Are there really 51 Power 5 coaches better than Butch?

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jakez4ut said:
and no east team has gone undefeated in conf. And every eat team save UGA has lost to at least 1 west opponent every year over the past few years.


And the year UGA beat both west opponents they still didn't win the division.

Beating bama is important but it's not the path to the East.

It just doesn't matter. If all your division competitors lose to a west team, does it matter that ours just happens to be bama every year?

The sin, is losing both.
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Even winning against our second SECw team, but still losing to Alabama puts us in a bad position. If we lose a second SEC game. Last year was a prime example. Even if we'd have won against A&M, as soon as we lost to USCe, we were no longer in control of our own destiny, and would needed Florida to lose (which they did) a second game in order to win the SECe, even though we had already beaten them and Georgia. With a near-automatic loss to Alabama as long as Saban is there, we are not in control of our own destiny in the SECe.

Neither Florida nor Georgia have that scenario every year the way we do, and both of them have a decent chance in 2017 of winning against both of their SECw opponents.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Even winning against our second SECw team, but still losing to Alabama puts us in a bad position. If we lose a second SEC game. Last year was a prime example. Even if we'd have won against A&M, as soon as we lost to USCe, we were no longer in control of our own destiny, and would needed Florida to lose (which they did) a second game in order to win the SECe, even though we had already beaten them and Georgia. With a near-automatic loss to Alabama as long as Saban is there, we are not in control of our own destiny in the SECe.

Neither Florida nor Georgia have that scenario every year the way we do, and both of them have a decent chance in 2017 of winning against both of their SECw opponents.
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Fl and ga routinely lose to west teams we routinely lose to bama. In the w/l column they count the same.

We're the ones that routinely loses to both west teams.

And that's the only difference.
 
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flatiron said:
Tom Herman said some similarly goofy things. No one batted an eye.

"Usually a five-star kid has five-star talent," Herman said "What rankings don’t do though is crack their chest open and look at their heart."
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Is Tom Herman known as being a cliche machine? If not, it probably went unnoticed.

Butch's problem is timing.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Nope, but the permanent rivalry cross over game is silly. There is no logic behind any team playing a permanent team from the West and it should rotate just like most other conferences.
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Sillier than, say, rearranging the whole conference schedule cause we're butt hurt about having to play bama every year?

I don't remember anyone suggesting this when we were beating them every year a decade or so ago.

Maybe we should stop keeping score and hand out ribbons at the end of the season to protect our fragile psyches.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Is Tom Herman known as being a cliche machine? If not, it probably went unnoticed.

Butch's problem is timing.
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The SB Nation site for the Houston referred to him as the "cliche master" and his slogans and catch phrases are regularly discussed in profile articles on him, so I would say he is at least somewhat known for using them.
 
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jakez4ut said:
and no east team has gone undefeated in conf. And every eat team save UGA has lost to at least 1 west opponent every year over the past few years.


And the year UGA beat both west opponents they still didn't win the division.

Beating bama is important but it's not the path to the East.

It just doesn't matter. If all your division competitors lose to a west team, does it matter that ours just happens to be bama every year?

The sin, is losing both.
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If you are seriously arguing that playing Alabama every year doesn't have an impact on UT's chances to win the East, then I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong. Since 2010 Alabama has lost 8 conference games, the next fewest losses is LSU with 17, which happens to be UT's second most common opponent for the last decade or so. Nah, having to beat the top two teams from the East and the West isn't an issue especially the when you competition doesn't have to do the same. I don't care who UT hires, until that changes UT will have a very small chance to compete for the East.
 
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He still makes more money and has more success than those of you who think you somehow got "one up" on him bashing him on a forum. You just couldn't cut it in the real world so you hope to find miserable company here when you take the coward route throwing shots and missing with each one. How's that working out for you? Oh wait. You're still here bashing a winning college football coach behind his back. Those who bash winners are losers. No, there aren't 51 better power 5 coaches. Never mind the orange and white, you couldn't hack it in a pink tutu without crying the ballerina only beat you because she bullied you. There's no such thing as a "NegaVol" because the moment you betray your team with that complaining BS, you reveal you're not fit to be a Vol at all.
 
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flatiron said:
The SB Nation site for the Houston referred to him as the "cliche master" and his slogans and catch phrases are regularly discussed in profile articles on him, so I would say he is at least somewhat known for using them.
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Could you imagine if UT played UT in a bowl game? The coaches' press conference would be the hit of the week.
 
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landscapingvol said:
If you are seriously arguing that playing Alabama every year doesn't have an impact on UT's chances to win the East, then I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong. Since 2010 Alabama has lost 8 conference games, the next fewest losses is LSU with 17, which happens to be UT's second most common opponent for the last decade or so. Nah, having to beat the top two teams from the East and the West isn't an issue especially the when you competition doesn't have to do the same. I don't care who UT hires, until that changes UT will have a very small chance to compete for the East.
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And how many times has fl and ga gone undefeated again against their west opponents? 1 time in the last 16 games.

How many times have the gone 0fer against them? Once ,Twice?

So you tell me... bigger sin losing to bama.... or losing to bama and....

Y'all have built this in to something it's just not.

Coulda won the east the last two years with the loss to bama.
 
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landscapingvol said:
If you are seriously arguing that playing Alabama every year doesn't have an impact on UT's chances to win the East, then I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong. Since 2010 Alabama has lost 8 conference games, the next fewest losses is LSU with 17, which happens to be UT's second most common opponent for the last decade or so. Nah, having to beat the top two teams from the East and the West isn't an issue especially the when you competition doesn't have to do the same. I don't care who UT hires, until that changes UT will have a very small chance to compete for the East.
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Yea, I think his argument is off on this. Even though UF and UGA still usually beat 1 west team per year, the fact that we play Bama every year has put us behind. Right now, Bama is an automatic loss for us, and then it's the luck of the draw with the other west team. Consistently, we have drawn a very tough game for the other west team.

If Auburn and LSU had been as tough as Bama the last 8 years, then I might agree. But it's not as simple of an argument that he is making it out to be.

Does that mean I want to quit? Hell no, that was just a dumb response. But it is factual. People on this side, though, don't care about facts.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Sillier than, say, rearranging the whole conference schedule cause we're butt hurt about having to play bama every year?

I don't remember anyone suggesting this when we were beating them every year a decade or so ago.

Maybe we should stop keeping score and hand out ribbons at the end of the season to protect our fragile psyches.
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UT has beaten Alabama regularly for one decade of it's entire existence and the last time I checked not having a permanent cross over rivalry for every team isn't a difficult concept to change. Alabama is 96-67 against its two biggest rivalries UT/Auburn all time. If I were Bama I would want us on their schedule as well, unless you were alive to witness General Neyland because are 31-15 against UT since 1970. Let's just add in Ohio State, Michigan, and Oklahoma every year then complain when we never make it to Atlanta. We ain't scared. If I were UGA and UF I would keep it the same way too lol
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, I think his argument is off on this. Even though UF and UGA still usually beat 1 west team per year, the fact that we play Bama every year has put us behind. Right now, Bama is an automatic loss for us, and then it's the luck of the draw with the other west team. Consistently, we have drawn a very tough game for the other west team.

If Auburn and LSU had been as tough as Bama the last 8 years, then I might agree. But it's not as simple of an argument that he is making it out to be.

Does that mean I want to quit? Hell no, that was just a dumb response. But it is factual. People on this side, though, don't care about facts.
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Poor old TN. Always have to play bama. Always have to play fl early. Always have tough ooc, always have the two toughest draws from the west.

What a shame. bless their hearts.
 
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landscapingvol said:
UT has beaten Alabama regularly for one decade of it's entire existence and the last time I checked not having a permanent cross over rivalry for every team isn't a difficult concept to change. Alabama is 96-67 against its two biggest rivalries UT/Auburn all time. If I were Bama I would want us on their schedule as well, unless you were alive to witness General Neyland because are 31-15 against UT since 1970. Let's just add in Ohio State, Michigan, and Oklahoma every year then complain when we never make it to Atlanta. We ain't scared. If I were UGA and UF I would keep it the same way too lol
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It's always s someone else's fault. Sec schedule makers must be bama, fl, and ga alum.

Just trying to keep us down.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Poor old TN. Always have to play bama. Always have to play fl early. Always have tough ooc, always have the two toughest draws from the west.

What a shame. bless their hearts.
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You can choose to respond that way, but my response, in no way, suggested that. The facts are that its statistically more difficult to beat both Bama and a random second team than any other combination of teams. Don't know what else to say.

I didn't explain my feelings about it because it doesn't matter what I think.
 
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It's not like Georgia and Florida get chopped liver for their west opponent.

Since 2000 (this century):

UT is 2-6 vs. LSU, and 0-6 vs. Auburn.


So, we're getting handled by everybody, not just Alabama.
 
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jakez4ut said:
And how many times has fl and ga gone undefeated again against their west opponents? 1 time in the last 16 games.

How many times have the gone 0fer against them? Once ,Twice?

So you tell me... bigger sin losing to bama.... or losing to bama and....

Y'all have built this in to something it's just not.

Coulda won the east the last two years with the loss to bama.
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Again, injuries play a major factor in winning a football game. Are you suggesting we would not have beaten SC or Vandy if hadn't been down to our reserves nearly everywhere on the field? You can't just throw out a blanket statement of other teams playing opponents from the West when those opponents aren't Alabama. Look what Alabama did to UF the last two years in Atlanta, you don't think that wears on a team to get physically pounded like that in the middle of a season? Not with four extra weeks to prepare for a bowl game and mentally recover like UF has had the luxury the last few seasons. The last two times UF played Alabama during the regular season they went 1-5 during their next three games both seasons. The last time UGA played Bama during the regular season they too lost 2 of their next 3 conference games.
 
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Doberman said:
It's not like Georgia and Florida get chopped liver for their west opponent.

Since 2000 (this century):

UT is 2-6 vs. LSU, and 0-6 vs. Auburn.


So, we're getting handled by everybody, not just Alabama.
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That is true but UT hasn't played an opponent from the West with fewer than 8 wins since 2008, during that same span UGA/UF have played a combined total of 9 opponents with fewer than 8 wins and 4 of them had fewer than 5 wins. I am not making excuses it is just much deeper than coaching.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Again, injuries play a major factor in winning a football game. Are you suggesting we would not have beaten SC or Vandy if hadn't been down to our reserves nearly everywhere on the field? You can't just throw out a blanket statement of other teams playing opponents from the West when those opponents aren't Alabama. Look what Alabama did to UF the last two years in Atlanta, you don't think that wears on a team to get physically pounded like that in the middle of a season? Not with four extra weeks to prepare for a bowl game and mentally recover like UF has had the luxury the last few seasons. The last two times UF played Alabama during the regular season they went 1-5 during their next three games both seasons. The last time UGA played Bama during the regular season they too lost 2 of their next 3 conference games.
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Pretty sure that statement is demonstrably false given who played against USCe, and who played against Vandy.
 
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Arguably our 3-4 best defensive players were either out or severely limited in Tuttle, McKenzie, Sutton, Maybin and Kirkland but you don't think that had an impact? Not to mention missing our best player on offense, Kamara, outside of Dobbs, O'Brian being dismissed, and Hurd's bs? At Vanderbilt UT was without or severely limited with the following players: Evan Berry, Hurd, TK jr., Kirkland, McKenzie, Tuttle, Sapp, O'Brian, Maybin, Hall, Jones, Wiesman, and Dobbs played injured as well. I am by no means making excuses but those are legitimate concerns
 
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landscapingvol said:
Arguably our 3-4 best defensive players were either out or severely limited in Tuttle, McKenzie, Sutton, Maybin and Kirkland but you don't think that had an impact? Not to mention missing our best player on offense, Kamara, outside of Dobbs, O'Brian being dismissed, and Hurd's bs? At Vanderbilt UT was without or severely limited with the following players: Evan Berry, Hurd, TK jr., Kirkland, McKenzie, Tuttle, Sapp, O'Brian, Maybin, Hall, Jones, Wiesman, and Dobbs played injured as well. I am by no means making excuses but those are legitimate concerns
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Next man up. The reason why we lost those two games was because the back ups weren't developed. Florida also lost a lot of guys and still beat LSU.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Again, injuries play a major factor in winning a football game. Are you suggesting we would not have beaten SC or Vandy if hadn't been down to our reserves nearly everywhere on the field? You can't just throw out a blanket statement of other teams playing opponents from the West when those opponents aren't Alabama. Look what Alabama did to UF the last two years in Atlanta, you don't think that wears on a team to get physically pounded like that in the middle of a season? Not with four extra weeks to prepare for a bowl game and mentally recover like UF has had the luxury the last few seasons. The last two times UF played Alabama during the regular season they went 1-5 during their next three games both seasons. The last time UGA played Bama during the regular season they too lost 2 of their next 3 conference games.
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I'm suggesting that this argument is ridiculous, and that it reeks of excuse making.
 
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