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Kiffin certainly not the first coach to use sex in recruiting. He was just the first one so stupid to get involved in it.
 
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VolSteve said:
I have now read this entire thread and feel like beating my head on a brick wall. To start with just retiring after 33 years in the criminal justice system I despise those guilty of rape as much or more than anyone. I would as one poster said support castration and worse IF GUILTY. My problem with every one of your posts is that with only sketchy allegations from one side you not only convicted and condemned an unknown football player, the coach and every poster in this thread who tried to point out that all we have is one side of an allegation as represented by a reporter with some history of bias. You don't know this girl was raped but have convicted UT and the football player. Your quoted response above illustrates all your posts as I don't recall one poster referring to the alleged victim as a slut. What I have read is a lot of people asking rreasonable questions. I have known of many cases of false allegations being made so while I wish the worst for guilty parties I also realize from my long experience in the field that there is a reason our founders established a system of due process. Too often a young lady gives consent only to make false allegations later if her boyfriend found out or maybe it was an interracial event and she realized family or friends would give her hell if it got out. Ever known that to occur? I have. Those things could explain why she didn't go to the police. There is also a level of inebriation which is not at the level of "unable to give consent" but where inhibitions are lowered to the point they can consent to something or someone they might regret the next day. Rape is a horrible act but you sir need to stop attacking everyone not agreeing to burn the unknown player at the stake just because an allegation was made. Butch has shown he will act decisively. Thankfully everyone is not as quick to convict as you are without actual evidence. And with the current level of federal scrutiny and media scrutiny it is highly unlikely UT put themselves at risk to protect a ball player.
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Former Assistant District Attorney here and I couldn't agree more with each point in your post.
 
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smokey0625 said:
I'm not complaining. Just so you know, girl could have lied. I hate when we assume guilt. Witnesses say that her story didn't add up. Doesn't seem like guilty evidence to me. Move on, nothing to see here.
Lastly, one common denominator in all of this crap is alcohol. For the love of pete, parents inform children that bad stuff does happen when you drink. Not every drinking sich results in a bud light commercial.
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There's a reason there is a drinking age.
 
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vollygirl said:
There's a reason there is a drinking age.
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Yes and I love that we pass right over that issue. I'm sorry but we reminisce about the good ole days of college drinking and quickly forget the crap that can happen from too much consumption. With this heightened alertness we are living in about sexual assault/ rape, just wish parents would look at some of the common denominators here like alcohol. There are ways of preventing rape and I will be teaching my daughter safety measures of how to avoid it. One way will be monitoring her alcohol consumption.
I will end with this. I'm not saying the player is guilty. The two witnesses did not corroborate her story, therefore it's hard to believe her if two people contradict her statement.
 
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Reading through some of this garbage, I've come to this conclusion: Anytime a rape is reported to UTPD, the KPD should immediately be called in. The alleged victim should be immediately taken to the hospital to have a rape kit run and an investigation begun. The sooner they get started, the better.

I'm assuming UT still has Freshmen Orientation. Rape awareness classes should be mandatory for all incoming freshmen, men and women. It should be stressed that if you feel you have been violated in any way, you should report it immediately. Whether the person you are accusing is Joe Schmo, the star QB, or a tenured professor, if you want justice, report it immediately. The longer you wait, the more the evidence deteriorates, the less likely you are to find justice. It's hard for police to do their job off of she said/he said testimony. Physical evidence helps more than anything else in a case.

Apparently, since no one seems to want to take responsibility for their own actions anymore, alcohol awareness classes need to be mandatory as well. I'm tired of hearing this "they're young kids, off on their own, having fun" BS. Rape isn't fun. Women especially need to be mentored about putting themselves in high risk situations. No, they shouldn't have to hide themselves away, but they also don't need to drink themselves into states of becoming easy prey. It may be unfortunate, but in the world we live in, women need to be taught to protect themselves. If you want to drink yourself stupid, do it where you're only surrounded by other women, otherwise, learn your limits and show some self control. Stop drinking so much you can't even remember if you said yes or not.

The men need to be taught to be respectful of their female counterparts. Drinking and sex isn't going to go away, but it should be stressed that men show self control and not take advantage of vulnerable women. That was a lesson my parents taught me early in life, but apparently, many parents have stopped teaching that lesson, so now it's up to the university to step in and at least attempt to teach the lesson. If it saves one girl from the trauma of rape, it's worth it. And like I said with women, if you want to drink yourself stupid, do it with your friends. Drink responsibly in the presence of females.

Hopefully he has already done so, but if he hasn't, Butch needs to address the team about this specifically. He needs to teach these young men to avoid these situations. Act responsibly and represent your team with honor, on and off the field.

We can sit and discuss cases like this all day long, but judgement should always be reserved. Accusations of rape should be investigated thoroughly. Victims of rape are scarred for life. On the opposite side, victims of false rape allegations have been burdened with always carrying that stigma with them. Many forget allegation does not equal guilt. None of us know the truth of the case, so we shouldn't pretend that we do.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I would take note of the fact that we have an accuser who would rather tell her story to the media than to the police whether she was in Tallahassee or Knoxville...and there are no similarities to what Kiffin and Reaves were doing to rape. I suppose you could call it prostitution but Lacey Pearl was certainly a willing participant in whatever was going on as her facebook post "I recruit champions. Thank me later!" suggests.
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I didn't bring up Kiffin.
 
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crusse10 said:
wut
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The items I bolded are what you suggested as reasons she didn't report it to the Police. I was pointing out that the Police wouldn't have been any worse as the bolded items occurred anyway. The blue font comment was giving you the benefit of doubt you were being sarcastic.
 
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Busted for underage drinking, 24hrs in lock up and a 500.00 fine. You want to slow it down, it has to hurt.

Edit,
Tack on about 60hrs community service.

Ok, now I'm good.
 
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Y'all act like this happened a week ago and shes writing a damn tell-all. The incident occurred 6 months ago and, from her vantage point, she was raped and the authorities put in place to handle such cases didn't do their jobs properly.

The reason none of you have heard any of this is because, for one reason or another, she didn't want to press changes. The immediate assumption for that is wanting the ordeal to be over quickly and that she was simply looking to get him away from her, but not trying to ruin his future.
 
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crusse10 said:
Y'all act like this happened a week ago and shes writing a damn tell-all. The incident occurred 6 months ago and, from her vantage point, she was raped and the authorities put in place to handle such cases didn't do their jobs properly.

The reason none of you have heard any of this is because, for one reason or another, she didn't want to press changes. The immediate assumption for that is wanting the ordeal to be over quickly and that she was simply looking to get him away from her, but not trying to ruin his future.
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I've missed something. "get him way from her" but she cares about his future? That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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VolSteve said:
I have now read this entire thread and feel like beating my head on a brick wall. To start with just retiring after 33 years in the criminal justice system I despise those guilty of rape as much or more than anyone. I would as one poster said support castration and worse IF GUILTY. My problem with every one of your posts is that with only sketchy allegations from one side you not only convicted and condemned an unknown football player, the coach and every poster in this thread who tried to point out that all we have is one side of an allegation as represented by a reporter with some history of bias. You don't know this girl was raped but have convicted UT and the football player. Your quoted response above illustrates all your posts as I don't recall one poster referring to the alleged victim as a slut. What I have read is a lot of people asking rreasonable questions. I have known of many cases of false allegations being made so while I wish the worst for guilty parties I also realize from my long experience in the field that there is a reason our founders established a system of due process. Too often a young lady gives consent only to make false allegations later if her boyfriend found out or maybe it was an interracial event and she realized family or friends would give her hell if it got out. Ever known that to occur? I have. Those things could explain why she didn't go to the police. There is also a level of inebriation which is not at the level of "unable to give consent" but where inhibitions are lowered to the point they can consent to something or someone they might regret the next day. Rape is a horrible act but you sir need to stop attacking everyone not agreeing to burn the unknown player at the stake just because an allegation was made. Butch has shown he will act decisively. Thankfully everyone is not as quick to convict as you are without actual evidence. And with the current level of federal scrutiny and media scrutiny it is highly unlikely UT put themselves at risk to protect a ball player.
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Roughly what percentage of the rape allegations that you've seen in your 33 years were made up?
 
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This is just a report from a rag that was once a great newspaper. Hard facts are needed here. Too many have apparently been soaking up Fox "News" to understand the difference between reality and wildly, unsupported speculation driven by bias.
 
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vollygirl said:
I've missed something. "get him way from her" but she cares about his future? That makes no sense whatsoever.
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Going through the school would result in him being removed from UT. She basically said that all she wanted was him gone.
 
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I honestly don't know what some people wanted The Tennessean to do. What more information could they have included that would make it "better"? Surely no one wants the names of either party printed, right? So other than that, the article contained evidence gathered from the University that tends to corroborate the story of the player (his statements, two witness saying she wasn't intoxicated). It gave her an opportunity to tell her side. Talked to her dad, and named sources and gave direct quotes from UT that gave their explanation and findings. What's missing from the article?

The reason some on here are pissed is because the University didn't come off looking great, and that's because frankly, they didn't handle it great. There very well may be a valid reason for why UT deviated from their normal policy. But what is it? Why couldn't UT just answer that question, to either the family or the reporter? Meaning no disrespect to the girl, her family, or the player- that's why this story is going to have legs. That the admin felt like there was a particular element in this case that warranted someone else handling it, and then didn't want to disclose the reasoning behind that decision. Hell, why not just say it was a staffing problem or calendar issue or whatever. If you are a state school, you can't just not disclose something like that and not expect there to be a lot of follow up questions.
 
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EZE said:
News bulletin. College kids don't go to parties to play tiddlywinks. They drink. And sometimes irresponsibly. It doesn't justify rape.
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Don't twist my words. I NEVER once suggested drinking justifies rape or any crime. Read and understand what was posted before you fire back.
 
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vollygirl said:
That makes no sense to me.
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Months ago I read somewhere that the process within the school is much less intensive for the victim. There isn't as much poking and prodding and start-to-finish is a much shorter timeline. From the sound of it, she just wanted everything finished and him out of her life. It doesn't seem like she cared that he was in prison as long as he wasn't affecting her life anymore.
 
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volgrad500 said:
I honestly don't know what some people wanted The Tennessean to do. What more information could they have included that would make it "better"? Surely no one wants the names of either party printed, right? So other than that, the article contained evidence gathered from the University that tends to corroborate the story of the player (his statements, two witness saying she wasn't intoxicated). It gave her an opportunity to tell her side. Talked to her dad, and named sources and gave direct quotes from UT that gave their explanation and findings. What's missing from the article?

The reason some on here are pissed is because the University didn't come off looking great, and that's because frankly, they didn't handle it great. There very well may be a valid reason for why UT deviated from their normal policy. But what is it? Why couldn't UT just answer that question, to either the family or the reporter? Meaning no disrespect to the girl, her family, or the player- that's why this story is going to have legs. That the admin felt like there was a particular element in this case that warranted someone else handling it, and then didn't want to disclose the reasoning behind that decision. Hell, why not just say it was a staffing problem or calendar issue or whatever. If you are a state school, you can't just not disclose something like that and not expect there to be a lot of follow up questions.
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Tennessean did the "Ready, fire, aim" method. No way could the University disclose much of anything. They are obligated to protect the girl and young mans privacy. If your a parent, you'll learn. The school will tell you up front they can't even share information about grades, health or legal action of the student with you even though you pay the bill. They sure as hell can't the newspaper.
 
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crusse10 said:
Months ago I read somewhere that the process within the school is much less intensive for the victim. There isn't as much poking and prodding and start-to-finish is a much shorter timeline. From the sound of it, she just wanted everything finished and him out of her life. It doesn't seem like she cared that he was in prison as long as he wasn't affecting her life anymore.
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"Him" being kicked out of school doesn't keep him out of her life. Him getting kicked out of school doesn't finish anything. Being kicked out of school isn't like an order of protection.

Sorry. As a woman, if I had been raped the last thing I would think of is getting the rapist fired from him job at the company I worked for. This makes zero sense to me. If I was raped, I wouldn't give a damn what the school did, I'd be going to the police.
 
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wmcovol said:
Tennessean did the "Ready, fire, aim" method. No way could the University disclose much of anything. They are obligated to protect the girl and young mans privacy. If your a parent, you'll learn. The school will tell you up front they can't even share information about grades, health or legal action of the student with you even though you pay the bill. They sure as hell can't the newspaper.
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and if every single thing in there is factually accurate?
 
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vollygirl said:
"Him" being kicked out of school doesn't keep him out of her life. Him getting kicked out of school doesn't finish anything. Being kicked out of school isn't like an order of protection.

Sorry. As a woman, if I had been raped the last thing I would think of is getting the rapist fired from him job at the company I worked for. This makes zero sense to me. If I was raped, I wouldn't give a damn what the school did, I'd be going to the police.
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Good for you, now if you'd like to go coach all the girls from the first semester who were sexually assaulted who refused to press charges, maybe they'll change their minds. As it was, only one report sent to the students of sexual assault resulted in the victim pressing charges.

The fact of the matter is that this girl isn't you and what she decided 2 days after she says she was raped was to talk to her RA in her dorm. The RA surely discussed the two options with her, police or through the University. She chose the latter. It's as simple as that.
 
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y'all keep talking about her drinking and that she shouldn't have done it at 19, but if she waited until she was 21 and drank the same way, she would have reacted to it the same way. That's the point of hunch punch.
 
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