Are there really 51 Power 5 coaches better than Butch?

[Behr]

One of the first things that comes to my mind when football is mentioned. Tennessee Alabama.

 

[BeecherVol]

Poor old TN. Always have to play bama. Always have to play fl early. Always have tough ooc, always have the two toughest draws from the west.

What a shame. bless their hearts.

Feel like starting an OVC chant.

"Make Tennessee Great Again"

 

[99gator]

I have to address the Bama nonsense from several posts back because I am tired of this fiction.

1. You asked for this. You want to keep the "Third Saturday in October". Well, then accept it for what it means.

2. Name the season where losing the Alabama game cost Tennessee the SEC East. There is only one season, 1992 (Of course, beating South Carolina or Arkansas would have gotten the job done too).

3. Tennessee's problem has been losing too many games, period. Since going to the SEC Championship game in 2007, they have lost a minimum of 4 conference games every season but one, 2015. Since 2007, Tennessee is 28-25 vs the SEC East. They are 4-12 vs SEC West teams not named Alabama. Doing the math, Tennessee is below .500 against SEC opponents not named Alabama since Saban has been the head coach at Alabama.

Quit crying about Alabama.

 

[Iam4utalways]

I have to address the Bama nonsense from several posts back because I am tired of this fiction.

1. You asked for this. You want to keep the "Third Saturday in October". Well, then accept it for what it means.

2. Name the season where losing the Alabama game cost Tennessee the SEC East. There is only one season, 1992 (Of course, beating South Carolina or Arkansas would have gotten the job done too).

3. Tennessee's problem has been losing too many games, period. Since going to the SEC Championship game in 2007, they have lost a minimum of 4 conference games every season but one, 2015. Since 2007, Tennessee is 28-25 vs the SEC East. They are 4-12 vs SEC West teams not named Alabama. Doing the math, Tennessee is below .500 against SEC opponents not named Alabama since Saban has been the head coach at Alabama.

Quit crying about Alabama.

Worst Vol Fan > best gator fan

Go home.

Y'all got a QB yet?

 

[BeecherVol]

I have to address the Bama nonsense from several posts back because I am tired of this fiction.

1. You asked for this. You want to keep the "Third Saturday in October". Well, then accept it for what it means.

2. Name the season where losing the Alabama game cost Tennessee the SEC East. There is only one season, 1992 (Of course, beating South Carolina or Arkansas would have gotten the job done too).

3. Tennessee's problem has been losing too many games, period. Since going to the SEC Championship game in 2007, they have lost a minimum of 4 conference games every season but one, 2015. Since 2007, Tennessee is 28-25 vs the SEC East. They are 4-12 vs SEC West teams not named Alabama. Doing the math, Tennessee is below .500 against SEC opponents not named Alabama since Saban has been the head coach at Alabama.

Quit crying about Alabama.

Hey, if we get them off the schedule it makes us better.

Need a wider plate, we can't throw it over this one.

 

[sjt18]

I have to address the Bama nonsense from several posts back because I am tired of this fiction.

1. You asked for this. You want to keep the "Third Saturday in October". Well, then accept it for what it means.

2. Name the season where losing the Alabama game cost Tennessee the SEC East. There is only one season, 1992 (Of course, beating South Carolina or Arkansas would have gotten the job done too).

3. Tennessee's problem has been losing too many games, period. Since going to the SEC Championship game in 2007, they have lost a minimum of 4 conference games every season but one, 2015. Since 2007, Tennessee is 28-25 vs the SEC East. They are 4-12 vs SEC West teams not named Alabama. Doing the math, Tennessee is below .500 against SEC opponents not named Alabama since Saban has been the head coach at Alabama.

Quit crying about Alabama.

So your point is that UT is NOT at a disadvantage right now having Bama as their annual cross over game?

I actually agree that it has not prevented UT from winning the East... but it makes UT's path to doing so much more difficult.

Not sure who "you" is... but I would gladly drop that tradition and have rotation on both games. It produces disadvantages for UT but also all of those top 6 programs over time.

 

[99gator]

So your point is that UT is NOT at a disadvantage right now having Bama as their annual cross over game?

I actually agree that it has not prevented UT from winning the East... but it makes UT's path to doing so much more difficult.

Not sure who "you" is... but I would gladly drop that tradition and have rotation on both games. It produces disadvantages for UT but also all of those top 6 programs over time.

It's not more difficult. The Bama game is irrelevant as long as you beat the teams in the division.

I understand the kind of scenario you all are describing.

Tennessee beats Georgia. Georgia wins the rest.

Tennessee loses to Florida and Alabama.

Georgia goes to the title game.

And believe it or not, that has happened. I don't see anyone giving back the 1997 SEC title because Florida played 9-3 LSU while Tennessee played 4-7 Alabama.

The overall point is that you are complaining about something that is currently irrelevant. It hasn't mattered. It is not likely to matter. We've been playing under the current format for 25 years and it hasn't mattered yet.

Edit: the "you" is the Tennessee fan base, the vast majority of which would like to keep the Tennessee-Alabama rivalry going. I know it's not all, but it's most, so, this argument is made really toward the people who want to play Alabama every year and then cry about the disadvantage it puts you in.

If you are in the "to hell with the Alabama rivalry" contingent, then that's a different story.

For me, a lot of this is like the Big 10/PAC 10 complaining about the original bowl alliance while holding on to their precious Rose Bowl.

 

[apevol]

After everything that has been stated on this platform, going for 1 instead of 2 in the Florida game is all that we need to know about CBJ's on field coaching abilities.

your sn is glorious.

 

[jakez4ut]

3. Tennessee's problem has been losing too many games, period. Since going to the SEC Championship game in 2007, they have lost a minimum of 4 conference games every season but one, 2015. Since 2007, Tennessee is 28-25 vs the SEC East. They are 4-12 vs SEC West teams not named Alabama. Doing the math, Tennessee is below .500 against SEC opponents not named Alabama since Saban has been the head coach at Alabama.

Quit crying about Alabama.

This.

 

[Behr]

It's not more difficult. The Bama game is irrelevant as long as you beat the teams in the division.

I understand the kind of scenario you all are describing.

Tennessee beats Georgia. Georgia wins the rest.

Tennessee loses to Florida and Alabama.

Georgia goes to the title game.

And believe it or not, that has happened. I don't see anyone giving back the 1997 SEC title because Florida played 9-3 LSU while Tennessee played 4-7 Alabama.

The overall point is that you are complaining about something that is currently irrelevant. It hasn't mattered. It is not likely to matter. We've been playing under the current format for 25 years and it hasn't mattered yet.

Edit: the "you" is the Tennessee fan base, the vast majority of which would like to keep the Tennessee-Alabama rivalry going. I know it's not all, but it's most, so, this argument is made really toward the people who want to play Alabama every year and then cry about the disadvantage it puts you in.

If you are in the "to hell with the Alabama rivalry" contingent, then that's a different story.

For me, a lot of this is like the Big 10/PAC 10 complaining about the original bowl alliance while holding on to their precious Rose Bowl.

I want to keep the rivalry. I have not said one word about it not being fair (crying). I've not seen anyone, much less a vast majority that wants to keep it, yet cries about it.

Did I miss something in your post?

 

[sjt18]

It's not more difficult. The Bama game is irrelevant as long as you beat the teams in the division.

That's a ridiculous statement even for you. Bama is an almost guaranteed loss for anyone right now. So UT starts every season right now with a loss and much less margin for error than UF and certainly UGA.

And believe it or not, that has happened. I don't see anyone giving back the 1997 SEC title because Florida played 9-3 LSU while Tennessee played 4-7 Alabama.

Apples and oranges. No one has had a run of dominance like Bama's in a very long time. No one is likely to have one like it in a very long time. It will end... but since Saban's first year... UT has basically started with a one loss handicap.

The overall point is that you are complaining about something that is currently irrelevant. It hasn't mattered. It is not likely to matter. We've been playing under the current format for 25 years and it hasn't mattered yet.

Not "complaining" so much as pointing out an obvious disadvantage for UT right now. I acknowledged it has not prevented UT from winning the East. It just makes the path harder than what UGA or UF face on a yearly basis... which is pretty much self-evident.

 

[chargervol]

I have to address the Bama nonsense from several posts back because I am tired of this fiction.

1. You asked for this. You want to keep the "Third Saturday in October". Well, then accept it for what it means.

2. Name the season where losing the Alabama game cost Tennessee the SEC East. There is only one season, 1992 (Of course, beating South Carolina or Arkansas would have gotten the job done too).

3. Tennessee's problem has been losing too many games, period. Since going to the SEC Championship game in 2007, they have lost a minimum of 4 conference games every season but one, 2015. Since 2007, Tennessee is 28-25 vs the SEC East. They are 4-12 vs SEC West teams not named Alabama. Doing the math, Tennessee is below .500 against SEC opponents not named Alabama since Saban has been the head coach at Alabama.

Quit crying about Alabama.

While I somewhat agree with this..

One thing definitely more annoying than Vol fans "crying" on a VOL FAN BOARD, is a gator crying about what Vol fans say on their board.

You wanna switch teams, whine all you want. Until then, any Vol here can cry about whatever they choose. Suck it up buttercup.

 

[Behr]

Haha.

 

[Iam4utalways]

While I somewhat agree with this..

One thing definitely more annoying than Vol fans "crying" on a VOL FAN BOARD, is a gator crying about what Vol fans say on their board.

You wanna switch teams, whine all you want. Until then, any Vol here can cry about whatever they choose. Suck it up buttercup.

Well put.

 

[BeecherVol]

While I somewhat agree with this..

One thing definitely more annoying than Vol fans "crying" on a VOL FAN BOARD, is a gator crying about what Vol fans say on their board.

You wanna switch teams, whine all you want. Until then, any Vol here can cry about whatever they choose. Suck it up buttercup.

He didn't start it. But to this point has made more sense than many here, regardless of his allegiances.

 

[VolGee4]

That's a ridiculous statement even for you. Bama is an almost guaranteed loss for anyone right now. So UT starts every season right now with a loss and much less margin for error than UF and certainly UGA.


Apples and oranges. No one has had a run of dominance like Bama's in a very long time. No one is likely to have one like it in a very long time. It will end... but since Saban's first year... UT has basically started with a one loss handicap.

Not "complaining" so much as pointing out an obvious disadvantage for UT right now. I acknowledged it has not prevented UT from winning the East. It just makes the path harder than what UGA or UF face on a yearly basis... which is pretty much self-evident.

I don't agree with you often, but you are right on with this. Even though a loss to Alabama itself has not stopped UT from winning the East, it is absolutely a disadvantage. How do people not understand that? It means UT has to be near perfect in the East. I am not a stats guy, but the probabilities bear out that playing Alabama and a random West team is more difficult than playing two other random West teams. It may not specifically effect that one game, but it effects the entire conference schedule.

And for those saying that some of us are crying about it...I am a traditionalist. I like playing Alabama. I can still realize that it's a severe disadvantage.

 

[99gator]

I remember when this board ripped Les Miles for his complaint that LSU had to play Florida on a permanent basis while Alabama had Tennessee.

I'll just leave it like this. Alabama isn't worried about their schedule. Every year Gator fans, Bulldog fans, and Volunteer fans look at each other's schedule and try to decipher who has an advantage and who's got it easy and who's getting screwed. Alabama, they ain't worried.

And in the last few years, Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia aren't even good enough to handle their business. And what business they did handle required converting 4th and 14's, making goal line stands, completing Hail Mary's, winning while giving up 600+ yards of total offense, etc, etc, etc.

It's like the Buffalo Bills finding it unfair they have to play the New England Patriots twice.

Which reminds me, if you want to talk about being at a disadvantage, try playing in the SEC West.

 

[HARTUPM]

It's not more difficult. The Bama game is irrelevant as long as you beat the teams in the division.

I understand the kind of scenario you all are describing.

Tennessee beats Georgia. Georgia wins the rest.

Tennessee loses to Florida and Alabama.

Georgia goes to the title game.

And believe it or not, that has happened. I don't see anyone giving back the 1997 SEC title because Florida played 9-3 LSU while Tennessee played 4-7 Alabama.

The overall point is that you are complaining about something that is currently irrelevant. It hasn't mattered. It is not likely to matter. We've been playing under the current format for 25 years and it hasn't mattered yet.

Edit: the "you" is the Tennessee fan base, the vast majority of which would like to keep the Tennessee-Alabama rivalry going. I know it's not all, but it's most, so, this argument is made really toward the people who want to play Alabama every year and then cry about the disadvantage it puts you in.

If you are in the "to hell with the Alabama rivalry" contingent, then that's a different story.

For me, a lot of this is like the Big 10/PAC 10 complaining about the original bowl alliance while holding on to their precious Rose Bowl.

The bama game for a UT fan is never irrelevant, regular season or SEC title game.

 

[Boca Vol]

The bama game for a UT fan is never irrelevant, regular season or SEC title game.

Well, that part is irrelevant because it's never happened.

 

[KBVol]

Tom Herman said some similarly goofy things. No one batted an eye.

"Usually a five-star kid has five-star talent," Herman said "What rankings don’t do though is crack their chest open and look at their heart."

Context dude....context.

When Herman, who was one of the hottest coaches in the country the last couple seasons, said that, was it in response to being asked about not winning his division in his 4th season when he was the overwhelming favorite....and insisting that winning the division was never discussed and a goal? Similarly, did he make those comments after failing to land 3-4 of his top highly rated recruiting targets in the state? And how many other goofy, nonsensical things has Herman said in years past? Does he have a reputation for saying dumb stuff like Jones?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

He didn't start it. But to this point has made more sense than many here, regardless of his allegiances.

No, he really hasn't. Hold on, I'll explain why...

I remember when this board ripped Les Miles....

And that's your logical flaw. You tend to see "this board" (by which you mean all the people who post in these forums) as a monolithic bloc. You told us that "you" (we all) want to keep Alabama but then "you" (we all) complain that it puts our team at a disadvantage.

No.

On this matter, we are a VolNation divided.

Folks who want to preserve the Third Saturday in October (me included) don't mind the challenge that comes with it; we embrace it.

Folks who complain about having to play Alabama do NOT want to preserve the tradition. I suspect that the majority of them were born after 1975 and see Florida, not Bama, as our top rival.

It's almost, maybe not quite but almost, a generational thing. And so you're wrong again, it's not "the vast majority" who want to keep TSIO...it's probably closer to 50/50, or at most two-thirds to one-third. There are plenty of Vols fans who don't see Bama as our top rival.

Edit: the "you" is the Tennessee fan base, the vast majority of which would like to keep the Tennessee-Alabama rivalry going. I know it's not all, but it's most, so, this argument is made really toward the people who want to play Alabama every year and then cry about the disadvantage it puts you in.

There are very few of "those people," actually. Most either want to keep TSIO, or complain about it being a disadvantage. Rarely (never?) both.

 

[jakez4ut]

As long as ga and fl keep losing to at least 1 west team annually, as they both routinely do, it's not a disadvantage.

When they start winning the division at 7-1 with the one being tn regularly, then we can talk.

News flash people, the west on the whole is better than the east.

Until that balance shifts, 6-2 in the east will win it more times than not. You just can't lose both west games, and we've done that..,, a lot.

And you can't lose to vandy and USCe.

 

[99gator]

No, he really hasn't. Hold on, I'll explain why...



And that's your logical flaw. You tend to see "this board" (by which you mean all the people who post in these forums) as a monolithic bloc. You told us that "you" (we all) want to keep Alabama but then "you (we all) complain that it puts our team at a disadvantage.

No.

On this matter, we are a nation divided.

The vast majority of folks who want to preserve the Third Saturday in October (me included) don't mind the challenge that comes with it; we embrace it.

The vast majority of folks who are complaining about having to play Alabama do NOT want to preserve the tradition. In fact, I suspect that the majority of them were born after 1975 and see Florida, not Bama, as our top rival.

It's almost, not quite but almost, a generational thing. And so you're wrong again, it's not "the vast majority" who want to keep TSIO...it's probably closer to half, or at most two-thirds to one-third. There are a LOT of Vols fans who don't see Bama as our top rival.



There are very few of "those people," actually. Most either want to keep TSIO, or complain about it being a disadvantage. Rarely (never?) both.

In short.....point taken.

It just makes me shake my head that some people point to the Alabama game as if that's the problem.

It isn't.

Not to mention, and this goes for everybody, to get where you want to be you're going to have to beat Bama.

In Florida'a case, we're going to have to beat FSU and Bama back to back..:: and we asked for that

 

[BeecherVol]

No, he really hasn't. Hold on, I'll explain why...



And that's your logical flaw. You tend to see "this board" (by which you mean all the people who post in these forums) as a monolithic bloc. You told us that "you" (we all) want to keep Alabama but then "you (we all) complain that it puts our team at a disadvantage.

No.

On this matter, we are a nation divided.

The vast majority of folks who want to preserve the Third Saturday in October (me included) don't mind the challenge that comes with it; we embrace it.

The vast majority of folks who are complaining about having to play Alabama do NOT want to preserve the tradition. In fact, I suspect that the majority of them were born after 1975 and see Florida, not Bama, as our top rival.

It's almost, not quite but almost, a generational thing. And so you're wrong again, it's not "the vast majority" who want to keep TSIO...it's probably closer to half, or at most two-thirds to one-third. There are a LOT of Vols fans who don't see Bama as our top rival.



There are very few of "those people," actually. Most either want to keep TSIO, or complain about it being a disadvantage. Rarely (never?) both.

Preserving the game for historical purposes doesn't matter to me from that sense.

It's the *****ing and moaning that it's costing a coach more grief because the perception is that the Bama game is costing the program the division.

Nut up and beat SC and Vandy when they suck. Then you can belly ache.

 

[jakez4ut]

Preserving the game for historical purposes doesn't matter to me from that sense.

It's the *****ing and moaning that it's costing a coach more grief because the perception is that the Bama game is costing the program the division.

Nut up and beat SC and Vandy when they suck. Then you can belly ache.

Agreed. I like having the game because I grew up on it, and honestly I'd hate to not play it.

But times change. There was a time people couldn't live without ou/neb or tx/aTm..,,

Now they do.

Just don't tell me we have to change the schedule because "it's not fair".

BS.