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limadog007 said:
A. I dont care what people think! Period! I don't care if they make love to the guys show.

B. I haven't slandered the dude one bit!!!! Period..I have a hard time believing the interview. Plain and simple.

C. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I speak on behalf of a few people when I say: until it can be confirmed by a reliable source, BRENT HUBBS, in my opinion, then no dice on Bryce!
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Funny I never called you out
 
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limadog007 said:
A. I dont care what people think! Period! I don't care if they make love to the guys show.

B. I haven't slandered the dude one bit!!!! Period..I have a hard time believing the interview. Plain and simple.

C. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I speak on behalf of a few people when I say: until it can be confirmed by a reliable source, BRENT HUBBS, in my opinion, then no dice on Bryce!
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So if Bryce Brown told you personally through a text message that he is taking a visit to Tennessee, would you wait for Hubbs to confirm?

You realize you are witnessing what they are reporting?
 
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UTFan_No.1337 said:
So if Bryce Brown told you personally through a text message that he is taking a visit to Tennessee, would you wait for Hubbs to confirm?

You realize you are witnessing what they are reporting?
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Yes. Even I would need confirmation of that since he doesn't have my number.
 
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BeecherVol said:
How many Oregon RB's have rushed for 2000 plus yards in a NFL season. Jamal trumps all.
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How many TD's did Jonathan Stewart score in his rookie season, splitting carries as a starter? 10

How many times in his entire career has Jamal Lewis scored 10 or more TD's in a season, most of the time being the sole starter? 1

I disagree that Jamal "trumps all." I've already acknowledged repeatedly that Jamal is a good back. UT fans should be proud of him.

However, as I have also pointed out multiple times, the current UT staff has nothing to do with Jamal Lewis. The current Oregon staff has a lot to do with Jonathan Stewart.

utmba93 said:
The problem is that your learning style is auditory. I have not been 'talking' and you can not 'hear' me. Go back and read the statements aloud to yourself above and it may help.
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It's a common expression. Are you not familiar with what it means when someone says (or writes) "I hear you"?

utmba93 said:
Several main points:
1) Superior coaching by far: By far the best RB coach he can have. The position coach is most important to his skill development. Spend some time and read about it. It's an NFL-caliber staff. They sent more RB's to the NFL than Oregon has in its history (see VolNBama post for the names... and there are some great ones affiliated with this staff). They also coached NFL RB's (not UNH D-1 wanna bes).

2) A RB's dream offense: The offense will be patterned after the offense Kiffin used at USC featuring the kind of players he recruited to play there. If you haven't noticed that system is well-liked by RB's. He was the recruiting coordinator for Pete from Year 1. Moreover, UT doesn't (yet) have much potential to throw the football next season. We'll have little option but, to establish a running game this fall.

3) We have one helluva a defense at UT. The offense gets a lot of turns (they just didn't do anything with them last year). The staff on that side may be the best in football. And they've got the horses behind them. Bryce won't have to stand on the sidelines watching the Ducks get pushed around all season.

4) This staff knows the League--and how to get these athletes good representation when they need it. The whole system is focused on the NFL.

5) Strength and development...

6) World class facilities...

7) Play and practice against the best competition in college football...

8) More fans with more passion... that's why you're here posting on our board instead of the reverse.

9) And so on... this is getting silly.
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1) Incorrect. "They" have not sent anyone anywhere as a group. Some have done various things in different programs. That does not mean that the results will be the same at UT.

2) How do you know what the offense will be patterned after? UT, while having a good recruiting class, does not have anything near the class Kiffin had at USC. He is going to have to prove that he can work with less. I'm not saying it isn't possible that he will pull it off. But, it's an uncertainty.

3) The Ducks had two running backs run over 1000 yards in the same season. The only reason an RB has to stand on the side-line in that case is because they just scored a rushing TD. Are you familiar with where Oregon ranked in yards per game, points per game, rushing yards per game, etc. the last two years? I think that most reasonable fans of the game will agree that Oregon has the hot hand in the running game right now.

4) Hooking players up with "representation" would be an NCAA violation. So, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

5) Strength and development? That's all? Ok Mr. Cohesive.

6) I'm sure that they do have nice facilities there. Oregon's are not exactly chopped liver: YouTube - University of Oregon Ducks Locker Room Tour w/ Dennis Dixon

7) Here we go with the conference arguments now...

8) Autzen stadium has sold out every game since 2002 and is internationally known as an intense place to play. Autzen Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You think that sticking to your computer forum makes you passionate? I think that's just being a homer.

9) I think you characterize your main points pretty well in point #9. ;)

VKAman said:
Trying to say that a backup RB is better than a Pro Bowl one simply because of his yards per carry frankly infuriates me because of the stupidity of the argument.
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First, I think you should calm down. Debating football on internet forums shouldn't infuriate anyone.

Second, I didn't say that he was "better." Maybe you didn't my post where I explained that. At some things, he did prove to be better (yards per carry). It's true that the way some backs are used will cause them to have higher ypc. However, there's more to it than that as well. Some backs, by nature of their size and natural quickness rather than by their training or experience, are used as 3rd down backs, scat backs, etc.

In the case of Bryce Brown, Smith's success as a 3rd down back is relevant because it shows that he had the training needed to succeed in that role. He was never going to be cut out to be an every down back. That had nothing to do with his training. Same thing for Reggie Bush. Those guys aren't built to take 15+ dive carries a game like Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams or Jonathan Stewart.

VKAman said:
As I said, I listed three Pro Bowlers. You listed four backups, with the possible exception of Morris. These groups of RBs are not at all equal. Stop.
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You're just wrong here. Droughns started and had 1000 yard years at both Denver and Cleveland. Morris started this year for Seattle. Jonathan Stewart split carries as a starter for Carolina this year. Smith was probably always going to be a situational back. Besides that, a player isn't a "back-up" if they are picked over all other players to run packages for reasons other than injury.


VKAman said:
And Henry didn't try to cheat a drug test nor was he suspended for two years...he also made a Pro Bowl. There is no comparison with Onterrio Smith there. At all.
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No. He just had 9 kids with 9 different women and is now facing 10 years for drug dealing: Cocaine investigation paints harsh picture of ex-Bronco : Broncos : The Rocky Mountain News

You're right. Onterrio only hurt himself. Considering all those who Henry has hurt in his life, he makes Onterrio look like a saint.

VKAman said:
not sure if you can view that because you're probably not an ESPN Insider, but they rate Jeremiah Johnson as a 61 and Arian Foster as a 60.
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ESPN was also off on Jonathan Stewart's draft position last year. I guess it depends on who you ask. This site has Johnson in the 3rd round and Foster in the 5th.

Arian Foster | Tennessee, RB : 2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Jeremiah Johnson | Oregon, RB : 2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
 
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limadog007 said:
A. I dont care what people think! Period! I don't care if they make love to the guys show.

B. I haven't slandered the dude one bit!!!! Period..I have a hard time believing the interview. Plain and simple.

C. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I speak on behalf of a few people when I say: until it can be confirmed by a reliable source, BRENT HUBBS, in my opinion, then no dice on Bryce!
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I don't know anyone that posts on here, personally, so I won't make judgements based on posts. And I don't know what to think yet about Brown's character because I haven't heard the interview. I have read the article about his mentor, and I don't like that aspect of the situation. But in the end I will base my decision on his character and his future plans on the words that come out of his mouth over an article that wasn't really even about him as much as it was about Butler. And from what I hear about the interview, he doesn't seem to be a bad kid...and he seems interested
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IMO why Brent or anyone cant "confirm" the visit to make you feel better, is that Bryce doesnt talk to media. He only gives advice on that website
 
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wheaton4prez said:
In the case of Bryce Brown, Smith's success as a 3rd down back is relevant because it shows that he had the training needed to succeed in that role. He was never going to be cut out to be an every down back. That had nothing to do with his training. Same thing for Reggie Bush. Those guys aren't built to take 15+ dive carries a game like Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams or Jonathan Stewart.
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He was still never among the best in the league even as a third-down back. There were always considered to be many who were better, which is not true in the case of Jamal Lewis at all.


wheaton4prez said:
You're just wrong here. Droughns started and had 1000 yard years at both Denver and Cleveland. Morris started this year for Seattle. Jonathan Stewart split carries as a starter for Carolina this year. Smith was probably always going to be a situational back. Besides that, a player isn't a "back-up" if they are picked over all other players to run packages for reasons other than injury.
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Jacobs was the starter for the Giants...Jones was for the Seahawks...and Williams definitely was for the Panthers. Droughns was NYG's 4th RB this year and the other two were second RBs. Morris's role increased as the season went on and Stewart's decreased, but the fact is that Oregon has no primary backs in the NFL right now. Since that is what Brown aspires to be, it presents a problem.

And no. Sub package players are not starters. A team can go anywhere from 3 TEs to 5 WRs, but a team's 5th WR and its 3rd TE are not starters. At all.

wheaton4prez said:
ESPN was also off on Jonathan Stewart's draft position last year. I guess it depends on who you ask. This site has Johnson in the 3rd round and Foster in the 5th.

Arian Foster*|*Tennessee,*RB*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Jeremiah Johnson*|*Oregon,*RB*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
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I would definitely trust ESPN over NFL Draft Scout, but the fact that they are even relatively close after a good season for Johnson and a subpar one for Foster should say something. Tennessee easily carries more weight, as far as competition faced and legitimacy of prospects, in the eyes of scouts than Oregon does.
 
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I hope we can get either one of these guys. Oku is probably the one we have the best chance at, though. By the way, anyone heard anything about when Oku is going to make his decision? I heard Brown will most likely make his by the end of the month.
 
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VKAman said:
He was still never among the best in the league even as a third-down back. There were always considered to be many who were better, which is not true in the case of Jamal Lewis at all.
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Who ever said that Onterrio Smith was among the best in the league? How long are you going to hammer away at comparing backs to Onterrio Smith?

VKAman said:
Jacobs was the starter for the Giants...Jones was for the Seahawks...and Williams definitely was for the Panthers. Droughns was NYG's 4th RB this year and the other two were second RBs. Morris's role increased as the season went on and Stewart's decreased, but the fact is that Oregon has no primary backs in the NFL right now. Since that is what Brown aspires to be, it presents a problem.
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I thought that it was obvious that all of these guys are at various points in their careers.

The fact is, UT has no primary back in the NFL for which their current staff can take credit for. The fact is, Jonathan Stewart's role did not decrease as the season went on. He had 17 carries in the final game of the regular season. The only reason he had few carries in their play-off game was that they were playing from behind against the Cardinals and had to pass.

Pretty amazing that Jonathan Stewart scored more TDs in his rookie season than either Jamal Lewis or Travis Henry. All of that while, as you say, not being the primary back.

A lot of NFL teams are rotating backs when they have the players on hand. Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are both able to be primary backs. But, Miami runs them both. Same in Carolina, Jonathan Stewart is capable of being a primary back. That they choose to alternate doesn't suggest otherwise.

VKAman said:
And no. Sub package players are not starters. A team can go anywhere from 3 TEs to 5 WRs, but a team's 5th WR and its 3rd TE are not starters. At all.
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You're getting things backward. You claimed that Smith was a back-up. Players that are planned to be used during a game are not back-ups. They aren't backing any other players up. That would be like saying that all kickers are back-ups because they aren't in the opening formation of the game.

VKAman said:
I would definitely trust ESPN over NFL Draft Scout, but the fact that they are even relatively close after a good season for Johnson and a subpar one for Foster should say something. Tennessee easily carries more weight, as far as competition faced and legitimacy of prospects, in the eyes of scouts than Oregon does.
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Haha! Good one. So, maybe if Brown goes to UT and has a subpar year, he can get some of that UT magic to give him a boost in the draft? Maybe if UT had been better at developing RB's for the NFL, Foster wouldn't have had such a dismal year at 5-7 Tennessee.

I'm pretty sure that it's better to simply have a good year at a school than to have a subpar one anywhere else. Bryce Brown, barring injury, would probably not have any subpar years at Oregon and would do just fine for himself in the NFL draft.

How about this:

Jonathan Stewart was a first round pick out of Oregon. Do you think that Bryce Brown isn't as good as Jonathan Stewart and thus wouldn't be able to be a first round pick out of Oregon?
 
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Team Rushing Leaders
RANK Team ATT YDS AVG TD LONG
3 Oregon 585 3641 6.2 47 83
20 USC 503 2533 5.0 27 55
74 Miami (FL) 426 1680 3.9 17 51
94 Tennessee 409 1475 3.6 14 55
 
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wheaton4prez said:
Team Rushing Leaders
RANK Team ATT YDS AVG TD LONG
3 Oregon 585 3641 6.2 47 83
20 USC 503 2533 5.0 27 55
74 Miami (FL) 426 1680 3.9 17 51
94 Tennessee 409 1475 3.6 14 55
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Reasoning just isn't your forte. You keep using stats from a staff that was totally replaced and then saying the new staff has done nothing.

Then, when several have pointed out what RB's have done with UT's current staff, you simply say something as stupid as they haven't worked together yet, so we just don't know.


Now, stop for just a second, and think (this may cause pain the first time you do it, but 'no pain, no gain'). We don't even know who Oregon's HC will be. Yet, you're talking about a guy who was the OC at the UNH. Thus, based on your logic, we can't rely on either their past history or 'what they will do together as a staff.'

What we know, again, is that whatever staff coaches at Oregon this fall, it will be inferior to the one coaching at UT. If you had anyone worth what our staff makes, CLK would have hired them. You don't. End of staff discussion.
 
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Utmba, you are never going to reason with the unreasonable. Just let him spew his BS. we all know that Oregon will NEVER rise to the level of UT in any respect. He can just get over it.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
The fact is, UT has no primary back in the NFL for which their current staff can take credit for.
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This argument is utterly stupid. Note, I'm not attacking the person, simply the argument.

Do you really think no one credits Coach Gran for his work with RB's? Are you that sure CLK is due no credit for the SC backs?
 
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Nope the current staff can only take credit for Reggie Bush, Lendale White, and BenJarvis Green-Ellis. Nobody has ever heard of any of those guys though.

Look Brown is a long shot. I would just warn you not to sell our recruiting short. I would be shocked if Brown doesn't end up in Miami.
 
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I'm pretty sure that it's better to simply have a good year at a school than to have a subpar one anywhere else. Bryce Brown, barring injury, would probably not have any subpar years at Oregon and would do just fine for himself in the NFL draft. FYI OREGON SUCKS.


How about this:

Jonathan Stewart was a first round pick out of Oregon. Do you think that Bryce Brown isn't as good as Jonathan Stewart and thus wouldn't be able to be a first round pick out of Oregon?[/QUOTE]

Why are you even comparing the Pac 10 to the SEC? There is no compotition. Gran has coached almost 8 successful RB's to the NFL. Dont even get me started on Kiffin. There is a reason players go to the SEC way more then Oregon.

lets compare this years classes:

SEC:
Bama-#1
LSU- #2
Georiga-#9
Florida-#10
South Car-#12
Arkansas-#15
Tenn- #16
Ole Miss-#17
Auburn- #18
Miss St.- #23

Pac 10:
USC-#4
UCLA-#14
Stanford #20

Top Football Talent wants to come play for the best teams. The ranking shows it. 10 out of 12 Teams in our conference get into the top 25, only 3 from yours. Players want to come play for teams whos coaches can make them superstars in this leauge, not the get them into the leauge because they are sponsered by NIKE. So the only reason why I can see BB going to Oregon is to play against less talent. Its either go look good because of less talent, or get coached by the best and be good because your the best and you play against the best. If I was the best back in the country I know what I would choose.
 
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Lexvol said:
Nope the current staff can only take credit for Reggie Bush, Lendale White, and BenJarvis Green-Ellis. Nobody has ever heard of any of those guys though.

Look Brown is a long shot. I would just warn you not to sell our recruiting short. I would be shocked if Brown doesn't end up in Miami.
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Lex man its alot better for us then alot of ppl think. Thats all im saying.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Utmba, you are never going to reason with the unreasonable. Just let him spew his BS. we all know that Oregon will NEVER rise to the level of UT in any respect. He can just get over it.
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You're right. I've just had trouble accepting that reality and, for some odd reason, thought he might, eventually, advance a meaningful argument.
 
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Lexvol said:
Count me in the "if we can get them for a visit we have a real shot" camp. Just saying it is a long shot.
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O yeah. part of my answer is based on him coming for an offical. if we by some miracle he doesnt come, we do have a long shot. But he is coming. I am 100% confident when i say that.
 
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utmba93 said:
You're right. I've just had trouble accepting that reality and, for some odd reason, thought he might, eventually, advance a meaningful argument.
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I know where you're coming from and just when it seems that he is being reasonable, he says something that makes no sense whatsoever. He is operating under the guise of being reasonable, but he is no less/more of a homer than anyone else around here. His act is fake.
 
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Lexvol said:
Look Brown is a long shot. I would just warn you not to sell our recruiting short. I would be shocked if Brown doesn't end up in Miami.
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I could see Brown going to Miami or USC, but Oregon is just not where a back of that caliber should gamble on his career.

Versus those legit options, playing at UT against SEC defenses would be helpful to his development.


If he keeps his nose clean, this guy will be a first rounder some day maybe even on par with Gran's Auburn duo. Gran has demonstrated not only that he develops RB's into first round picks, but he has done that with one who shares Bryce's surname. Incidentally, the success of Gran's Auburn duo and CLK SC duo are precisely why Oku should go ahead and sign. There's no reason to wait until BB has decided.

He's so good, Auburn still hawks his profile on their site.
The Auburn University Official Athletic Site - Football


Just in case they delete it soon... here's what it reads on CEG as of today:


Notable: Coached All-American Carnell Williams in 2004, who was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2005 with the Tampa Bay Bucaneers ... Coached four first-team All-SEC selections: Kenny Irons (2005, 2006), Carnell Williams (2003, 2004), Ronnie Brown (2004) and Rudi Johnson (2000) ... Has coached three running backs selected in the first round while an assistant for Tuberville: John Avery in 1998 and Brown and Williams in 2005 ... Also coached Deuce McAllister, who was a first round selection in 2001, after Gran came to Auburn ... Six former Gran-coached running backs currently in the NFL: Ronnie Brown, Heath Evans, Kenny Irons, Brandon Jacobs, Deuce McAlister and Carnell Williams ... In 2005, for the fifth time in previous six years and fourth year in a row, had a 1,000-yard rusher with Kenny Irons (1,205) ... Under Gran's guidance, Carnell Williams set the Auburn career record for rushing touchdowns ... Helped Auburn lead the SEC in scoring offense in 2005 and 2004 ... Coached Rudi Johnson, the 2000 SEC Player of the Year, who set an Auburn single-season record with 10 100-yard rushing games ... Directed Auburn's special teams, which in 2006 included SEC Special Teams Player of the Year and Groza Finalist John Vaughn, as well as three-time All-SEC honoree Kody Bliss .. Coached Auburn special teams in 2006 that finished first in the SEC in kickoff coverage, field goal pct., PAT pct., and punting ... Under Gran's direction, Kody Bliss finished third nationally in punting average in 2006, while the team was fourth nationally in the category.
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