Butch Jones has revised the program

[BeardedVol]

Oh wow, so the guy who has lived by "but who has he beaten" in the past, now says it doesn't matter?

As for the rest of your stupid azz rant, I'm not the one who's ever compared their 5 progress.
You just attributed that to me because you're doing what you always do, trying to find something else to whine about. Put down your saber and pour some water on that burning bra of yours. You got the wrong person chief.

Have you ever thought about taking a day off from your constant moaning?

It's ok man. I know that being confronted with facts make it extremely hard to console yourself with these false platitudes. Next time, I'll be more considerate in exposing you to facts, promise.:good!:

 

[chargervol]

It's ok man. I know that being confronted with facts make it extremely hard to console yourself with these false platitudes. Next time, I'll be more considerate in exposing you to facts, promise.

Extremely simple even for you.

You made the remark big mouth, find one post from me stating the Butch is the guy. Just one.

If you can't, I will know you are as full of bs as I already think you are.
And go, I'll be waiting.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Extremely simple even for you.

You made the remark big mouth, find one post from me stating the Butch is the guy. Just one.

If you can't, I will know you are as full of bs as I already think you are.
And go, I'll be waiting.

Had anyone said, "Butch is the guy!". He may end up being "The Guy", the only way to the "The Guy" is to win a NC.

 

[KBVol]

Butch made the comment about being a national title contender in six or seven years, not a conference one.

If you feel like going around and around, I'm good with it. But don't make s### up. I don't waste my time with that

That's not what he said. Here's the tweet from
Rhiannon Potkey‏ @TennesseeBeat

Jones: "It takes six to seven years in the SEC to really build a program." Goes through positions where they are short on depth.

You're making assumptions about what he said....he said nothing about national title contenders.

All I'm saying is at least win a division title/play in an SECCG, something he hasn't done in 4 years, and I'm good with equating that with "really building and SEC program". Don't even need a conference title, certainly not a national title.

And again, Swinney won a division and conference title in year 3, not year 6-7.

 

[BeardedVol]

Extremely simple even for you.

You made the remark big mouth, find one post from me stating the Butch is the guy. Just one.

If you can't, I will know you are as full of bs as I already think you are.
And go, I'll be waiting.

Did I claim that you said that "Butch is the guy"? Nope, I just refuted your claim that it took Dabo 6-7 years to build a championship team. But from your post history you seem to be a fan of moving the goalposts between your responses, so I'm not surprised that you are trying to shift the basis for your outburst to faux outrage over a misquote that didn't actually occur.

 

[chargervol]

Had anyone said, "Butch is the guy!". He may end up being "The Guy", the only way to the "The Guy" is to win a NC.

I'm sure several have, and they get called Sunshine Pumpers on here.
I, on the other hand, have never been one of them.
But I still commit the cardinal sin they gets you labeled as one. I get sick of people who do nothing but moan and whine all the time.
I don't give a crap if people like a football coach or not, but they still represent us males in general. Pull your skirt down and stop showing your slip, that's all I ask from them on occasion.
Or at least take up soap operas instead of football, the rest of us get over it eventually.

 

[chargervol]

Did I claim that you said that "Butch is the guy"? Nope, I just refuted your claim that it took Dabo 6-7 years to build a championship team. But from your post history you seem to be a fan of moving the goalposts between your responses, so I'm not surprised that you are trying to shift the basis for your outburst to faux outrage over a misquote that didn't actually occur.

No, you said I was confronted with facts. Butch said it takes six or seven years to create a championship winning program, and obviously speaking of national championships. You guys mocked him and called that ridiculous. That is what it took Dabo. Yet you praise him for doing what you mocked Butch for saying.
I have no idea but you can do it also, but I know what Dabo did and I know what you have said.

That is actual facts, disprove them or stfu, please

 

[volintheham]

Let's take a look at the 6 coaches in question.

4 of the championships have been won by Saban

2 by Urban Meyer at Florida and then Ohio State

1 by Jimbo Fisher who has been on a steady decline ever since winning the NC (14-0, 13-1, 10-3, 10-3 falling from 1st to 3rd in the ACC conference)

1 by Chizk who followed that with records of 8-5 and 3-9 at Auburn; seriously he hasn't done anything worthwhile since the NC.

1 by Les Miles who followed that with what is considered as a decline giving the talent he has had (10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 9-3, and then 2-2 before he was fired)

1 by Swinney who won the NC in his 9th year at Clemson; even though he lost to an 8-5 team and made his way back into the playoffs as other teams lost.

There is absolutely no other coach like Saban in college football. To pretend that any of these other coaches is in that league is ridiculous.

As for the other coaches - to be honest only Meyer really stands out as he is the only multiple NC winner. The others lose games they should win - which is the big criticism many of you have about CBJ.

Solid post but a few questions. Chizik analysis is absolutely correct and had the benefit of Newton and I really do believe that Butch is better.

You are a lot tougher on the accomplishments of Jimbo as they have been battling with Clemson. If Butch's worst season's as of late were 10-3 there would be substantial less criticism from the legion.

Les was half crazy but won a lot of games for LSU. He did have a propensity for losing to teams he shouldn't have but recruited very well except at qb where he has really come up short. Evolution of the game?

Are you arguing that you would not take Swinney? You have made an attempt to belittle his accomplishments unsuccessfully and I would prefer him to Saban at this point.

Saban while a phenomenon is getting older and in person he is arrogant but respectful to the normal layperson. He solely has created this environment I live in that is a sea of Crimson when it had the likes of coaches that were spending more time with strippers and secretaries. Guess I am jaded about him...

Urban is the same way as Saban but more competition in that conference could cause him to crack like before. That game against Bama was a thing of beauty.

Honestly, I do not agree CBJ is championship material.I hope CBJ can prove me wrong and adapt which he is certainly trying. The high of the UF game was so good but USC and then the low of Vandy erased all equity achieved.

 

[chargervol]

That's not what he said. Here's the tweet from
Rhiannon Potkey‏ @TennesseeBeat

Jones: "It takes six to seven years in the SEC to really build a program." Goes through positions where they are short on depth.

You're making assumptions about what he said....he said nothing about national title contenders.

All I'm saying is at least win a division title/play in an SECCG, something he hasn't done in 4 years, and I'm good with equating that with "really building and SEC program". Don't even need a conference title, certainly not a national title.

And again, Swinney won a division and conference title in year 3, not year 6-7.

To win the SEC, you beat Alabama. To win the national title, you beat Alabama.

It is exactly the same. It took Dabo six or seven years to take down Alabama, and Butch will do the same or he won't. Don't care, but it's still the same, no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise. If we are winning the SEC, we are in the championship. Just like he said.

 

[BeardedVol]

No, you said I was confronted with facts. Butch said it takes six or seven years to create a championship winning program, and obviously speaking of national championships. You guys mocked him and called that ridiculous. That is what it took Dabo. Yet you praise him for doing what you mocked Butch for saying.
I have no idea but you can do it also, but I know what Dabo did and I know what you have said.

That is actual facts, disprove them or stfu, please

Please cite the quote from CBJ where he said "It take 6-7 years to build a national championship winning program". Dabo had built a championship-winning team by his third season, not 6-7 years in, that's a fact, but feel free to disregard reality at your leisure.

 

[KBVol]

No, you said I was confronted with facts. Butch said it takes six or seven years to create a championship winning program, and obviously speaking of national championships. You guys mocked him and called that ridiculous. That is what it took Dabo. Yet you praise him for doing what you mocked Butch for saying.
I have no idea but you can do it also, but I know what Dabo did and I know what you have said.

That is actual facts, disprove them or stfu, please

Jones DID NOT say it takes 6 or 7 years to create a winning / national championship program. He said it takes 6-7 years to "really build an SEC program". Two distinctly different things....one is absolute and concrete, one is vague and obtuse.

Jones won't even talk publicly about winning much of anything that involves a "championship" unless it's a bowl game. Recall his reaction when asked in his presser about failing to win the SEC East last year....


A defiant Butch Jones said he never discussed the Southeastern Conference Eastern Division title --- at least not publicly --- and vowed his approach with his Tennessee team would not be altered moving forward into the season’s final week.

Jones, who told CBS at halftime of the Vols’ eventual 63-37 win against Missouri that his halftime interview was his first time to hear of Florida’s goal-line victory that was finalized around 4 p.m., doubled-down as he touted the Tennessee program’s progress in his four years, the small but memorable group of seniors and the chance for a prime postseason destination.

“You never heard me talk about it,” Jones admonished. “Never heard the players talk about it. Our goal is to be 1-0 every week, and what happens, happens. Again, I'm not going to sit in here and complain. We just won eight games, and that hasn't been done here in a long time. We have an opportunity to win nine.”


Does that sound like a guy focused about winning national titles??

 

[Iam4utalways]

I'm sure several have, and they get called Sunshine Pumpers on here.
I, on the other hand, have never been one of them.
But I still commit the cardinal sin they gets you labeled as one. I get sick of people who do nothing but moan and whine all the time.
I don't give a crap if people like a football coach or not, but they still represent us males in general. Pull your skirt down and stop showing your slip, that's all I ask from them on occasion.
Or at least take up soap operas instead of football, the rest of us get over it eventually.

Sad but true. It's a sign of the times.

 

[chargervol]

Please cite the quote from CBJ where he said "It take 6-7 years to build a national championship winning program". Dabo had built a championship-winning team by his third season, not 6-7 years in, that's a fact, but feel free to disregard reality at your leisure.

Yeah ok.
Doing something in the ACC in 2009 was the same as beating Alabama for the SEC Championship.

As I told KB, if you're winning the SEC, you're playing for a title. That is not what Swinney did. The entire point still remains the same... you would have been calling for his head if you were a Clemson fan. But instead, you just praise him and complain about us non-stop. Find a new freaking hobby until the coaching change is made and save the rest of us from your endless rants.

Or at the very least, say something new on occasion.
You are literally in every thread that I open, whining.

 

[KBVol]

To win the SEC, you beat Alabama. To win the national title, you beat Alabama.

It is exactly the same. It took Dabo six or seven years to take down Alabama, and Butch will do the same or he won't. Don't care, but it's still the same, no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise. If we are winning the SEC, we are in the championship. Just like he said.

Again, where does he say anything about winning the SEC?? He doesn't. Says only it takes 6-7 years to really build an SEC program....what does that mean?

Youre really stretching to put words in the mouth of a guy who says he never discussed winning the SEC East division last year....while at the same time talking up how he got the program to 3 bowl games in a row.

I'm not pretending anything. I'm taking the man at his word, looking at exactly what he's said vs what you're trying to interpret what he said, which is completely out of character for him.

 

[KBVol]

Yeah ok.
Doing something in the ACC in 2009 was the same as beating Alabama for the SEC Championship.

As I told KB, if you're winning the SEC, you're playing for a title. That is not what Swinney did. The entire point still remains the same... you would have been calling for his head if you were a Clemson fan. But instead, you just praise him and complain about us non-stop. Find a new freaking hobby until the coaching change is made and save the rest of us from your endless rants.

Or at the very least, say something new on occasion.
You are literally in every thread that I open, whining.

You're all over the map this morning.

 

[chargervol]

Jones DID NOT say it takes 6 or 7 years to create a winning / national championship program. He said it takes 6-7 years to "really build an SEC program". Two distinctly different things....one is absolute and concrete, one is vague and obtuse.

Jones won't even talk publicly about winning much of anything that involves a "championship" unless it's a bowl game. Recall his reaction when asked in his presser about failing to win the SEC East last year....


A defiant Butch Jones said he never discussed the Southeastern Conference Eastern Division title --- at least not publicly --- and vowed his approach with his Tennessee team would not be altered moving forward into the season’s final week.

Jones, who told CBS at halftime of the Vols’ eventual 63-37 win against Missouri that his halftime interview was his first time to hear of Florida’s goal-line victory that was finalized around 4 p.m., doubled-down as he touted the Tennessee program’s progress in his four years, the small but memorable group of seniors and the chance for a prime postseason destination.

“You never heard me talk about it,” Jones admonished. “Never heard the players talk about it. Our goal is to be 1-0 every week, and what happens, happens. Again, I'm not going to sit in here and complain. We just won eight games, and that hasn't been done here in a long time. We have an opportunity to win nine.”


Does that sound like a guy focused about winning national titles??

Yeah, talking about being able to defeat Alabama and win an SEC Championship is not related to being a National championship-level team. What the hell, I'll buy that.

Or at least claim I do for the sake of argument.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Jones DID NOT say it takes 6 or 7 years to create a winning / national championship program. He said it takes 6-7 years to "really build an SEC program". Two distinctly different things....one is absolute and concrete, one is vague and obtuse.

Jones won't even talk publicly about winning much of anything that involves a "championship" unless it's a bowl game. Recall his reaction when asked in his presser about failing to win the SEC East last year....


A defiant Butch Jones said he never discussed the Southeastern Conference Eastern Division title --- at least not publicly --- and vowed his approach with his Tennessee team would not be altered moving forward into the season’s final week.

Jones, who told CBS at halftime of the Vols’ eventual 63-37 win against Missouri that his halftime interview was his first time to hear of Florida’s goal-line victory that was finalized around 4 p.m., doubled-down as he touted the Tennessee program’s progress in his four years, the small but memorable group of seniors and the chance for a prime postseason destination.

“You never heard me talk about it,” Jones admonished. “Never heard the players talk about it. Our goal is to be 1-0 every week, and what happens, happens. Again, I'm not going to sit in here and complain. We just won eight games, and that hasn't been done here in a long time. We have an opportunity to win nine.”


Does that sound like a guy focused about winning national titles??

It sounds crazy, but I think he does live one week at a time during the season.

I'm already wishing for good weather in Atlanta on Jan. 9th, 2018.

 

[chargervol]

It sounds crazy, but I think he does live one week at a time during the season.

I'm already wishing for good weather in Atlanta on Jan. 9th, 2018.

Jones has said some things that have upset me over the years, but if he ever stops living for each game, each week, that will bother me the most.

 

[Boca Vol]

He is so conservative.

2016 second half of te Florida game. That's his high water mark.

String together about 40 halves like that half and we'll have his 1st NC.

I'd add the bowl games to that. Coach the way they do in the bowl games and I'd be happy.

 

[chargervol]

You're all over the map this morning.

Not really, I've been fairly consistent on two points.

1. For non elite coaches, it takes longer to be at championship level.

2. Some of you spend way too much time *****ing. It wouldn't kill you just to talk on occasion without griping so much.

I'd say so far, you guys are kinda helping me make my points, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Iam4utalways]

I'd add the bowl games to that. Coach the way they do in the bowl games and I'd be happy.

Does beating Iowa, North Western, or Nebraska even count?

 

[BeardedVol]

I'd add the bowl games to that. Coach the way they do in the bowl games and I'd be happy.

Less pressure. These 2nd-tier bowls that we've been in the last three years have no bearing on the season and are little more than a revenue generator for the school, and as such Butch coaches less uptight.

Some people thrive under pressure, and do their best work, and some don't; from what we've seen so far, CBJ seems to be the latter.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Jones has said some things that have upset me over the years, but if he ever stops living for each game, each week, that will bother me the most.

Seems like his only fault is his record. He needs to win more games.

 

[BeardedVol]

Not really, I've been fairly consistent on two points.

1. For non elite coaches, it takes longer to be at championship level.

2. Some of you spend way too much time *****ing. It wouldn't kill you just to talk on occasion without griping so much.

I'd say so far, you guys are kinda helping me make my points, wouldn't you agree?

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

 

[chargervol]

Less pressure. These 2nd-tier bowls that we've been in the last three years have no bearing on the season and are little more than a revenue generator for the school, and as such Butch coaches less uptight.

Some people thrive under pressure, and do their best work, and some don't; from what we've seen so far, CBJ seems to be the latter.

Understand all the rest and what you mean by this, but I want a serious answer. All of your statements are just so black-and-white, so are you saying there was no pressure on him to beat Florida last year?

Because unless I'm misunderstanding, you're implying if there was pressure, he would have failed. So I'm assuming you mean there was no pressure to do it?

And I'm not going to judge you by your answer, I just want to make sure that I'm understanding your point correctly.