this year, and we will be every year from here on. From this point, every year is a potential championship year for the Vols.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Saban (twice), Malzahn, Miles, Richt, Meyer, and Chizik all won the SEC within three years. And that's just since 2000.

Someone throw a brick at this guy.
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Butch said build a program not have one great year. Malzahn and Chizik won quick but did they build a program for the long haul? Miles followed Saban so not much building needed there. Meyer and Saban are just great coaches that will win anywhere. Butch is not in their class but few are. Richt had a lot of success early in his career but even at that Georgia had four straight winning seasons with 8-4 the worst before Richt was hired so they were not a decimated shell shocked program like Butch inherited. Six years was Butch being Butch. I'm sure he knows people expect results before then.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Butch said build a program not have one great year. Malzahn and Chizik won quick but did they build a program for the long haul? Miles followed Saban so not much building needed there. Meyer and Saban are just great coaches that will win anywhere. Butch is not in their class but few are. Richt had a lot of success early in his career but even at that Georgia had four straight winning seasons with 8-4 the worst before Richt was hired so they were not a decimated shell shocked program like Butch inherited. Six years was Butch being Butch. I'm sure he knows people expect results before then.
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The point is good coaches win quickly. If we're being honest, things usually get worse after 6-7 years, not better.
 
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99gator said:
Butch Jones: It takes six or seven years in the SEC to build a program

An excerpt from the article...

While we live in a world of instant gratification, Jones — just in his 3rd season in Knoxville — scaled back expectations a little and indicated that he may need an additional three years at the least to fully bring the Vols back to prominence. Jones identified weak spots right now in the program such as the offensive line, defensive line and receivers.
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We just need to continue to let Butch Jones recruit and give him time. He'll eventually break through.
 
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All situations are different but I don't see how it takes 1.5-2 full recruiting cycles to build a program. Especially when Saban had Bama in a "playoff" game in year 2 and they haven't looked back.

In looking at the roster and recruiting, I would say by next season we should be at that level where we can plug in a player and not skip a beat....and we should be that way for a while. HOPEFULLY!
 
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thebjd said:
That offense Florida has is not good and CJM has maximized their potential through scheme. They have one legitimate NFL prospect at receiver. I don't see NFL talent on that side of the ball. I don't see the pass-rushers or linebackers they have had in the past either though it is a good group with Bullard being the only true standout. DB's are really good/great, RB's are serviceable.
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Florida has one of the best defenses in the nation. They aren't winning because of offense. They're winning in spite of their offense.
 
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I have a question for Gator99, LawGator and others. I am very sincere with this question. I do not visit or care to visit other teams sites, so I don't know the answer to this question. Are there VOL fans that are so prominent on Gator sites as you guys are in ours? And if so how are they treated by Gator fans? I am just curious.
That being said I have no problem either way just curious.
 
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Realistically in year 3 a team should be showing great progress and winning. This team LOOKS to be heading toward that.

By year 4/5 he should be heavily in the mix in the East and SHOULD be and looks like he COULD be.

With the unique horrible shape UT was in through the Dooley years, Butch is right, it may take 6/7 years to fully overcome all of that.

I would have said 5/6 years. But 6/7 is not really a stretch.....

Any reasonably minded person who would have told me that Butch could finish year 3 with 9 wins (including bowl) when he was hired after Dooley, I would have been pleased.

I think it is extremely crucial he wins out. That will be tough to do. Winning out for any team is tough. Even the Alabamas and Ohio States of the world.

I still think 2017 will be the year UT is a solid contender for the SEC. It MAY happen in 2016. But, that is too soon. I say too soon because I don't THINK they can win the league next year. Hope but don't think. Fire Butch if not? Hell no. Hot seat if he wins 7/8 games in 2016? Probably. He will have a stacked and experienced and hungry team next year. 9 regular season wins needs to be the minimum expectation in 2016.....
 
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joevol33 said:
The good news is we have 3 years out of the way!
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Yep.....he's whittled the 30 and 40 point losses from 2013 down to close, excruciating come from ahead losses by 7 points or less. Now, if he could just reverse the aging process where players don't actually get younger each year, we'll really be on our way.

Just kidding. Look, he's done some really good things here, and the team is significantly improved in all facets. But stupid statements like this, while Florida is a lock to play in the SECCG in year 1 under McElwain, make him look ridiculous and tone deaf. NOBODY wants to continue to hear this drivel from him.
 
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vols4evah said:
yeah and whatever we do lets not give Butch any credit at all, for having the team competitive in those games instead of just being blown out. Butch is the reason the team played well enough to win those games in the first place.

I just honestly don't understand the ignorance displayed by some in our fan base.
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You don't understand because you engage in Coach worship. I root for the team first and foremost, and when it comes to coaches....they sometimes screw up, and seldom admit it.

Butch indeed screwed up earlier this season and made a ton of excuses to cover for it. Not going to give a pass on that. Like I said, though...as a fan of the team...I hope he learned a valuable lesson, and you should too.

You coach worshipers were drinking the Dool-Aid for 3 years, for Pete's sake. Any criticism you have towards someone criticizing the coaches should be weighed in light of that embarrassing reality.
 
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