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Let's blame--or, more accurately, hold accountable--each person for the things that THEY did and the decisions that THEY made.

It is not only possible, but right, to hold the refs accountable for some pretty shoddy, if not under-handed, play-calling. And at the very same time, hold a bunch of idiots (not all 17-22 years old) responsible for THEIR decisions and actions.

If you behave childishly, irresponsibly, even criminally, that's on you. No matter what hardships you feel like you faced.

Put this as plainly as possible: the refs were wrong, badly wrong in some of their play calls. And the hoodlums were wrong, badly wrong, in their actions as well. Two wrongs do not make a right, and someone else doing wrong never excuses you for reacting wrongly.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Let's blame--or, more accurately, hold accountable--each person for the things that THEY did and the decisions that THEY made.

It is not only possible, but right, to hold the refs accountable for some pretty shoddy, if not under-handed, play-calling. And at the very same time, hold a bunch of idiots (not all 17-22 years old) responsible for THEIR decisions and actions.

If you behave childishly, irresponsibly, even criminally, that's on you. No matter what hardships you feel like you faced.

Put this as plainly as possible: the refs were wrong, badly wrong in some of their play calls. And the hoodlums were wrong, badly wrong, in their actions as well. Two wrongs do not make a right, and someone else doing wrong never excuses you for reacting wrongly.
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Both need to be held accountable.. Should fine the refs 250000 bucks as well...
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Let's blame--or, more accurately, hold accountable--each person for the things that THEY did and the decisions that THEY made.

It is not only possible, but right, to hold the refs accountable for some pretty shoddy, if not under-handed, play-calling. And at the very same time, hold a bunch of idiots (not all 17-22 years old) responsible for THEIR decisions and actions.

If you behave childishly, irresponsibly, even criminally, that's on you. No matter what hardships you feel like you faced.

Put this as plainly as possible: the refs were wrong, badly wrong in some of their play calls. And the hoodlums were wrong, badly wrong, in their actions as well. Two wrongs do not make a right, and someone else doing wrong never excuses you for reacting wrongly.
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So what do you think the punishment should be for the people that threw trash on the field?
 
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OrangeDrip said:
So what do you think the punishment should be for the people that threw trash on the field?
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No idea. It is thankfully not my job to know criminal sentencing guidelines, nor the penalties for violations of the UT student code of conduct. The folks in charge of that stuff will figure it out, I'm sure.
 
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A2K said:
if these college kids go to jail...Im bailing them out...its a stupid narrative
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Not sure if you are aware that a golf ball thrown from the stands onto the field can put someone in the hospital. So can a full bottle of water. It’s not a stupid narrative. What’s stupid is the decisions of some of our idiot fans who think that the outcome of a football game is worth seriously injuring someone.
 
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OrangeDrip said:
So what do you think the punishment should be for the people that threw trash on the field?
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Make the punishment for the crime. How about a few weekends of community service picking up trash. Add a ban from attending games for one year. And let them know if they ever get caught doing it again, there will be actual criminal prosecution. I think that balances things out fairly
 
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This is about accountability for their actions, and their actions in no way is vindicated because of poor officiating.
Nothing a person does that is bad/wrong is ever ok. I doesn't matter what the reason is. Each bad/wrong stands by itself. That is the way our laws are written.
It didn't accomplish anything positive. It will not change anything about the game or the officials in the SEC. Nothing. Totally Pointless.
On the negative side, it cost the university $250k that will be withheld from the end of year distributions. For all I know, that may mean the other schools get our 250K. That's real smart. If that isn't bad enough, we are now he laughing stock of the SEC, the media, and the rest of college football.
The idea that this was justifiable is so messed up, that anyone who thinks that way is beyond help, and will live their life contributing to the ongoing downfall of our great nation.
This is never acceptable period. I personally hope they are banned for 5 to 10 years and I really don't care if it's forever. Life has consequences.
 
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Instead of wasting time persecuting the fans, they probably should be more worried about what Pruitt probably has on them.
 
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A2K said:
Going to blame a bunch of 17 year olds as opposed to horrible officiating and athletes that lay down on the field so they can breath...Insane!
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Kids played their heart out!!! There's no quit in this team so far! Yes they where some very questionable calls throughout the game but ole well. I'm more concerned what happened from the fans in the last minute!! It's absolutely pitiful.
 
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Just wondering if any of the folks saying the students throwing things and should be charged, kicked out of sporting events, etc, are some of the same folks that say players are young, we all make mistakes, etc when a player gets arrested. Just wondering!!
 
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a vol n tears said:
Just wondering if any of the folks saying the students throwing things and should be charged, kicked out of sporting events, etc, are some of the same folks that say players are young, we all make mistakes, etc when a player gets arrested. Just wondering!!
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Not me.
To begin your reconciliation, you first have to be arrested. After arrest and if convicted, a punishment follows. No difference here. Arrested players are usually given a path back and have little room to be forgiven if they screw up again. They certainly don't play the next week. There are consequences for making poor decisions in life. Doesn't have to be illegal.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Not sure if you are aware that a golf ball thrown from the stands onto the field can put someone in the hospital. So can a full bottle of water. It’s not a stupid narrative. What’s stupid is the decisions of some of our idiot fans who think that the outcome of a football game is worth seriously injuring someone.
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Hitting into a group on the golf course can too. Throwing a golf ball? Meh. If they find the person that did it then ban him from UT events. If lane wants to press charges then fine but otherwise seems like a waste of time.
 
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There’s a difference between being held accountable and scapegoating. If there is precedent of trash being thrown within the conference (which there was), and only one of those schools is subject to a fine, that is called scapegoating. Any entity that arbitrarily enforces the rules in such a manner should be subject to legal action, and cease to exist.

Throwing trash onto the field was not our finest moment, but we are not the first, nor will we be the last school to do this. Personally, I cannot perpetuate an unhealthy culture and cycle of shame, fear, and control onto the university that I love; and I will not be made to feel ashamed by the media anymore so than Ole Miss was two years ago. They weren’t. They were subjected to none of this. It is just as much of a mistake now as it was then, but no more so. We are forgiven. Let’s move on.
 
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golfballs said:
Hitting into a group on the golf course can too. Throwing a golf ball? Meh. If they find the person that did it then ban him from UT events. If lane wants to press charges then fine but otherwise seems like a waste of time.
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It cost the university 250k. I don't think they view it has a waste of time.
 
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Let's be freaking real here, if lives were in danger, then someone would have gotten hurt. They didn't, because no one was throwing at anyone really --they were throwing trash on the field, which has happened hundreds of times. Maybe this time there was just more of it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Kiffin was hit with a golf ball --- more likely it rolled in front of him and he grabbed it to enhance the narrative the press was all too eager to present. Kind of like they enjoyed saying he snagged a plastic bottle out of the air one-handed, when he clearly swatted it away like you or I would.

I'm with the idea of making them clean up Neyland or pay a fine, ban them from a certain number of games, and make them take a sportsmanship class. And maybe the university could do something to cut off alcohol to those who appear to be falling down drunk.
 
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