Baggett gone

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pl3 said:
Still struggling with comprehension I see.

I am discussing the plausibility of some of these issues and looking at it from a common sense point of view, rather than an emotional one based off of rumor after rumor.

If you want to be a clown and butt in with a little cheap shot from the gallery, I'm not surprised. You seem to be the guy that would kick from the back of the pack and stay away from the scrum.
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Pl3, LWS knows his stuff. He's proven that time and time again.
 
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LWSVOL said:
okay, thats reasonable....

I agree there were other issues not jsut this one which led to this. but this was a very big part of the separation.. let's see what else transpires after this. might help make things even clearer..

and no he didn't ask, that I'm aware of, to have him kicked off. I'm sure he knew that couldn't happen. maybe sit him down for a game or two....
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That's all I'm doing really, is trying to find reason or a reason. If you take out emotion, a lot of things don't add up. I also think Charlie had the authority to sit Rogers if he saw fit. It'd be really hard for him to do.

I think Baggett is just a little long in the tooth and doesn't feel like dealing with these kids anymore, and maybe feels like he has lost a little connection. If he did go to DD and ask for help, I guarantee you it was the first time in his career that he did such. You don't get his name and prowess by not handling your business, and relying on the HC to spot you.
 
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pl3 said:
Then I misread. I guess I was sidetracked by the grits and Mayberry comments.

Who were you insinuating needed to go? Why? and based off of what? Rogers, Baggett, or DD?
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There are much better places to start correcting the problems with this team than WR. The line play has been an atrocity when running the ball. The offense has also been terrible overall. QB and WR have been the only strengths IMO. Getting rid of Baggett seems like more of a philosophical issue about behavior concerning players than a move to improve the team. Or it is just a political ploy to bring in Tee Martin and get some fans back on Dooley's side.


As for sweet tea and grits:

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/aug/22/dooley-gets-it/?mobile
 
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Calculon said:
There are much better places to start correcting the problems with this team than WR. The line play has been an atrocity when running the ball. The offense has also been terrible overall. QB and WR have been the only strengths IMO. Getting rid of Baggett seems like more of a philosophical issue about behavior concerning players than a move to improve the team. Or it is just a political ploy to bring in Tee Martin and get some fans back on Dooley's side.
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I don't think DD would fire Baggett to hire Tee and get the message boards on his side. That doesn't seem plausible. If so, he's gone loco.
 
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LWSVOL said:
dooley cannot be the head coach and coach WRs. that will not work at all.. HC has too many other things to do away frmo complex so WRs would running free with no over sight.. Dooley ain't coaching any position group
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Particularly that position group which have most of your diva attitudes
 
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The NFL wont put up with Da'rick Rogers either. Yeah he'll get drafted but it wont be as high as he would have. Yeah he'll play some for awhile until people in the league see how he treats people. In the end it'll cost him money if he doesnt change.
 
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pl3 said:
I don't think DD would fire Baggett to hire Tee and get the message boards on his side. That doesn't seem plausible. If so, he's gone loco.
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I think he has lost more than the message boards by losing to Kentucky. There is a whole generation of adults who have no conscious memory of losing to UK. Bringing in a Vol hero would certainly not hurt him with the average fan. That is not what I think he did this for though.
 
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pl3 said:
That's all I'm doing really, is trying to find reason or a reason. If you take out emotion, a lot of things don't add up. I also think Charlie had the authority to sit Rogers if he saw fit. It'd be really hard for him to do.

I think Baggett is just a little long in the tooth and doesn't feel like dealing with these kids anymore, and maybe feels like he has lost a little connection. If he did go to DD and ask for help, I guarantee you it was the first time in his career that he did such. You don't get his name and prowess by not handling your business, and relying on the HC to spot you.
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Regardless what DD or did or didn't do to assist in this situation,doesn't excuse CB inability to control his group. He deserves some of the responsibility. How much should be the debate.
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Calculon said:
I think he has lost more than the message boards by losing to Kentucky. There is a whole generation of adults who have no conscious memory of losing to UK. Bringing in a Vol hero would certainly not hurt him with the average fan. That is not what I think he did this for though.
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I'm sure he didn't, but it would be a good decision to get Tee on board for that very reason, along with having a guy closer to the player's age and general background.
 
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If he left on his own then that sucks. Tennessee can absolutely not catch a break.

If he was fired then I'm shocked. Obviously Dooley would have his reasons, but from the outside looking in that would make absolutely no sense.
 
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LWSVOL said:
okay, thats reasonable....

I agree there were other issues not jsut this one which led to this. but this was a very big part of the separation.. let's see what else transpires after this. might help make things even clearer..

and no he didn't ask, that I'm aware of, to have him kicked off. I'm sure he knew that couldn't happen. maybe sit him down for a game or two....
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Is the GA that is currently on the staff (the name slipped my mind) being considered for the WR coach?
 
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BruinVol said:
Regardless what DD or did or didn't do to assist in this situation,doesn't excuse CB inability to control his group. He deserves some of the responsibility. How much should be the debate.
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I don't know what he did or didn't control. I do know WR's and their position coaches have more volatile relationships than any other position in football.
I also know that when any position coach shows inability to control his group, his career is done. How did CB coach so long, then lose ability to control a player in one year, ask a head coach to take care of it for him, then quit because he didn't? That's just soap opera type stuff that gets on here.
 
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pl3 said:
If you take care of your job, your boss doesn't need to be involved. If it was a problem, Charlie needed to fix it or sit him. Funny how you guys think he went to his bosses to handle Rison, Moss, etc, for him. Those guys were always on or past the edge.
Maybe he's a coach that gets the best out of diva receivers. DR had some good numbers.
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Unless you are taking care of your job and your boss (coach) is undermining you. Like say if you are telling your players to do X and the HC says don't worry about it.
 
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BruinVol said:
Regardless what DD or did or didn't do to assist in this situation,doesn't excuse CB inability to control his group. He deserves some of the responsibility. How much should be the debate.
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The responsibility (even if it filters through an assistant coach) eventually falls on the HC.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The responsibility (even if it filters through an assistant coach) eventually falls on the HC.
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It falls on both but if it gets to the HC that means the assistant coach has failed thus must own some responsibility.
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pl3 said:
conspiracy theory that DD was undermining CB?
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Call it conspiracy if you like. What ever it is, it's not as uncommon as you might think. This friction not only is present in sports settings with HCs and position coaches, but in the corporate world as well. The results are the same.
 
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