Bob Shoop reveals 3 keys to Tennessee defense returning to dominant form

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having corners actually capable of finding the ball will be huge. Maybe a safety thats faster than 4.7 speed would be huge too.
 
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BeardedVol said:
This part...I like:
Shoop said the focus on defense will be to put the best 11 players on the field and then scheme to the strengths of those players.​
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this is key. i really think that as last year went on, not knowing all the time who would be available to play week in, week out, it became very difficult to scheme to strengths, and avoid weaknesses. given a full year, plenty of tape to review on a multitude of players that got pt this past season, a full off season....

i'll put it this way, if the defense isn't "improved" on the whole, i'll be shocked. i'm betting he'll have a much better grasp on the overall personnel package this year, than he did last year....and be able to sub accordingly.
 
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BeardedVol said:
This part...I like:
Shoop said the focus on defense will be to put the best 11 players on the field and then scheme to the strengths of those players.​

This part...scares me:
Jones has helped him find tweaks that can improve the defense​
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Shoop needs the players to run his 4-3. He doesn't need to be running the 4-2-5. That's not the D scheme that built his resume.
 
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jakez4ut said:
this is key. i really think that as last year went on, not knowing all the time who would be available to play week in, week out, it became very difficult to scheme to strengths, and avoid weaknesses. given a full year, plenty of tape to review on a multitude of players that got pt this past season, a full off season....

i'll put it this way, if the defense isn't "improved" on the whole, i'll be shocked. i'm betting he'll have a much better grasp on the overall personnel package this year, than he did last year....and be able to sub accordingly.
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Sounds like the dissention wasn't limited to a few players. Martinez must have been an issue. You could expect that since he's been a DC before and was probably pretty tight with Jancek.

IF the DT's return in depth... and IF he finds 8 LB's that can give them quality minutes including at least two to play his quick LB position. (Can't remember what he calls it. I think USCe has always called it their "spur" position.) IFFF those things come together for him then he might be able to do some really good things.

Like you, I'll be surprised if there isn't improvement. The question is how much and will it be enough. I still believe in the Shoop hire... I just think he was set up worse than Jones was by Dooley. Not enough quality LB's and a "fragile" roster.
 
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Sarms58 said:
I try not to count on Freshmen...I'm thinking the 2 deep will be Vickers, Johnson, Mckenzie and Tuttle (if healthy)

Perhaps our overall strategy should be to get the other team off the field quickly to minimize potential for injuries...

And I mean 3 and out...not quick scores...lol!
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You left out Paul Bain who sometime play a 1 front
 
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sjt18 said:
Sounds like the dissention wasn't limited to a few players. Martinez must have been an issue. You could expect that since he's been a DC before and was probably pretty tight with Jancek.

IF the DT's return in depth... and IF he finds 8 LB's that can give them quality minutes including at least two to play his quick LB position. (Can't remember what he calls it. I think USCe has always called it their "spur" position.) IFFF those things come together for him then he might be able to do some really good things.

Like you, I'll be surprised if there isn't improvement. The question is how much and will it be enough. I still believe in the Shoop hire... I just think he was set up worse than Jones was by Dooley. Not enough quality LB's and a "fragile" roster.
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Could be a no name defense. I really think having a handle in all the personnel this time around will pay dividends.

We agree 100% in the 4-3 vs. 4-2-5 he basically had to run
 
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jakez4ut said:
Could be a no name defense. I really think having a handle in all the personnel this time around will pay dividends.

We agree 100% in the 4-3 vs. 4-2-5 he basically had to run
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It seems you guys known what your talking about... And I do believe it is the "spur" position.. I know some call it the Star as well... I think that the addition of Gray will play dividends for tht postion depending on how long it takes his body to mature and understand the scheme... Shoop said that he will be diving in to some more 3-4 which I think is interesting and I believe tells his level of comfort with the LB's... I just wonder how it will effect the back end of the defense... Man I wish we would run a pattern match system from Cov. 3... It gives you some nice wrinkles in the run game as well... Especially with your alley players... What are you guys thinking about this?
 
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BeardedVol said:
This part...I like:
Shoop said the focus on defense will be to put the best 11 players on the field and then scheme to the strengths of those players.​

This part...scares me:
Jones has helped him find tweaks that can improve the defense​
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Just Jones keeping his thumb on things. If things turn around he can take credit.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
It seems you guys known what your talking about... And I do believe it is the "spur" position.. I know some call it the Star as well... I think that the addition of Gray will play dividends for tht postion depending on how long it takes his body to mature and understand the scheme... Shoop said that he will be diving in to some more 3-4 which I think is interesting and I believe tells his level of comfort with the LB's... I just wonder how it will effect the back end of the defense... Man I wish we would run a pattern match system from Cov. 3... It gives you some nice wrinkles in the run game as well... Especially with your alley players... What are you guys thinking about this?
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well i don't profess to be an expert, and don't ask me to break down any film. but from a general concept and personnel standpoint, there were just some really glaring issues that rose their heads last year....from the start all the way to the end.

having a handle on the personnel he's going to have to work with will definitely help him be way more prepared to plug guys in, in certain spots based on their strengths, and stay away from their weaknesses.

as aggressive as he likes to be, i could see him doing a lot from a formation standpoint, especially in situational football. for him, it's all about staying ahead of the chains. stop the run on 1st down. and then you have a chance to dictate to the offense when they're in 2nd and long, 3rd and long.

we were definitely more reactive than proactive last year, and i just think that was a direct result of personnel issues that just kept happening as the season went along.

i think you'll see deeper rotations this season, and more guys getting reps, earlier. you may see guys at Safety playing LB in certain packages.

for this year's defense to be good, it will be a result of the sum of the parts. aside from probably Nigel Warrior, TKjr, and maybe DKjr, there aren't any real superstars that you can plan your defense around. could give guys like Kongbo, Tuttle (when healthy) and Kmac opportunities to shine....

all that said, we're still thin on the DL and at LB. we have some #'s there, but we really don't know how much quality we have right now. this is an important off season for the defense.
 
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jakez4ut said:
this is key. i really think that as last year went on, not knowing all the time who would be available to play week in, week out, it became very difficult to scheme to strengths, and avoid weaknesses. given a full year, plenty of tape to review on a multitude of players that got pt this past season, a full off season....

i'll put it this way, if the defense isn't "improved" on the whole, i'll be shocked. i'm betting he'll have a much better grasp on the overall personnel package this year, than he did last year....and be able to sub accordingly.
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That may be what he mean't by saying that to the naked eye it wouldn't look that different. If he's keeping the same scheme but moving personnel around that he thinks better fits what he is trying to accomplish. It may also by why Stripling was pulled from the Dline if he wasn't on board with those changes.
 
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BeardedVol said:
That may be what he mean't by saying that to the naked eye it wouldn't look that different. If he's keeping the same scheme but moving personnel around that he thinks better fits what he is trying to accomplish. It may also by why Stripling was pulled from the Dline if he wasn't on board with those changes.
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oh i think there were some issues personnel wise, especially in the secondary. Martinez was more of an issue than Strip, if you believe what you read. the DL personnel issues really started to ramp up once Tut, O brien and Kmac were gone. then it was "does he have a pulse? put him in....." i'm sure there were some spirited conversations....lol.

looking the same, i understand what he's saying, but i do think visually it will look a little different this year because i'll be absolutely shocked if there's not 3 bonafied LB's on the field next season, instead of 5 DB's. so that'll look a little different.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Gotta find some LBs and DBs that can play. Bates needs to show the hell up this year along with Bryant.
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What's the deal on Bates? I'd like to know. I hardly ever hear or read anything about the kid. I watch him when he's in the game at LB, which is rare, but he seems to be around the football.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
It seems you guys known what your talking about... And I do believe it is the "spur" position.. I know some call it the Star as well... I think that the addition of Gray will play dividends for tht postion depending on how long it takes his body to mature and understand the scheme... Shoop said that he will be diving in to some more 3-4 which I think is interesting and I believe tells his level of comfort with the LB's... I just wonder how it will effect the back end of the defense... Man I wish we would run a pattern match system from Cov. 3... It gives you some nice wrinkles in the run game as well... Especially with your alley players... What are you guys thinking about this?
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"Star" is what I was trying to think of. Thanks. But I wonder if that wasn't a Vandy thing.

You have to be careful with your complexity in CFB. If you try to do too much then all the guys do is think and hesitate for half the season. If I understand correctly, the scheme you have in mind requires every defensive player to make the same "read" every play, right? That would be a tough thing to master.
 
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mtnmanvol39 said:
What's the deal on Bates? I'd like to know. I hardly ever hear or read anything about the kid. I watch him when he's in the game at LB, which is rare, but he seems to be around the football.
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I think he's had a series of injuries that kept him from developing.
 
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sjt18 said:
"Star" is what I was trying to think of. Thanks. But I wonder if that wasn't a Vandy thing.

You have to be careful with your complexity in CFB. If you try to do too much then all the guys do is think and hesitate for half the season. If I understand correctly, the scheme you have in mind requires every defensive player to make the same "read" every play, right? That would be a tough thing to master.
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Yea it can be tough in the speed of CFB but once you understand it, it pays dividends. I want to see more aggression from them and that would free them up to play more aggressively with the ball in the air...
 
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Shoop is ok by me. Even in the sc and Vandy losses Shoop did a good job. Time after time he sent corners and safeties trying to make a tackle in the backfield. 9/10 tImes, with the player in great position, he fails to make the tackle. Many times a complete wiff. Even cam when he returned was wiffing them. Tackling is a skill you develop in the spring. We got to work on blocking and tackling and we need to get tougher. We really need th S&C improvement.
 
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