Back up qb: are we being gullible?

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1vol8 said:
I’ve posted this in other threads but with every passing game it’s becoming more and more clear that the possibility of seeing a backup is at an all time high. So here’s some things to think about to maybe help boost your confidence.

Strike 1- Jeremy Pruitt is a defensive coordinator by trade. Always has been. He played defense in his playing days. The man lives and breathes defense. This is the first time in his life (that we know of) that he’s ever had his hands even remotely involved in offense. And we’ve heard one.....I repeat ONE negative evaluation of our backups, which strangely enough comes from our defensive coordinator HC. Are we to believe that the title of HC alone automatically qualifies you to pass such judgments on a position he’s never coached, played or even been a part of?

Strike 2- we have a heisman trophy winning qb as a qb coach. We have a proven OC (and qb coach) that are the face of the offensive minds at UT. One of the above has given his evaluation of the backups and he seems to strongly disagree with the evaluations set forth with quotes such as “The “it” factor” and “Neither of them have thrown many ints in practice but the goal is 0.” All while our OC refuses to give his personal evaluation out of respect for our HC.

Strike 3- Ill admit I don’t know much about JTS outside of him being 2 years removed from his only year as a starter. His stats are all we have and they’re not very impressive. But that in no way means he hasn’t improved.
Which brings me to BM. We seem to have forgotten what this kid has accomplished while playing with a team that was historically bad.
-He threw for over 3500 yards and 34 tds behind a o line that makes ours look like the New England Patriots. No receivers with speed or size and no running game and his numbers (in a lot of ways) were better than Trevor Lawrence’s senior yr. Let that sink in.
- rushes for another 500+ and 6 more scores.
- completed 65% of his passes while averaging 43 passes a game.
- wins elite 11 regional MVP
- beats out at least 12 of the 24 best QBs in the country to earn the invite to “The Opening”
- Beats out 7 of the top 12 at “The Opening” with a 10/1 td to int ratio against the best defenders in the 2019 class.
- Travels the country earning offers from every school he attended camp throwing “routes on air” and 7on 7
- Tyson Helton quoted saying his workout was “among the best I’ve ever seen”

And we chose to believe that He’s suddenly lost his accuracy since arriving to UT?

I don’t buy it. What I will buy is JG has already hit his ceiling.....last year. I’m not saying BM or JTS WILL be better “right now” but one thing I am sure of is either of them will eventually be but BM has the highest ceiling. Why not start building towards what we could be rather than sticking with what we are? We may be pleasantly surprised.
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If the commentators are saying he takes to long to make up his mind when throwing the ball when we had two wide open TD passes last night them were not the only ones. He's reached his ceiling and needs to go
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
Ok....that’s not what you were talking about.
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Right. We were talking about CJP getting involved in the offense. You picked 2 games that we were not supposed to win after he got involved. I’m only saying it had less to do with him getting involved than it did JGs actual play. Those 2 games are the best we’ve seen JG look.
 
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Grudenator said:
We will never be competitive with JG. He’s a good kid, but an awful QB. He had plenty of time in the pocket last night and just can’t decide when and who to throw it to and when to scramble which is a huge problem.
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You're correct. He just looked like a deer in the headlight. He just acts like he has a problem making quick decisions. LOST HIS CONFIDENCE! I really like him, but.
 
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Volhoops said:
That statement makes no sense what so ever. Furman hung 42 on GA State yesterday. If TN with their better personnel hung 42 on GA State then TN still wins vs the 38 the defense gave up. The defense HELD BYU to 16 points yesterday. If you think this defense is going to have a shut out just so JG can get a win you are off the rails. The defense is younger than the offense so don't expect greatness. UT will not win with JG at quarterback. This defense is a long way from being an SEC defense so you better win some shoot outs.
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Did I mention “shutout” anywhere in my post? No, I did not.

Did I even REMOTELY suggest that I “expect greatness” out of Tennessee’s defense? No.

What I did say, EXACTLY, is that even a 10 percent improvement on the defensive end would likely have been enough to have Tennessee at 2-0 today. Yes, the defense is young and a long way from SEC quality, but the ease with which both highly inferior opponents have scored on them at crunchtime has GOT to get them a little bigger share of the blame for the losses than they've received. It seems like a lot of fans are giving them a total pass in order to lay the entire blame on the QB. JG doesn’t deserve ALL of blame as some here have implied he deserves.

As for your insistence that the fact that “Furman hung 42 on Ga State yesterday” is proof that my opinion is invalid, I actually think it hammers my original point home — unless you think both GA State AND Furman are truly far superior football teams than Tennessee.

Perhaps they are.
 
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1vol8 said:
Right. We were talking about CJP getting involved in the offense. You picked 2 games that we were not supposed to win after he got involved. I’m only saying it had less to do with him getting involved than it did JGs actual play. Those 2 games are the best we’ve seen JG look.
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I pointed out examples that don’t support your arguments RE: Pruitt and JG/offensive personnel. Pruitt has coached offense before, that’s fact. He was involved in O last season, thts also a fact. You’re suggesting he brought in a super experienced OC and is choosing to ignore him and Weinke, to the teams’s and his own detriment. Your only reasoning is he wants to be in control? He demoted his friend to bring in a new DC. He hired one of the most experienced and successful SEC OC’s possible. Those facts also run counter to your sole reasoning that he wants to be in control more than he wants to win.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
I pointed out examples that don’t support your arguments RE: Pruitt and JG/offensive personnel. Pruitt has coached offense before, that’s fact. He was involved in O last season, thts also a fact. You’re suggesting he brought in a super experienced OC and is choosing to ignore him and Weinke, to the teams’s and his own detriment. Your only reasoning is he wants to be in control? He demoted his friend to bring in a new DC. He hired one of the most experienced and successful SEC OC’s possible. Those facts also run counter to your sole reasoning that he wants to be in control more than he wants to win.
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I’m not disagreeing at all. That’s what you don’t understand. I’m not at all suggesting he doesn’t want to win. His job depends on it. Which is why it’s only reasonable to give the most experienced QB first crack at the starting job. My overall point is not to discredit him wanting to win. It’s to hopefully install a little faith in our backups that seems to be lacking due to the narrative set forth.
 
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As Pat Summitt’s dad, Richard Head, once famously told her, “You don’t take donkeys to the Kentucky Derby.”
 
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dmwhite1 said:
I want Brian Maurer to play even Trent dilfer likes this kid a 6’4 manziel
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And Trent Dilfer is one of the best QB coaches in the country. Never understood why he’s not on a staff somewhere around CFB or the NFL. He must be making a killing doing the elite 11
 
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1vol8 said:
And Trent Dilfer is one of the best QB coaches in the country. Never understood why he’s not on a staff somewhere around CFB or the NFL. He must be making a killing doing the elite 11
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He is that show is televised everywhere and plus I thinks he’s doin alright down there at lipscomb academy
 
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1vol8 said:
I’m not disagreeing at all. That’s what you don’t understand. I’m not at all suggesting he doesn’t want to win. His job depends on it. Which is why it’s only reasonable to give the most experienced QB first crack at the starting job. My overall point is not to discredit him wanting to win. It’s to hopefully install a little faith in our backups that seems to be lacking due to the narrative set forth.
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I did misunderstand you because it seemed like you said Pruitt is ignoring Chaney and Weinke and refusing to play the best QB just because he wants to be in control.
 
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Billy Ratliff said:
I did misunderstand you because it seemed like you said Pruitt is ignoring Chaney and Weinke and refusing to play the best QB just because he wants to be in control.
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Not at all. I think he’s playing JG due to experience and experience alone. But it has NOTHING to do with talent. BM is by far the most talented but lacks the experience.
 
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CAVPUT said:
To the point...

-the backups aren't ready
-we have a transfer in waiting for next year
- we have a blue Chip recruit coming in

We are already preparing for the future.
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We won’t know that the backups aren’t ready until they are on the field. What’s the worse that could happen? We lose a game?
 
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You can say the backups aren't ready but you have no idea truthfully. They have kept the fans and the media locked out. You have only been able to sip the Jeremy Pruitt Kool aid but by all means keep chugging it and see where it gets you.
 
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Negan said:
We won’t know that the backups aren’t ready until they are on the field. What’s the worse that could happen? We lose a game?
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Even if we did lose it changes nothing. Bo Nix threw 2 pretty bad ints in his first game and the fact that he still played so well otherwise...... not a damn sole is saying “he’s not ready”.
 
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RockyTopJewel said:
You can say the backups aren't ready but you have no idea truthfully. They have kept the fans and the media locked out. You have only been able to sip the Jeremy Pruitt Kool aid but by all means keep chugging it and see where it gets you.
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That’s what I’ve been saying all along. We only know what they want us to know.
 
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JG is a qb that's looks good on the practice field but chokes when it's time to play in a game. Put BM in let him play. We have nothing to lose at this point. We are not going to win with JG. Clemson pulled a veteran QB last year and went with a freshman. Look what happened. A qb change has to be made. The UTC game is the place to do it.
 
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