Barnes said he would be at UCLA if buyout was paid

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Simple put. Its never good enough for media and fans to just see the end result, which requires no additional information for obvious reasons. Its the same reason why we watch the game and not just check the score later.

Why, is always gonna be of interest. Had Barnes decided to leave, why, would have still mattered.

Was he disgruntled at UT?
Did Fulmer even make an attempt to keep him?
Did UT match or exceed UCLA's offer?

And there are a multitude of questions that spin off of those.
 
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Volsintears said:
We disagree on that point. You’re inserting a reason I didn’t give. We are never going to agree on this. And your point still implies there’s only one way to answer. In Barnes case he says no and the reason is because of the buyout. In my example the answer is no and the reason is because I felt like I should be here.

My answer is still truthful and it doesn’t have the same offensive impact.
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Maybe this clears it up some.

Are you offended because he was interested in the job to the point if they worked out the details he would have taken it?
or
Because he told you why it didn't work out?

The reason why that matters, your OP firmly implied your interest in the job but not being able to work it out. No different than what Barnes said.
"I felt like I should be here" has reasons why you feel that way.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Maybe this clears it up some.

Are you offended because he was interested in the job to the point if they worked out the details he would have taken it?
or
Because he told you why it didn't work out?

The reason why that matters, your OP firmly implied your interest in the job but not being able to work it out. No different than what Barnes said.
"I felt like I should be here" has reasons why you feel that way.
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Why does there have to be reasons why you feel any way. There are times I get feelings about things and there is no obvious reason why I feel that way about a situation, outcome, person etc. In this situation I would have just stated the reason was for the incredible fan and university support. And no I’m not offended that there was interest. I’m willing to bet that most people that are upset aren’t really upset at his talks with UCLA. I’m offended that his comments imply that he would rather be at UCLA but God wants him to be here. That’s why you see some on the board making comments like “If you don’t want to be here then leave.” That’s why my parents always taught me to think twice before you speak once because words cut and you can’t take them back.
 
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Volsintears said:
Why does there have to be reasons why you feel any way. There are times I get feelings about things and there is no obvious reason why I feel that way about a situation, outcome, person etc. In this situation I would have just stated the reason was for the incredible fan and university support. And no I’m not offended that there was interest. I’m willing to bet that most people that are upset aren’t really upset at his talks with UCLA. I’m offended that his comments imply that he would rather be at UCLA but God wants him to be here. That’s why you see some on the board making comments like “If you don’t want to be here then leave.” That’s why my parents always taught me to think twice before you speak once because words cut and you can’t take them back.
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Theres a reason he had interest to begin with. Its UCLA not ETSU

Theres a reason his interest was solid. 5 mil a year. Had they offered him 2 it changes the way he "feels".

Theres a reason why he said "No". According to him, the buyout.

He wasnt trying to figure out if he wanted to go fishing today or play golf.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Theres a reason he had interest to begin with. Its UCLA not ETSU

Theres a reason his interest was solid. 5 mil a year. Had they offered him 2 it changes the way he "feels".

Theres a reason why he said "No". According to him, the buyout.

He wasnt trying to figure out if he wanted to go fishing today or play golf.
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EXACTLY. According to him.......and that brings us all the way back around to how people think he should have answered differently. A lot of this has to do with how much he disclosed. A different coach as well as myself probably would have disclosed less. In this case less is more. You CAN answer without offending and without leaving questions. History with other coaches has proven this true.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Theres a reason he had interest to begin with. Its UCLA not ETSU

Theres a reason his interest was solid. 5 mil a year. Had they offered him 2 it changes the way he "feels".

Theres a reason why he said "No". According to him, the buyout.

He wasnt trying to figure out if he wanted to go fishing today or play golf.
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It all boils down to this. You and I think and feel differently. As do most passionate fan bases.
 
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BeecherVol said:
When?

Please elaborate on who we have lost or will since this PC. It may swing my opinion.

Thanks.
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I didn’t mean in the past 3 days. The college basketball coaching carousel is always fluid with a ton of moving parts. Unexpected jobs open all the time. Hypothetically then.... how about that? We are recruiting a guy and make it in his top 5. He likes Tennessee, our school, facilities, system we run etc ...But X coach questions Barnes level of long term commitment to our University and plays the stability card to the recruit. This will happen. Just about every time Barnes goes into a living room or another coach does they will have to answer that question and give a real answer. Not some canned stuff that he always says. He created an obstacle by talking about money (which turns people off) when didn’t have to and said if the buyout were right he would probably be the UCLA coach. Im sorry but this was time for boring coach speak not full disclosure
 
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Volsintears said:
It all boils down to this. You and I think and feel differently. As do most passionate fan bases.
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Oh I dont think that's debatable at all.

I just think it's funny that you can be fine with him having interest in the UCLA but when he explains why he said no (which was gonna be one of two obvious reasons) things it becomes offensive.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I didn’t mean in the past 3 days. The college basketball coaching carousel is always fluid with a ton of moving parts. Unexpected jobs open all the time. Hypothetically then.... how about that? We are recruiting a guy and make it in his top 5. He likes Tennessee, our school, facilities, system we run etc ...But X coach questions Barnes level of long term commitment to our University and plays the stability card to the recruit. This will happen. Just about every time Barnes goes into a living room or another coach does they will have to answer that question and give a real answer. Not some canned stuff that he always says. He created an obstacle by talking about money (which turns people off) when didn’t have to and said if the buyout were right he would probably be the UCLA coach. Im sorry but this was time for boring coach speak not full disclosure
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There’s absolutely no other way that he could have answered. The English language is so limited that it renders the speaker helpless to find multiple ways to express a point.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I didn’t mean in the past 3 days. The college basketball coaching carousel is always fluid with a ton of moving parts. Unexpected jobs open all the time. Hypothetically then.... how about that? We are recruiting a guy and make it in his top 5. He likes Tennessee, our school, facilities, system we run etc ...But X coach questions Barnes level of long term commitment to our University and plays the stability card to the recruit. This will happen. Just about every time Barnes goes into a living room or another coach does they will have to answer that question and give a real answer. Not some canned stuff that he always says. He created an obstacle by talking about money (which turns people off) when didn’t have to and said if the buyout were right he would probably be the UCLA coach. Im sorry but this was time for boring coach speak not full disclosure
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Hypothetically will work.

"When" sounded more for sure, as in it's a fact it will happen.

Negative recruiting is pretty easy and common nowadays. Truth be damned in some cases.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I believe this:
1) The buyout was what provided a DELAY in the negotiations.
2) This pause was long enough for Barnes to actually sit down and soul search as to what he truly needed to do.
3) His decision was the kids and the program that he is building.


Ergo, the buyout was the reason he isn't there, not the reason he stayed here. If not for the buyout he would have made a snap and possibly wrong decision. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Well yea, that’s what I’ve been saying.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I didn’t mean in the past 3 days. The college basketball coaching carousel is always fluid with a ton of moving parts. Unexpected jobs open all the time. Hypothetically then.... how about that? We are recruiting a guy and make it in his top 5. He likes Tennessee, our school, facilities, system we run etc ...But X coach questions Barnes level of long term commitment to our University and plays the stability card to the recruit. This will happen. Just about every time Barnes goes into a living room or another coach does they will have to answer that question and give a real answer. Not some canned stuff that he always says. He created an obstacle by talking about money (which turns people off) when didn’t have to and said if the buyout were right he would probably be the UCLA coach. Im sorry but this was time for boring coach speak not full disclosure
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On the other hand, it could go very well with a guy like Cone who values his faith.
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BeecherVol said:
Simple put. Its never good enough for media and fans to just see the end result, which requires no additional information for obvious reasons. Its the same reason why we watch the game and not just check the score later.

Why, is always gonna be of interest. Had Barnes decided to leave, why, would have still mattered.

Was he disgruntled at UT?
Did Fulmer even make an attempt to keep him?
Did UT match or exceed UCLA's offer?

And there are a multitude of questions that spin off of those.
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Barnes did not feel that Tennessee was totally invested in the basketball program. He knew they were more so than in the past; however still not invested like the championship type programs are.

As UCLA tries to lure Rick Barnes, issues in the Tennessee Athletics Department emerge.
 
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Another curious point considering.

If Williams and Bone decide to return after testing interest in the NBA, should anyone question if they want to be here?
 
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BeecherVol said:
Another curious point considering.

If Williams and Bone decide to return after testing interest in the NBA, should anyone question if they want to be here?
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Not a good analogy. A millionaire looking to make a sideways-ish move vs kids (one very blue collar) looking to go from nothing to making millions and not risk an injury that would negate that.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Apparently UCLA isnt either, if that's true.
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I never really thought about that until now. No on could say as a fact; however I would highly suggest you are correct. Now it seems Barnes believes Tennessee is totally invested. The two (UCLA maybe not, Tennessee now is) May have had a major impact on Barnes staying at Tennessee.

We knew Barnes had prayed and thought the buyout was his sign. I had been thinking simply that. However now with your simple statement I’m starting to rethink. We know he prayed about it but the “buyout sign” May have been showing him UCLA is not as invested as he had thought........and Tennessee’s counter along with His discussion with Fulmer May have reinforced that UCLA isn’t but Tennessee now is.

Maybe I’m thinking more into a single statement, but it seems logical.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
Not a good analogy. A millionaire looking to make a sideways-ish move vs kids (one very blue collar) looking to go from nothing to making millions and not risk an injury that would negate that.
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Not all but some think this is a loyalty thing. For those (or simply for the loyalty point) I think it is a fair analogy. Certainly it’s not a fair analogy on other aspects of this topic, but probably is to “the loyalty people.”
 
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JoAllan said:
Barnes did not feel that Tennessee was totally invested in the basketball program. He knew they were more so than in the past; however still not invested like the championship type programs are.
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When did he say that? something I missed?
 
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calban said:
When did he say that? something I missed?
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I highly doubt Barnes has said this openly. I have read about this twice, with him almost going to UCLA. I will try and find the links and post when I find them again.

I was a bit ambiguous sry about that. Was answering a question if Barnes felt disgruntled. I did so based on what I had read. Wasn’t supposed to be fact but one possibility.

As UCLA tries to lure Rick Barnes, issues in the Tennessee Athletics Department emerge.
 
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