Breaking: Ricky Gibson to the portal

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So if you had another company willing to pay you more than your current employer and you left for that better opportunity, does that make you a punk?

The fundamentals here are about money and using whatever leverage you have to make the most. To pretend like most people wouldn't do the same if they had the leverage is lying to yourself. You're just letting you Tennessee fandom get in the way of your common sense. You know good and well in any other context you wouldn't fault an employee for taking the most money.
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You're not wrong. These kids are young and we are talking about life changing money. It affects them and their families especially the ones at or below the poverty line.
 
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VolInNW said:
::: Looks for thread expressing outrage when Ekeler Left :::

::: Looks for thread calling Ekeler a punk and greedy :::::

Hmmmmm, don't see one. Wonder why?

Coaches do it, now players can too. That's all I see here. It's a BIG pie and they want a slice.
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Yup
 
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VolInNW said:
::: Looks for thread expressing outrage when Ekeler Left :::

::: Looks for thread calling Ekeler a punk and greedy :::::

Hmmmmm, don't see one. Wonder why?

Coaches do it, now players can too. That's all I see here. It's a BIG pie and they want a slice.
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This man signed a deal 3 months ago and is now holding out for a new deal because our best CB tore his ACL.

It’s nothing like Eckler. I don’t care if Gibson is the difference in a playoff birth or not. I don’t want to cheer for him anymore.
 
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VolInNW said:
::: Looks for thread expressing outrage when Ekeler Left :::

::: Looks for thread calling Ekeler a punk and greedy :::::

Hmmmmm, don't see one. Wonder why?

Coaches do it, now players can too. That's all I see here. It's a BIG pie and they want a slice.
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Ekeler didn't agree to a deal and then leave. When you agree to a deal, you made a commitment to live up to that agreement. If you don't live up to your commitments, you aren't a good person. PERIOD. If he were my son and made the commitment, he would play for the team he committed to or he wouldn't play for anyone. Accountability, Responsibility, Commitment.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Georgia wanted Rickey Gibson badly during recruiting. He might have been a 3-star according to the services but there were at least a few elite programs that thought highly of him. He also started by the end of his freshman year. This guy is an elite talent. He's no little engine that could. We simply gave him an opportunity and he ran with it.

I think you have to pay him. He's at a position of need for us and he's incredibly talented. He could easily play his way into being a 1st round pick next year. You don't let guys who have long NFL careers ahead of them leave if you're a program serious about winning.

Pay the man.
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If I've read correctly, he got a new deal already? And yet he's still chasing a bigger payday? Pass. I'll take my chances with someone else. At some point, you need to draw a line and let a kid walk. Let him go to the Dawgs or whatever team wants to deal with him.
 
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VolInNW said:
::: Looks for thread expressing outrage when Ekeler Left :::

::: Looks for thread calling Ekeler a punk and greedy :::::

Hmmmmm, don't see one. Wonder why?

Coaches do it, now players can too. That's all I see here. It's a BIG pie and they want a slice.
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While I agree with your argument, I don't think Ekeler is the best example
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Georgia wanted Rickey Gibson badly during recruiting. He might have been a 3-star according to the services but there were at least a few elite programs that thought highly of him. He also started by the end of his freshman year. This guy is an elite talent. He's no little engine that could. We simply gave him an opportunity and he ran with it.

I think you have to pay him. He's at a position of need for us and he's incredibly talented. He could easily play his way into being a 1st round pick next year. You don't let guys who have long NFL careers ahead of them leave if you're a program serious about winning.

Pay the man.
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I'll take you seriously when Dobbs makes the HOF....

I won't hold my breath
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Punk? He's doing what any of us would do if we had millions of dollars being offered to us. If another job offered you a huge pay raise you're telling me you wouldn't take it if your current employer refused to match or even come close?

Don't hate player. Hate the game. This is the system we have now. If you don't like it vote with your wallet. Stop watching college football and you'll see the system change. But as long as you continue to watch in the fall don't complain about how business is run in the offseason.
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Different than being employed at will. From what I understand, Gibson renegotiated his deal after the season. He made an agreement and now he's reneged on that agreement. So no, I wouldn't do what Gibson did. I would live up to the agreement I made, no matter the financial impact. It's a matter of integrity, being responsible and accountable for your actions. If you would renege on the deal you made, then what does that say about your character?
 
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dduncan4163 said:
It would be very hard finding someone as talented in the portal at this point. Even if we did I'm willing to bet we'd have to pay more. Just pay the man and be done with it. Like it or not this is CFB these days. If we are going to compete for championships its gonna cost us
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I would pay much more for a player of similar abilities vs. paying someone who is trying to take advantage of me because he thinks he can--a player who reneged on a deal we made. And, I would subtly let him know what I thought of him for doing that.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Different than being employed at will. From what I understand, Gibson renegotiated his deal after the season. He made an agreement and now he's reneged on that agreement. So no, I wouldn't do what Gibson did. I would live up to the agreement I made, no matter the financial impact. It's a matter of integrity, being responsible and accountable for your actions. If you would renege on the deal you made, then what does that say about your character?
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And he wouldn’t be able to unless McCoy hadn’t gotten hurt. That’s my biggest character issue here. He’s willing to screw over the guys he’s worked so hard with because this is the first opportunity he’s had to do so. That may be the game these days, but if you were satisfied with the deal you already had, you shouldn’t hold those that you call teammates hostage bc all of a sudden you luck into a spot bc the better player tore his ACL and now you know that YOUR team is in a tough spot.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
So if you had another company willing to pay you more than your current employer and you left for that better opportunity, does that make you a punk?

The fundamentals here are about money and using whatever leverage you have to make the most. To pretend like most people wouldn't do the same if they had the leverage is lying to yourself. You're just letting you Tennessee fandom get in the way of your common sense. You know good and well in any other context you wouldn't fault an employee for taking the most money.
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Not only would I not do what he did under these circumstances, I wouldn’t hire someone who handled it that way. Doing what the rules allow protects you from a lot of consequences. Being despised isn’t one of them.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Not only would I not do what he did under these circumstances, I wouldn’t hire someone who handled it that way. Doing what the rules allow protects you from a lot of consequences. Being despised isn’t one of them.
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Elite skills trumps character every time.

We've seen it over and over in athletics that guys, some of them wearing orange, can commit various crimes, beat up people, do ridiculously stupid things..... and still play ball.

They learned it from the GENERATIONS of schools illegally paying players

Now is fine time to get self-righteous about "breaking the rules."
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Elite skills trumps character every time.

We've seen it over and over in athletics that guys, some of them wearing orange, can commit various crimes, beat up people, do ridiculously stupid things..... and still play ball.

They learned it from the GENERATIONS of schools illegally paying players

Now is fine time to get self-righteous about "breaking the rules."
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Very little of what you just said applies to me. It doesn’t mean that I’m better than anyone else but my preference is to cheer for the people who try to do better.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
What part of TN joining the lawsuit which brought about multiple transfers without penalty did you miss? They WANTED multiple, no penalty transfers and they have them.

UT is reaping what it has sewn.
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I didn’t miss anything, it’s stupid and should be changed no matter who caused it.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Very little of what you just said applies to me. It doesn’t mean that I’m better than anyone else but my preference is to cheer for the people who try to do better.
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None of us EVER cared that UT payed players under the counter. EVER. We knew it happened because it had to happen for us to get the talent that won.

Now, you want "people who try to do better" all of a sudden. If we were still playing the old game, the old way, with boosters paying..... you'd not open your mouth.

It's hypocritical and you know it.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
It would be very hard finding someone as talented in the portal at this point. Even if we did I'm willing to bet we'd have to pay more. Just pay the man and be done with it. Like it or not this is CFB these days. If we are going to compete for championships its gonna cost us
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no chance i’d pay him and if it were legal i’d back out of the existing deal and tell him to kick rocks. this is not like 90% of transfer portal situations. this is a player stabbing his teammates and coaches in the back, despite just recently renegotiating his deal, because we need him now more thanks to an unfortunate injury. this is not him earning a better deal. this is him self-centered. my guess is no SEC team will give him a better deal than the one he hand and he ends up at somewhere like florida state and becomes an undrafted free agent
 
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bpalmer28 said:
no chance i’d pay him and if it were legal i’d back out of the existing deal and tell him to kick rocks. this is not like 90% of transfer portal situations. this is a player stabbing his teammates and coaches in the back, despite just recently renegotiating his deal, because we need him now more thanks to an unfortunate injury. this is not him earning a better deal. this is him self-centered. my guess is no SEC team will give him a better deal than the one he hand and he ends up at somewhere like florida state and becomes an undrafted free agent
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While he's probably negotiating and will probably get paid by UT, I'd be willing to bet that part of his agent's negotiation is that he "has an idea that XXX school will pay $$$."

Even if he DOESN'T have an offer already, his agent should imply he has an offer, a reasonable but better offer, and it would be hard for UT to know if it's true or not.

Bluffing is part of negotiating and if his agent doesn't stretch the alleged offer too far, UT will probably meet it.
 
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