#BoycottNRA

[jp1]

Yes, I believe semi automatic guns should be banned. There is no civilian need for them. Assault style weapons, large mags and bump stocks gotta go. Americans will always have access to reasonable shotguns, rifles and handguns.

Well heaven forbid a flock of mallards fly into my decoys. "Reasonable" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[jp1]

What’s been danced around but not really pointed at directly for the gun ignorant is the “scary black rifle” is becoming the norm.

In shotguns look at the next one I want. The Beretta A400 Extreme. Helluva water foul gun which is exactly what it was designed for. Semi automatic action with synthetic stocks and integrated recoil system.

Even on the old school wooden deer rifle I have plenty of buddies taking their wooden stocks off and saving them and putting synthetic stocks on them. They are simply more durable and more economical than a high grade walnut stock.

Then whole “stick with existing (which it already is outdated) hunting technology” argument is just another method to exclude modern normal firearms technology and in my OPINION a dialog to fix us at the current firearms evolution point. And that is simply wrong.

And before the need crap comes back I don’t GAF what you think I need it’s none of your damn business. I am a law abiding citizen. Stop trying to legislatively make me a criminal. And any laws you attempt to pass for such reason will have no impact on criminal behavior since criminals don’t obey laws. Mind your own damn business. And no, my business is not your damn business.

A400 is an awesome gun, especially with the Kickoff. Sx3 in Max5 can be had for $669. Better jump on board before they are banned. Lol.

 

[NorthDallas40]

A400 is an awesome gun, especially with the Kickoff. Sx3 in Max5 can be had for $669. Better jump on board before they are banned. Lol.

Yeah I’ve shot a couple of A400’s and am in love with it. I will probably move my Dad’s pump 12 Winchester 1200 out of the safe and put in an A400.

Take that same A400 and load it up with #00 or #000 and it will absolutely destroy anything within 30 yds including humans.

This is such ignorant flawed logic being used by these gun grabbing fools.

 

[hndog609]

What’s been danced around but not really pointed at directly for the gun ignorant is the “scary black rifle” is becoming the norm.

In shotguns look at the next one I want. The Beretta A400 Extreme. Helluva water foul gun which is exactly what it was designed for. Semi automatic action with synthetic stocks and integrated recoil system.

Even on the old school wooden deer rifle I have plenty of buddies taking their wooden stocks off and saving them and putting synthetic stocks on them. They are simply more durable and more economical than a high grade walnut stock.

Then whole “stick with existing (which it already is outdated) hunting technology” argument is just another method to exclude modern normal firearms technology and in my OPINION a dialog to fix us at the current firearms evolution point. And that is simply wrong.

And before the need crap comes back I don’t GAF what you think I need it’s none of your damn business. I am a law abiding citizen. Stop trying to legislatively make me a criminal. And any laws you attempt to pass for such reason will have no impact on criminal behavior since criminals don’t obey laws. Mind your own damn business. And no, my business is not your damn business.

A bit of history in what makes up the so called "semi-auto assault weapon".

Rifled barrel - 16th century
Cased centerfire cartridges - 1855
Detachable magazine - 1879
Semi-auto - 1885

 

[luthervol]

1) It's a limitation of the second amendment, not an interpretation.
2) I agree 18 yos should not be able to buy assault weapons. I don't own an assault weapon and I don't know anyone that does legally.
3) You, in feigned ignorance, are intermingling the terms Military Assault weapon, Assault weapon, Military Assault style weapon, Military style Assault weapon, and Assault style weapon. Only 2 of those are or were legal for an 18 yo to walk into a gun store and purchase legally. Please find a description and stick with it.
4) I would ask you to then agree with allowing those under 21 to buy the legal versions of the weapons described above with an honorable discharge from the military, in the military with a clean record or be 21 with no mil service.
5) Or simply consider also boosting the age of adulthood to 21 applying also to selective service and unlimited drivers licenses.

It is so ridiculous that in this country you can enlist at 18, go to Iraq, get your legs blown off, come home at 20 years old and be denied ANY right, much less the right to buy a beer or purchase a weapon that you know more about than most "gun nutz" and 99% of liberals.

1. Semantics. It was interpreted in a way that allowed the limitations.
2. Common ground. There are reasonable and rational limitations to the Second Amendment.
3. I don't care. Let the "experts" define. I stated at the beginning of one of these debates that I would include some type of x rounds per y seconds limitation.
4. I agree.
5. I would agree if we could also include marriage and parenthood. If we only stopped under 21 parenthood society would become instantly better.

 

[Grand Vol]

1. Semantics. It was interpreted in a way that allowed the limitations.
2. Common ground. There are reasonable and rational limitations to the Second Amendment.
3. I don't care. Let the "experts" define. I stated at the beginning of one of these debates that I would include some type of x rounds per y seconds limitation.
4. I agree.
5. I would agree if we could also include marriage and parenthood. If we only stopped under 21 parenthood society would become instantly better.

1. No, it allowed for restrictions, not limitations.
2. Your definition of "reasonable and rational" are ignorant, so please stop using those terms.
3. Please shut up, there is no such thing as a liberal "gun expert." Especially those trying to define "assault weapons."
4. No, you really don't. Don't even try and act like you're being objective in this and "giving" something to achieve a greater purpose.
5. Yeah, that's so utterly possible...

 

[82_VOL_83]

No, no argument. Just a couple of observations. Florida could have added tougher changes than they did. Waiting a few days to get your gun after you spend probably more days than the waiting period to choose it won't hurt anyone but your feelings. And I know if I cared about the wait, my feelings wouldn't count.

What it does do is give someone who has got a case of the red ass to kill someone time to let their anger cool. Not a bad thing if you ask me.

I linked to the new Raging Judge because I like it for home defense. But I can wait as long as they want me to while the BGC is finished. No skin off my teeth.

You missed the premise or I didn't make myself clear, asking a CCW holder (3 states for me) to wait three days after a BC is stupid and PURELY political. Same as requiring me to show a DL EVERYWHERE I GO in Tenn (which IS NOT the law by the way) to buy a freaking beer. The BC takes less than 5 minutes. They don't dig into your past every time you buy a gun, they simply look for flags. They pulse your DL and SSN and if no flags, comes back green in less than 5 minutes.

 

[82_VOL_83]

No, no argument. Just a couple of observations. Florida could have added tougher changes than they did. Waiting a few days to get your gun after you spend probably more days than the waiting period to choose it won't hurt anyone but your feelings. And I know if I cared about the wait, my feelings wouldn't count.

What it does do is give someone who has got a case of the red ass to kill someone time to let their anger cool. Not a bad thing if you ask me.

I linked to the new Raging Judge because I like it for home defense. But I can wait as long as they want me to while the BGC is finished. No skin off my teeth.

This would have had ZERO effect on any of the mass shootings to date. ALL of them were planned for weeks and months ahead of time. It does absolutely.......dick.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Wrong. 67% support v. 29% opposed for a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons.

National (US) Poll - February 20, 2018 - U.S. Support For Gun Control T | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

You can't buy assault weapons now without heavy licensing. What are you changing?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Yes, I believe semi automatic guns should be banned. There is no civilian need for them. Assault style weapons, large mags and bump stocks gotta go. Americans will always have access to reasonable shotguns, rifles and handguns.

You need to leave this country and go somewhere safe. Your opinion is short sighted, job killing, recreation killing, everything but people saving. I used to think you reasonable in the FF, you come here and turn into the second coming of Bernie Saunders.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You missed the premise or I didn't make myself clear, asking a CCW holder (3 states for me) to wait three days after a BC is stupid and PURELY political. Same as requiring me to show a DL EVERYWHERE I GO in Tenn (which IS NOT the law by the way) to buy a freaking beer. The BC takes less than 5 minutes. They don't dig into your past every time you buy a gun, they simply look for flags. They pulse your DL and SSN and if no flags, comes back green in less than 5 minutes.

That’s the deal with a frigging waiting period. I need somebody to explain to me exactly what the government is going to do with this magical 3 day waiting period. The NICS check is 5 mins while you wait. Then the firearm sits on the shelf for 3 days?

I wonder how many state line firearm sales stores are going to pop up in GA and AL.

 

[Grand Vol]

Funny thing about those semi-auto hunting rifles...

They, in reality, are far more humane in hunting applications than bolt or lever actions. The ability for quick follow up shots without having to remove your head from the rifle to cycle the actions can mean a quick and humane follow up shot or the opportunity for the game to escape in pain meaning you must track it down.

And don't give me this **** about not missing. Any hunter out there will tell you the first shot, even in the boiler room, isn't always effective and follow up shots might be necessary.

So, in reality, think about those poor deer when trying to ban a class of arms.

 

[82_VOL_83]

No. Semi auto is FUNCTION not form. You know that.

As for it being your choice to fire a clip "as fast as you want", thats akin to saying you should be able to drive as fast as you want. There are rules and reasons why we don't drive 120 MPH.

another stupid ****ing analogy by you: I should be able to drive as fast as needed if there is a verifiable emergency (akin to a break in or protecting life) or if I am at a drag way (Shooting Range - indoor due to limited length) or at a raceway (outdoor range) where it's pretty much as fast as you can go. There are rules and reasons why we don't drive 120 mph everywhere we go and there are rules and reasons why we don't go into public and shoot up everything. Your ban request is akin to banning cars. Don't need to drive, ride a bike, too far, move, can't move, foodstamps....

Your *******ism is beginning to way outweigh your usefulness.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You need to leave this country and go somewhere safe. Your opinion is short sighted, job killing, recreation killing, everything but people saving. I used to think you reasonable in the FF, you come here and turn into the second coming of Bernie Saunders.

I suggest he try Venezuela. Seems to be a place he would adore.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Nope. It's a dead on analogy... we institute driving rules to promote safety and reduce fatalities. Rules exist for a reason. You're welcome to violate them, of course.

The fact that you are so ignorant that you can't see what's wrong with your analogy is the reason you should never be allowed to vote or procreate.

 

[Squints]

No. Semi auto is FUNCTION not form. You know that.

As for it being your choice to fire a clip "as fast as you want", thats akin to saying you should be able to drive as fast as you want. There are rules and reasons why we don't drive 120 MPH.

Should we do the same for flight?

“Commercial airliners can attain a cruising speed of not to exceed 60 knots.”

What could possibly go wrong???? Go check out Bernoulli’s equations for fluid flow, and then report back here with your findings.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Should we do the same for flight?

“Commercial airliners can attain a cruising speed of not to exceed 60 knots.”

What could possibly go wrong???? Go check out Bernoulli’s equations for fluid flow, and then report back here with your findings.

 

[jp1]

I suggest he try Venezuela. Seems to be a place he would adore.

Nope....they use semi auto shotguns for their dove hunts there.

 

[Squints]

I know you, 737 and a few others understand the physics of flight. (I understand the math portion of it, but am not a pilot, though, I wish I were)

The dumbassery was too mind numbingly preposterous to let go idle. I can’t help myself, when I see a chain, I yank it.

 

[luthervol]

1. No, it allowed for restrictions, not limitations.
2. Your definition of "reasonable and rational" are ignorant, so please stop using those terms.
3. Please shut up, there is no such thing as a liberal "gun expert." Especially those trying to define "assault weapons."
4. No, you really don't. Don't even try and act like you're being objective in this and "giving" something to achieve a greater purpose.
5. Yeah, that's so utterly possible...

Certainly one of your weaker efforts.

 

[82_VOL_83]

1. Semantics. It was interpreted in a way that allowed the limitations.
2. Common ground. There are reasonable and rational limitations to the Second Amendment.
3. I don't care. Let the "experts" define. I stated at the beginning of one of these debates that I would include some type of x rounds per y seconds limitation.
4. I agree.
5. I would agree if we could also include marriage and parenthood. If we only stopped under 21 parenthood society would become instantly better.

1) No it's not, it is convenient for you to say that but it is in no way semantics.
2) Not really, since there are already laws on the books preventing ANYONE from owning an assault rifle without the proper licensing and being 21.
3) But your intermingled use makes your arguments incomprehensible. It's like talking about buying a boat. A boat is not a boat is not a boat. They are all very different. Not everyone can or should be allowed to buy any boat.
4) and 5) we agree on. I like your number 5.

Your bolded would solve an infinite amount of issues in this country.

 

[Grand Vol]

Certainly one of your weaker efforts.

Still a Herculean effort compared to the drivel you post in this thread forum

 

[luthervol]

1) No it's not, it is convenient for you to say that but it is in no way semantics.
2) Not really, since there are already laws on the books preventing ANYONE from owning an assault rifle without the proper licensing and being 21.
3) But your intermingled use makes your arguments incomprehensible. It's like talking about buying a boat. A boat is not a boat is not a boat. They are all very different. Not everyone can or should be allowed to buy any boat.
4) and 5) we agree on. I like your number 5.

Your bolded would solve an infinite amount of issues in this country.

40% agreement. We did better than most. :good!:

 

[hndog609]

Funny thing about those semi-auto hunting rifles...

They, in reality, are far more humane in hunting applications than bolt or lever actions. The ability for quick follow up shots without having to remove your head from the rifle to cycle the actions can mean a quick and humane follow up shot or the opportunity for the game to escape in pain meaning you must track it down.

And don't give me this **** about not missing. Any hunter out there will tell you the first shot, even in the boiler room, isn't always effective and follow up shots might be necessary.

So, in reality, think about those poor deer when trying to ban a class of arms.

There are reasons so few have cause to trust these people and their "reasonable" ideas about firearms. From the Brady Campaign 2007:

The Tragic Proliferation of Sniper Rifles

I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of Sniper Rifles. Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce:

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....

..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.."

Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree.

Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those who wish to murder from afar.

Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit 502 Bad Gateway. A shipment of large caliber machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs.

Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our homes and lives have not been attained.

Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years, with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower Sniper, and more.

ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal, inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is unreasonable.

Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states, they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one. If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down.

Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.

We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.

Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty "sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed. They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and rounds of ammunition to choose from without them.

Let us hope that in a safer, saner America, we will succeed in our efforts to restrict the deadly spread of long distance murder rifles.

 

[MG1968]

"Long Distance Murder Rifles" sounds like the name of a death metal band.