Brilliant to have a 26% 3 point shooter fire it up with the game on the line…

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#176
Only thing worse than the horrible offensive performance from yesterday's game is people saying JJJ is a good 3pt shooter. Dude has missed more wide open 3s than anyone this year. He's a fluffer, soft, beta. No fight in that dude. Offense stalls 99% of the time he's in.
SV was wide open in the corner with 2.7 left.
 
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turdherder11 said:
Only thing worse than the horrible offensive performance from yesterday's game is people saying JJJ is a good 3pt shooter. Dude has missed more wide open 3s than anyone this year. He's a fluffer, soft, beta. No fight in that dude. Offense stalls 99% of the time he's in.
SV was wide open in the corner with 2.7 left.
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There should be absolutely NO WAY JJJ is in that position as first option! He and Vesco should’ve been switched in the scheme with Vesco option one and James #2 deep in corner which is higher percentage for him, I believe. This poor play design/decision is poor coaching! The best scorers must get the ball there ALL the time!
 
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vols35 said:
I just don't understand why you go for the three when drawing a foul or shooting for two would get the job done.
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Besides a layup or dunk it's the only shot today's players know how to shoot. It's an unfortunate reality that I remember being warned about (and laughing at, btw) in the late 70s. The prophets we're right tho.
 
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I am sure that all of you armchair basketball players would have done it better in Zeigler's position.

Also way to give a vote of confidence to JJJ.
 
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beachvol23 said:
There should be absolutely NO WAY JJJ is in that position as first option! He and Vesco should’ve been switched in the scheme with Vesco option one and James #2 deep in corner which is higher percentage for him, I believe. This poor play design/decision is poor coaching! The best scorers must get the ball there ALL the time!
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I don’t know that he was the first option. The motion from the play starts from the inbounds when guys are running the action to catch the inbound pass. I’ve watched it a few times, and Bailey is actually the first through, and he ends up on the opposite side of the court. If ZZ holds it a split second longer and SV breaks on the baseline, it might be there.

I can’t say that I study basketball offense a whole lot, but I’ve played a long time. The point is to give your PG options if something breaks down. It was a wide open look. SV missed the game winner against TT, and he had a chance to win this game with 55 seconds left. The look wasn’t bad at all.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don’t know that he was the first option. The motion from the play starts from the inbounds when guys are running the action to catch the inbound pass. I’ve watched it a few times, and Bailey is actually the first through, and he ends up on the opposite side of the court. If ZZ holds it a split second longer and SV breaks on the baseline, it might be there.

I can’t say that I study basketball offense a whole lot, but I’ve played a long time. The point is to give your PG options if something breaks down. It was a wide open look. SV missed the game winner against TT, and he had a chance to win this game with 55 seconds left. The look wasn’t bad at all.
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I agree mostly, however it’s not about “the look” it’s about JJJ should not be taking the shot unless he’s the last option.
 
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beachvol23 said:
I agree mostly, however it’s not about “the look” it’s about JJJ should not be taking the shot unless he’s the last option.
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I get it, but the look is half the battle with 6 seconds going full court. These are all D1 players. I think I would rather take a clean 3 than a severely contested 12 foot 2 pointer. I don’t think anyone on this team has really hit a game winner like what someone like Lamonte Turner did.
 
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beachvol23 said:
I agree mostly, however it’s not about “the look” it’s about JJJ should not be taking the shot unless he’s the last option.
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JJJ is shooting 38% from 3 over his last 6 games, if you wanna stretch it all the way back to SEC play starting he’s still over 30%…he started the year ice cold and had a finger injury, he’s shot much better of late, and that’s not mentioning the 2 huge 3’s he already hit during the comeback.
 
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brockytop said:
when 2 points is needed for the win. Go to the hole and force a foul or get a shot That can be tapped or rebounded.

Coaching malpractice not to have Chandler on the court for the last play.
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I agree 1000%. If Ziegler would’ve just taken it to the hoop he’d have likely picked up a foul call. We needed to force some contact there imo the way the officials were calling the game
 
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chattavol420 said:
I agree 1000%. If Ziegler would’ve just taken it to the hoop he’d have likely picked up a foul call. We needed to force some contact there imo the way the officials were calling the game
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What he would have picked up is a charge.

Remember Admiral’s game winning charge he took a few years ago? It happened on an almost identical situation.
 
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chattavol420 said:
I agree 1000%. If Ziegler would’ve just taken it to the hoop he’d have likely picked up a foul call. We needed to force some contact there imo the way the officials were calling the game
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He tried to drive to the basket and 3 players cut him off. If our 5'8 point guard had went up with a shot against three defenders what do you would be printed in this thread?

The play call was obvious...get the ball to Zeigler and try to get to the basket, if you are cut off pass to an open teammate. Thats exactly what happened. We got a wide open look from a player that had made 50% of those very same shots during the game. We got exactly what we wanted and it didn't work out for us. Simple as that.

Now if we want dissect how poorly we played for the first 14 minutes of the second half I will gladly tell you we played poorly.
 
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GregAmsler said:
If you don’t understand why KC wasn’t on the floor, you haven’t watched enough Tennessee basketball. RB doesn’t trust him in that situation. He trusts ZZ. That’s not arbitrary.
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It's like taking your starting qb for the last play . Now let us see the repercussions and how it plays out....
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
JJJ is shooting 38% from 3 over his last 6 games, if you wanna stretch it all the way back to SEC play starting he’s still over 30%…he started the year ice cold and had a finger injury, he’s shot much better of late, and that’s not mentioning the 2 huge 3’s he already hit during the comeback.
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We have seen JJJ go on decent three point runs in the past but he never sustains it. Hopefully this is the real deal. I don't trust him. If keeps making a few the defense will start to acknowledge that he is on the court. They have no respect for him now. There is a reason he is getting wide open looks. Career stats tell them he can't make shots and he is too mentally soft to drive it to the goal. Maybe he finally changes that narrative this time.
 
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ColinS said:
We have seen JJJ go on decent three point runs in the past but he never sustains it. Hopefully this is the real deal. I don't trust him. If keeps making a few the defense will start to acknowledge that he is on the court. They have no respect for him now. There is a reason he is getting wide open looks. Career stats tell them he can't make shots and he is too mentally soft to drive it to the goal. Maybe he finally changes that narrative this time.
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He was a 34% 3pt shooter heading into this year, a 52 game sample size totaling 57/170.

The last 6 games he’s shot 38% from 3, 11/29.

The first 12 games he was 14/63 for 22%.

So for 58 games JJJ has shot 68/199, good for 34%, in 12 games early this year when he had a finger injury he shot 11/29 for 22%. It would seem to me that majority of James career he’s been a pretty decent perimeter shooter and he had a cold start to a year while injured that many are only remembering.
 
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savannahfan said:
Sorry for any miss-posting of the %. I was just referencing the
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No worries...just wanted to add some context which is that JJJ has actually shot well the last 6 games or so and was 43% against TX for the game. Add in his hand injury early in the season and it makes sense why his shot is getting better.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
No worries...just wanted to add some context which is that JJJ has actually shot well the last 6 games or so and was 43% against TX for the game. Add in his hand injury early in the season and it makes sense why his shot is getting better.
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Yeah, he has. We have seen it before. Can he sustain it this time? The hand injury is overblown. If he was too hurt to shoot then he shouldn't have shot it. At what point did his hand stop hurting? How many games was it hurt? Nobody knows the answers to these questions. You are what your numbers say you are and they simply say he has been better lately. Hope it stays that way.
 
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ColinS said:
Yeah, he has. We have seen it before. Can he sustain it this time? The hand injury is overblown. If he was too hurt to shoot then he shouldn't have shot it. At what point did his hand stop hurting? How many games was it hurt? Nobody knows the answers to these questions. You are what your numbers say you are and they simply say he has been better lately. Hope it stays that way.
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Simply having his hand taped could have been enough to throw off his shot even though the hand had healed enough to not hurt...some players struggle with those kind of things. To be clear, I am not saying the hand injury definitively caused his early season shooting woes but it is a factor which has to be considered.

The broader and more important point is that, in true VN form, too many posters lazily parrot that JJJ is a terrible shooter which is simply not true. They disregard how he has shot over the last 6 games, how he shot in the TX game they are complaining about, and they definitely do not remember he shot 37% on 79 attempts as a freshman (of course, he dropped to 31% as a sophomore so the truth is probably somewhere in the middle which is a very acceptable %'age).
 
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Otis07 said:
According to stats, JJJ misses that shot 3 out of 4 attemts
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WRONG
3 out of 4 misses is 25%, JJJ has hit 68 of 199= 34.17%
In 20/21 the NCCAA as a whole was under 34% shooting 3's
He is basically on average for every player in the country and he was trending hot hand last few games.
That's what teams do, they go with who has been knocking them down lately and he had just hit 2 big 3's earlier in comeback or we are not even in a scenario to win on the last shot. Facts. Our best shooter Santi was trending badly in this game 0 for 5.
 
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