Bryce Brown (CLOSED)

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#926
utmba93 said:
The truth is that given the option between UT, USC, and Miami (among several others), Oregon would be a waste of his time. It simply is NOT his best option.
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Ok. I don't think you've made a very compelling argument that this is true. But, I hear that that is your belief.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
How long has Kiffin been an HC in NCAA? How did his last HC position end? What was his record?
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See... now your argument is advanced with full realization that no one even knows who the HC will be at Oregon this fall. If Chip Kelly is the guy, he has no HC record. Then, you argue that Chip's record record as an OC at UNH is relevant in his defense while ignoring Kiffin's time as OC at SC.

Are such arguments valid?
 
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How many Oregon RB's have rushed for 2000 plus yards in a NFL season. Jamal trumps all.

Oregon's RBs have been good, while Tennessee's have been better.

O. Smith should not be in the discussion, he played at both schools. We kicked him out.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
Ok. I don't think you've made a very compelling argument that this is true. But, I hear that that is your belief.
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The problem is that your learning style is auditory. I have not been 'talking' and you can not 'hear' me. Go back and read the statements aloud to yourself above and it may help.


Several main points:
1) Superior coaching by far: By far the best RB coach he can have. The position coach is most important to his skill development. Spend some time and read about it. It's an NFL-caliber staff. They sent more RB's to the NFL than Oregon has in its history (see VolNBama post for the names... and there are some great ones affiliated with this staff). They also coached NFL RB's (not UNH D-1 wanna bes).

2) A RB's dream offense: The offense will be patterned after the offense Kiffin used at USC featuring the kind of players he recruited to play there. If you haven't noticed that system is well-liked by RB's. He was the recruiting coordinator for Pete from Year 1. Moreover, UT doesn't (yet) have much potential to throw the football next season. We'll have little option but, to establish a running game this fall.

3) We have one helluva a defense at UT. The offense gets a lot of turns (they just didn't do anything with them last year). The staff on that side may be the best in football. And they've got the horses behind them. Bryce won't have to stand on the sidelines watching the Ducks get pushed around all season.

4) This staff knows the League--and how to get these athletes good representation when they need it. The whole system is focused on the NFL.

5) Strength and development...

6) World class facilities...

7) Play and practice against the best competition in college football...

8) More fans with more passion... that's why you're here posting on our board instead of the reverse.

9) And so on... this is getting silly.
 
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govols182 said:
Not to be a buzzkill, but I think he might stick with Miami. In their last 3 classes they have 5 4* OL and 2 3*. Not to mention that they have 7 top OL from the state of Florida listed as Medium Interest for next year.
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Seems I read where he was waiting to see what some of the top offensive lineman did...we missed on all of our's. Not sure how that would leave us in good position with this kid. That being said, if we do get him it would be a huge coup for the staff. Who is his primary recruiter?
 
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volmsbd said:
Seems I read where he was waiting to see what some of the top offensive lineman did...we missed on all of our's. Not sure how that would leave us in good position with this kid. That being said, if we do get him it would be a huge coup for the staff. Who is his primary recruiter?
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I don't think our OL is as bad as it looked last year. They had their 'stars' back in their day as well.

They'll show up better conditioned this fall... and without all the mental anguish of a blocking scheme that didn't make sense to even the most astute OL posters here.
 
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Im starting to wonder if Brown even visits? And the reason for that is because there is no SERIOUS hard evidence supporting a visit is coming to us.
 
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limadog007 said:
Im starting to wonder if Brown even visits?
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Bryce's exact quote was: "Yes, I plan on taking a visit down to Tennessee". "I feel like it's safe to say I'll take a visit down there". "It's probably going to be next weekend."

The rest of your post, I'll address in a PM b/c I think that's what Freak would want me to do. But I expect some serious editing when we are done.
 
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Brown is coming for visit. I like our chances with his options. BTW, good pull on getting him on your show Kev.
 
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VSPN817 said:
Bryce's exact quote was: "Yes, I plan on taking a visit down to Tennessee". "I feel like it's safe to say I'll take a visit down there". "It's probably going to be next weekend."

The rest of your post, I'll address in a PM b/c I think that's what Freak would want me to do. But I expect some serious editing when we are done.
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I really understand your frustrations, im sorry. But I still remain skeptical. :)
 
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limadog007 said:
I really understand your frustrations, im sorry. But I still remain skeptical. :)
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I still don't care. I gave you more of an answer than I should have, after that, I'm done.

Just don't slander me falsely and we'll be fine.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
The fact that people are trying to make up arguments for me instead of addressing what I've stated tells me that they are worried.

I have not argued that Smith "is better than Henry." In some statistics he is not. In others he is. Whether or not he is better over-all is relatively subjective. He proved to be better at getting yards per opportunity. But, that isn't everything that goes into the value of a player.

Still waiting for someone to explain to me how Henry's performance in the NFL is relevant to Bryce Brown.
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Yards per carry is such a dumb argument. A third-down back will almost always have a higher ypc than the starter because they run in passing situations, when the defense does not really care about stopping the run. Recent NFL leaders in yards per carry have been tatum bell, jerious norwood and derrick ward. What do they all have in common? They aren't starters. Bell has been cut by multiple teams, including the Detroit Lions. Trying to say that a backup RB is better than a Pro Bowl one simply because of his yards per carry frankly infuriates me because of the stupidity of the argument. That would make Tatum Bell better than Adrian Peterson and in fact the best RB in the NFL.

As I said, I listed three Pro Bowlers. You listed four backups, with the possible exception of Morris. These groups of RBs are not at all equal. Stop.

And Henry didn't try to cheat a drug test nor was he suspended for two years...he also made a Pro Bowl. There is no comparison with Onterrio Smith there. At all.
 
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VSPN817 said:
Bryce's exact quote was: "Yes, I plan on taking a visit down to Tennessee". "I feel like it's safe to say I'll take a visit down there". "It's probably going to be next weekend."

The rest of your post, I'll address in a PM b/c I think that's what Freak would want me to do. But I expect some serious editing when we are done.
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Evidently Hearing and Listening are not some of our posters strong points.

I Enjoyed your show.
 
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wheaton4prez said:
No, my argument is not based on speculation. Henry had better stats in some categories and Smith had better in others. What are you trying to say Henry was more successful at? Playing for a long time? Yes. He played longer. Gaining more yards per attempt on average? No. Smith was more successful at that as recorded in the stats.

Again, why the focus on Henry vs. Smith?

I think that Oregon's two 1000 yard rushers last season, Jonathan Stewart's success in the NFL, Jeremiah Johnson's projection to be drafted this year and LeGarrette Blount's projection to be drafted next year are all much more relevant to Bryce Brown.
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Henry was a better RB. Period. Smith was a career backup while Henry was a Pro Bowler with two different teams. No comparison. As I said, Tatum Bell had more ypc than LT did. So sure, he was better in that category. Good for him. He also sucks compared to LT. Just like Onterrio Smith compared to Henry.

And...
NFL - National Football League - ESPN
not sure if you can view that because you're probably not an ESPN Insider, but they rate Jeremiah Johnson as a 61 and Arian Foster as a 60. Which means that, after Foster's worst season at Tennessee and Johnson's best at Oregon, they are projected to be drafted at almost exactly the same spot. Brown knows that Tennessee is an elite program for producing NFL players. Oregon is not and never has been. Tennessee has produced Pro Bowl RBs and Oregon has produced backups. Which one would Brown rather be? Hmm...
 
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Volfan_TrappedN_KY said:
Evidently Hearing and Listening are not some of our posters strong points.

I Enjoyed your show.
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A. I dont care what people think! Period! I don't care if they make love to the guys show.

B. I haven't slandered the dude one bit!!!! Period..I have a hard time believing the interview. Plain and simple.

C. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I speak on behalf of a few people when I say: until it can be confirmed by a reliable source, BRENT HUBBS, in my opinion, then no dice on Bryce!
 
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I think we should all take a break from this thread and take a moment to do a youtube search of Mr. Brown. Just WOW. Simply getting him on campus is huge. If Kiff and company get him to sign a LOI...Kiff already earned his 2 Mil for the year. The kid looks like a more polished Reggie Bush in high school.
 
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cwil74` said:
I think we should all take a break from this thread and take a moment to do a youtube search of Mr. Brown. Just WOW. Simply getting him on campus is huge. If Kiff and company get him to sign a LOI...Kiff already earned his 2 Mil for the year. The kid looks like a more polished Reggie Bush in high school.
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He is the real deal.
 
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